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taniwharugby

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I worked in a commercial Interior company many years back
 
The head male designer was a little outrageous but did outstanding work. He knew what the companies wanted. So he would wear a certain type of clothes or choose a certain design for his house but knew that what he would do for himself was not appropriate for everyone
 
The office we worked in (designed by this designer) was easily the best laid out and best colour schemes by miles that I have worked in. Even those that didn't like him agreed that he was top class. Many (or most that I have worked in) office color schemes are boring or clash.
 
This is the sort of person that I'm referring to. But with an interest in flags.
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ABout 17 or so years back, I went out with a girl who was, and by all accounts still is a very good graphic designer, no way in hell would I want her to be doing anything representative of me or the rest of NZ!

Smudge

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Its nothing to do with Keys except that he's badly f++ked this process up. By selecting a very poor committee
 
But the debate should be about a good flag for NZ
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It's certainly nothing to do with Keys. He was just minding his own business playing church organs across Europe and now you've dragged him into this flag debate.
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Keys_(organist)'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Keys_(organist)</a>

Winger

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It's certainly nothing to do with Keys. He was just minding his own business playing church organs across Europe and now you've dragged him into this flag debate.
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Keys_(organist)'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Keys_(organist)</a>
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Whats your preference Smudge

Wreck Diver

change my countries flag and it then looks like I don't have a country any more. this is just a pile of complete sh*t.

Winger

This is from PR. Agree 100%
 
The top 4 show just how clueless this panel was
 
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Winger

And here's my choice of a fern
 
<img src="http://www.silverfernflag.org/uploads/1/0/2/2/10222610/1125445_orig.png" alt="1125445_orig.png">

Winger

My third selection
 
<img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Tino_rangatiratanga_flag_on_Harbour_Bridge.jpg/375px-Tino_rangatiratanga_flag_on_Harbour_Bridge.jpg" alt="375px-Tino_rangatiratanga_flag_on_Harbou">

Rancid Schnitzel

jegga

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This is from PR. Agree 100%
 
The top 4 show just how clueless this panel was
 
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None of those flags actually exist, they are just something that was pulled out of someones arse to prove a tenuous point . He was probably a graphic designer though so that makes it ok.

Winger

And the 4th selection
 
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jegga

You and reality appear to have parted company.

hydro11

Winger if you were picking 4 flags you would at least have to pick the most popular flag with the public.

Rembrandt

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This is from PR. Agree 100%
 
The top 4 show just how clueless this panel was
 
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I agree with the sentiment..however I quite like that redesigned French flag!
Not a Peaker though, doesn't resonate with me at all

Winger

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Winger if you were picking 4 flags you would at least have to pick the most popular flag with the public.
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But they didn't. From what I understand it was a different blue and black + SC fern flag
 
But that would have been my fourth pick (my 4th above was of course not being serious)
 
But then another three that work as flags, are different (so only 1 fern of the 4 not three FFS) and not just crowd favourites.
 
Then market each one. Including what it means plus a number of photos supporting the flag. As is being done with the Red Peak flag. I would have allowed a good budget and a minimum of 3 months for the 4 team to market their flags. And fly the 4 flags in many different locations around NZ.
 
And the selected 4 flags should also have been available to buy straight away at a reduced price.

red terror

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I don't think it will be loved straight off. But its been pointed out earlier that the Canadian flag by example was not universally liked, in fact there were many that hated it. Yet it is iconic now, and loved
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It's beloved in Canada because for over a century the maple leaf has always been the symbol of Canada, and was recognized the world over.
 
The "red peak" flag by comparison makes it look like Kiwis are heavily-heavily into triangles.

Winger

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It's beloved in Canada because for over a century the maple leaf has always been the symbol of Canada, and was recognized the world over.
 
The "red peak" flag by comparison makes it look like Kiwis are heavily-heavily into triangles.
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The 3 fern flags in the final 4 are rubbish (they are almost embarrassingly bad that NZ could not do much better). I really don't think any have a hope of being selected as a new flag
 
And the red peak looks good
 
But I'm willing to leave it up to the public. Is John willing to accept the selections are not right. And to add one and make it 5. Or drop one of the ferns?

Hooroo

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Winger" data-cid="514056" data-time="1441614016">I worked in a commercial Interior company many years back 
The head male designer was a little outrageous but did outstanding work. He knew what the companies wanted. So he would wear a certain type of clothes or choose a certain design for his house but knew that what he would do for himself was not appropriate for everyone 
The office we worked in (designed by this designer) was easily the best laid out and best colour schemes by miles that I have worked in. Even those that didn't like him agreed that he was top class. Many (or most that I have worked in) office color schemes are boring or clash. 
This is the sort of person that I'm referring to. But with an interest in flags.</blockquote>
To me that is the equivalent of saying GJ Gardner should have designed the flag because they designed a nice house

jegga

This sums up the people like Manhire behind the red peak and their sad behaviour recently quite nicely, the part about the abs is true. I've seen leftards saying theres a rift in the team because McCaw is close to Key and Kaino and Mealamu are staunch labour men and Key commercialised the beehive allowing adidas to use it to promote their brand. Get a life ffs.
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/71791596/tiny-minority-has-its-say-far-too-late-in-flag-debate'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/71791596/tiny-minority-has-its-say-far-too-late-in-flag-debate</a>
 
Winger be sure to read this one and have a think about the company you're keeping 
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/71783746/a-purrfect-example-of-why-politics-and-sport-dont-mix'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/71783746/a-purrfect-example-of-why-politics-and-sport-dont-mix</a>

Hooroo

Personally, if designers designed a decent flag it would have been chosen. 
The fact that the selectors were rather diverse in their backgrounds is probably the best reason they were chosen. Most New Zealanders can identify with at least one of them.

taniwharugby

What about all those professional flag pickers that went to Flag Picking University to obtain their masters in Flag Pickingology, it is criminal none of them were selected on the panel!

The Silver Fern

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