TRC: Pumas v All Blacks
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The brains trust seems determined to win the RWC by picking team lists via a game of blind darts, and with no particular plan to counter opponents who get up in our face.
Fifita is probably locked in for Japan now...
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@Donsteppa #trusttheprocess
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Well I enjoyed that, first game of the year missing a number of stars against an Argie side who are no longer pushovers at home, it was always going to be close.
Bit rusty in execution but overall I think we did reasonably well. BB was great as too Savea and Retallick. Scrum held up well. Good to see Coles and Cane back. Jordie had a few errors but definitely worth persevering with for his boot and potential with his height. Newbies weren't over awed and gained some valuable close test match experience. Thought Gardner controlled the game beautifully, great communication with his assistants and let the game flow without missing much.
We'll be a lot better next game, Puma's are going to rue this missed opportunity for a long time, especially Sanchez missing that last penalty.
@Rembrandt said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
Well I enjoyed that, first game of the year missing a number of stars against an Argie side who are no longer pushovers at home, it was always going to be close.
Bit rusty in execution but overall I think we did reasonably well. BB was great as too Savea and Retallick. Scrum held up well. Good to see Coles and Cane back. Jordie had a few errors but definitely worth persevering with for his boot and potential with his height. Newbies weren't over awed and gained some valuable close test match experience. Thought Gardner controlled the game beautifully, great communication with his assistants and let the game flow without missing much.
We'll be a lot better next game, Puma's are going to rue this missed opportunity for a long time, especially Sanchez missing that last penalty.
Is this one giant Poe? "did reasonably well"? "a few errors"? "potential with his height"?
What we saw was dreck -- a bad game plan, a lot of stupid penalties when not even under pressure, dropped ball, passes to no-one, some dodgy lineouts.
No, the Pumas haven't got better. You have to go back to 2006 to find the last time they were within a score of winning the game, and in our last few games against them we have won by about 20 points. We were one missed tackle in the corner away from losing that game.
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@Hooroo said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Hooroo said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@rotated said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
I don't get the love for Cane here. Did nobody see him drop it cold in that second half? Most players who do that get crucified here. He's probably short of a gallop, but at the moment Ardie is easily our best seven.
Probably given his 60 odd test record of quality play you aren't going to crucify a guy for dropping one ball in his first test back from massive back surgery? Just to see him out there not looking massively off the pace is a huge win IMO.
Ah no, I'm not, but that's standard here for some player. But fark me a 60 odd test AB and captain should not be dropping those. That was schoolboy stuff and was massive opportunity missed.
I have no idea how Ritchie McCaw lasted so long in the ABs. Must have been teachers pet or summink
That guy used to drop them cold too.
Bloody favourites.
After 60 tests and as captain? I don't think so. You seem to have this image of McCaw circa 2003 and can't get it out of your brain.
No. No I don’t. He also dropped the ball in his prime. Sometimes knocked it on. I’ve also seen Brodie drop it stone cold too. Maybe we should retrospectively lambast him for a one off event
Yes, yes you do. Iirc you also had some bizzarre comment about his attacking skills a while back. He did not drop pill like that as captain.
Are we talking Brodie in this game? He certainly deserves criticism for his tits for hands against Ireland
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
Yes, yes you do. Iirc you also had some bizzarre comment about his attacking skills a while back. He did not drop pill like that as captain.
He certainly did. At one stage it seemed more common for him to drop it cold than catch it. As captain.
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Ardie should be the starting 7.
It should be his jersey to lose and Cane's to win - not the other way round.
He was the incumbent (I thought Hansen said the incumbent gets to keep the jersey??) and the best Kiwi player in Super rugby this year.
His rival broke his neck last year, hasn't played nearly as well this year, takes his jersey and is made Captain!
And fuck Jordie Barrett.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
Yes, yes you do. Iirc you also had some bizzarre comment about his attacking skills a while back. He did not drop pill like that as captain.
He certainly did. At one stage it seemed more common for him to drop it cold than catch it. As captain.
@antipodean said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
Yes, yes you do. Iirc you also had some bizzarre comment about his attacking skills a while back. He did not drop pill like that as captain.
He certainly did. At one stage it seemed more common for him to drop it cold than catch it. As captain.
Nonsense. Hyperbole much? You're telling me it was common for him to drop the pill cold when Carter made a break and passed it to him in the clear?
But regardless, whatever McCaw may or may not have done doesn't excuse errors committed by Cane in this game.
For the record I think Canes progressing well and at a higher level than I thought he'd be at this stage. It's been an impressive comeback. But Ardie is in the form of his life and is definitely the better 7. So what to do? Can Cane do the job at 6. Nobody else has exactly staked a claim to that position.
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@antipodean said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
Yes, yes you do. Iirc you also had some bizzarre comment about his attacking skills a while back. He did not drop pill like that as captain.
He certainly did. At one stage it seemed more common for him to drop it cold than catch it. As captain.
Nonsense. Hyperbole much? You're telling me it was common for him to drop the pill cold when Carter made a break and passed it to him in the clear?
But regardless, whatever McCaw may or may not have done doesn't excuse errors committed by Cane in this game.
For the record I think Canes progressing well and at a higher level than I thought he'd be at this stage. It's been an impressive comeback. But Ardie is in the form of his life and is definitely the better 7. So what to do? Can Cane do the job at 6. Nobody else has exactly staked a claim to that position.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel TBH duck what numbers they wear, cane, ardie, and read is our best lose trio. They can chop and change positions as needed
@Machpants And Todd is still there, too, if needed.
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@antipodean said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
Yes, yes you do. Iirc you also had some bizzarre comment about his attacking skills a while back. He did not drop pill like that as captain.
He certainly did. At one stage it seemed more common for him to drop it cold than catch it. As captain.
Nonsense. Hyperbole much? You're telling me it was common for him to drop the pill cold when Carter made a break and passed it to him in the clear?
But regardless, whatever McCaw may or may not have done doesn't excuse errors committed by Cane in this game.
For the record I think Canes progressing well and at a higher level than I thought he'd be at this stage. It's been an impressive comeback. But Ardie is in the form of his life and is definitely the better 7. So what to do? Can Cane do the job at 6. Nobody else has exactly staked a claim to that position.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@antipodean said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
Yes, yes you do. Iirc you also had some bizzarre comment about his attacking skills a while back. He did not drop pill like that as captain.
He certainly did. At one stage it seemed more common for him to drop it cold than catch it. As captain.
Nonsense. Hyperbole much? You're telling me it was common for him to drop the pill cold when Carter made a break and passed it to him in the clear?
Congratulations on recognising exaggeration for dramatic effect to make the point. I didn't realise the argument was now about whether the exact same circumstances existed. My nieces argue like that. Their excuse is they're in primary school.
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@antipodean said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
Yes, yes you do. Iirc you also had some bizzarre comment about his attacking skills a while back. He did not drop pill like that as captain.
He certainly did. At one stage it seemed more common for him to drop it cold than catch it. As captain.
Nonsense. Hyperbole much? You're telling me it was common for him to drop the pill cold when Carter made a break and passed it to him in the clear?
But regardless, whatever McCaw may or may not have done doesn't excuse errors committed by Cane in this game.
For the record I think Canes progressing well and at a higher level than I thought he'd be at this stage. It's been an impressive comeback. But Ardie is in the form of his life and is definitely the better 7. So what to do? Can Cane do the job at 6. Nobody else has exactly staked a claim to that position.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@antipodean said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
Yes, yes you do. Iirc you also had some bizzarre comment about his attacking skills a while back. He did not drop pill like that as captain.
He certainly did. At one stage it seemed more common for him to drop it cold than catch it. As captain.
Nonsense. Hyperbole much? You're telling me it was common for him to drop the pill cold when Carter made a break and passed it to him in the clear?
But regardless, whatever McCaw may or may not have done doesn't excuse errors committed by Cane in this game.
For the record I think Canes progressing well and at a higher level than I thought he'd be at this stage. It's been an impressive comeback. But Ardie is in the form of his life and is definitely the better 7. So what to do? Can Cane do the job at 6. Nobody else has exactly staked a claim to that position.
I think they need to find a way to give ardie as much game time as possible, he is in irresistible form , probably the most dynamic forward in world rugby right now.
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If this coaching team didn't have a bit in the bank I might be pretty brassed off at this team's tactics and performances in their last 4 tests.
I'd be inclined to wonder if hoping that passing and catching at speed while being 4 inches from a defender's face, is indeed the best way to win test rugby against England, Ireland and South Africa.
I'd wonder about fecking kick passes to the wing from turnover ball.
Lucky it's easy to forget the last 4 games in favour of remembering the games 4 years ago...
Not all that bloody impressed if I'm honest
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Anyone surprised with how many times they used Jacobsen in the lineout. I wonder if there was a direction from Shag to use him to see how he went, and he seemed to go fine to me. The man can tackle and he jumps in the lineout, I wonder if its worth giving him more time at 6.
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Anyone surprised with how many times they used Jacobsen in the lineout. I wonder if there was a direction from Shag to use him to see how he went, and he seemed to go fine to me. The man can tackle and he jumps in the lineout, I wonder if its worth giving him more time at 6.
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If this coaching team didn't have a bit in the bank I might be pretty brassed off at this team's tactics and performances in their last 4 tests.
I'd be inclined to wonder if hoping that passing and catching at speed while being 4 inches from a defender's face, is indeed the best way to win test rugby against England, Ireland and South Africa.
I'd wonder about fecking kick passes to the wing from turnover ball.
Lucky it's easy to forget the last 4 games in favour of remembering the games 4 years ago...
Not all that bloody impressed if I'm honest
@Siam ironically the All Blacks never look good when old mate Wayne Smith isn’t around to add the polish.
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Anyone surprised with how many times they used Jacobsen in the lineout. I wonder if there was a direction from Shag to use him to see how he went, and he seemed to go fine to me. The man can tackle and he jumps in the lineout, I wonder if its worth giving him more time at 6.
@chimoaus Tackle stats from SANZAAR website.
Fifita - 1 tackle made/1 missed.
Jacobson -9 tackles made/0 missed.
Top tacklers were -
Laumape -12/0
Savea- 12/0
Cane- 11/3
Ofa -11/1
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Surely Fifita can now be classified as a failed experiment? He’s too loose, can’t tackle, has bad hands and gives away stupid penalties. Also, what’s happened to Frizell? He was the form 6, I thought. Jacobsen went well, though. Clearly a better option than Fifita.
You wonder what Jordie would have to do to play himself out of the squad. Best back three options are Rieko, BFA, Bridge/Ennor. I guess they need Jordie’s boot but he needs to learn to catch it before he can kick it .
Who do people think will start the Wellington test?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@antipodean said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
Yes, yes you do. Iirc you also had some bizzarre comment about his attacking skills a while back. He did not drop pill like that as captain.
He certainly did. At one stage it seemed more common for him to drop it cold than catch it. As captain.
Nonsense. Hyperbole much? You're telling me it was common for him to drop the pill cold when Carter made a break and passed it to him in the clear?
Congratulations on recognising exaggeration for dramatic effect to make the point. I didn't realise the argument was now about whether the exact same circumstances existed. My nieces argue like that. Their excuse is they're in primary school.
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Surely Fifita can now be classified as a failed experiment? He’s too loose, can’t tackle, has bad hands and gives away stupid penalties. Also, what’s happened to Frizell? He was the form 6, I thought. Jacobsen went well, though. Clearly a better option than Fifita.
You wonder what Jordie would have to do to play himself out of the squad. Best back three options are Rieko, BFA, Bridge/Ennor. I guess they need Jordie’s boot but he needs to learn to catch it before he can kick it .
Who do people think will start the Wellington test?
@MrDenmore said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
Surely Fifita can now be classified as a failed experiment? He’s too loose, can’t tackle, has bad hands and gives away stupid penalties. Also, what’s happened to Frizell? He was the form 6, I thought. Jacobsen went well, though. Clearly a better option than Fifita.
You wonder what Jordie would have to do to play himself out of the squad. Best back three options are Rieko, BFA, Bridge/Ennor. I guess they need Jordie’s boot but he needs to learn to catch it before he can kick it .
Who do people think will start the Wellington test?
Frizell wasn't in the travelling squad to Argentina because of a knee injury. I don't think it was serious, so he might be in consideration for the next test.
IMO, they should have selected David Havili instead of Jordie. Havili had a great SR season and also has a great boot. It's weird that the coaches explicitly recognised that when the squad was named, but preferred Jordie because he's "more versatile" (because he can also play on the wing ... well, he proved that, didnt he?).
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Surely Fifita can now be classified as a failed experiment? He’s too loose, can’t tackle, has bad hands and gives away stupid penalties. Also, what’s happened to Frizell? He was the form 6, I thought. Jacobsen went well, though. Clearly a better option than Fifita.
You wonder what Jordie would have to do to play himself out of the squad. Best back three options are Rieko, BFA, Bridge/Ennor. I guess they need Jordie’s boot but he needs to learn to catch it before he can kick it .
Who do people think will start the Wellington test?
@MrDenmore I’m thinking the 23 will look like this: 1. Moody 2. Coles 3. Franks 4. Rettalick 5. Whitelock 6. Cane 7. Savea 8. Read 9. Smith 10. Barrett 11. Ioane 12. Crotty 13. Goodhue 14. Bridge 15. Smith Reserves: 16. Taylor 17. Tu’ungafasi 18. Ta’avao 19. Barrett 20. Jacobsen 21. Perenara 22. Mo’unga 23. Leinert-Brown
