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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="taniwharugby" data-cid="514358" data-time="1441700502">
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<p>this should please Winger...</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/71854321/flag-change-rules-might-allow-legal-hearing-on-red-peak-flag'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/71854321/flag-change-rules-might-allow-legal-hearing-on-red-peak-flag</a></p>
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<p>The need to start again</p>
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<p>The 4 flags should be</p>
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<p>-The Red Peak</p>
<p>-The tino rangatiratanga flag <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/71655482/why-the-tino-rangatiratanga-flag-should-be-our-national-choice'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/71655482/why-the-tino-rangatiratanga-flag-should-be-our-national-choice</a></p>
<p>-A studio designed black white and white or black or silver silver fern option (no other colors allowed)</p>
<p>-One other wildcard option</p>
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<p>Then 4 teams with a good budget would promote their options over 3-6 months</p>
<p>Then the 1st vote.</p>
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<p>This would work. The process so far would seen as just an essential starting point that produced an interest to move this debate forward</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="canefan" data-cid="514357" data-time="1441700390">
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<p>So we're right on track then</p>
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<p> Definitely. The interest is now there to take this process forward</p>
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<p>It could be great entertainment but only if Key can grasp this opportunity. And have a rethink</p>
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<p>Otherwise we will vote to stick with the current flag. The current selections have already been thoroughly discredited (and rightly so)</p> -
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<p>You are so far removed from what New Zealanders want it is getting a bit funny.</p>
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<p>This could be one of the wildcard options.</p>
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<p><img src="https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11822566_10153609934233069_8041332510743770096_n.jpg?oh=11dd5e765f68330b406af5b262dc8add&oe=566E24D3&gda=1450567606_5923090a9b3e8f2ef84ba954b641b252" alt="11822566_10153609934233069_8041332510743"></p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Hooroo" data-cid="514372" data-time="1441701930">
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<p>No they haven't. You're just listening to the loudest not the most popular. Everyone at my work seem to love one of the new fern flags with the red. Same with the majority of Facebook mates of whom at least half are ex military</p>
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<p>They have</p>
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<p>They are crap</p>
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<p>This one look much better</p>
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<p>Or change the yellow to the right blue and drop the southern cross</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Winger" data-cid="514377" data-time="1441702154">
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<p>This one look much better</p>
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<p>Or change the yellow to the right blue and drop the southern cross</p>
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<p><img src="https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11822566_10153609934233069_8041332510743770096_n.jpg?oh=11dd5e765f68330b406af5b262dc8add&oe=566E24D3&gda=1450567606_5923090a9b3e8f2ef84ba954b641b252" alt="11822566_10153609934233069_8041332510743"></p>
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<p>I'm sure that would poll highly south of the Bombay Hills.</p> -
Wingers like basil fawlty talking to a foreigner. If he just repeats the same message over and over,louder and louder he thinks we will "get it". <br><br>
Seriously winger you are perfectly entitled to your opinion and jeez we all know yr feelings but it is ok to have a contrary pov or even to be apathetic about the issue. <br><br>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Winger" data-cid="514364" data-time="1441701346">
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<p>The need to start again</p>
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<p>The 4 flags should be</p>
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<p>-The Red Peak</p>
<p>-The tino rangatiratanga flag <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/71655482/why-the-tino-rangatiratanga-flag-should-be-our-national-choice'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/71655482/why-the-tino-rangatiratanga-flag-should-be-our-national-choice</a></p>
<p>-A studio designed black white and white or black or silver silver fern option (no other colors allowed)</p>
<p>-One other wildcard option</p>
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<p>Then 4 teams with a good budget would promote their options over 3-6 months</p>
<p>Then the 1st vote.</p>
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<p>This would work. The process so far would seen as just an essential starting point that produced an interest to move this debate forward</p>
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<p>You make it sound like this is the perfect way of doing things to get the result, WINGER would want.</p>
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<p>Last time I checked, the debate WAS moving forward, it's just you have some bizaare ideas about why the process is flawed and some unicorn-type job that is required to pick a flag.</p> -
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<p>Wingers like basil fawlty talking to a foreigner. If he just repeats the same message over and over,louder and louder he thinks we will "get it".<br><br>
Seriously winger you are perfectly entitled to your opinion and jeez we all know yr feelings but it is ok to have a contrary pov or even to be apathetic about the issue.<br><br>
Hectoring just makes you look lame</p>
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<p>Do you think the 4 final flags are really the best NZ can do?</p> -
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<p>You make it sound like this is the perfect way of doing things to get the result, WINGER would want.</p>
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<p>Last time I checked, the debate WAS moving forward, it's just you have some bizaare ideas about why the process is flawed and some unicorn-type job that is required to pick a flag.</p>
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<p>I just want an alternative flag (its time to move on) that we can all be proud of. My process outlined above would achieve this</p>
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<p>The current process will not</p> -
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Why didn't y<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="dogmeat" data-cid="514380" data-time="1441702295"><p>
Wingers like basil fawlty talking to a foreigner. If he just repeats the same message over and over,louder and louder he thinks we will "get it". <br>
Seriously winger you are perfectly entitled to your opinion and jeez we all know yr feelings but it is ok to have a contrary pov or even to be apathetic about the issue. <br>
Hectoring just makes you look lame</p></blockquote>
My old man does that overseas, he's also deaf which makes it even more difficult for Johnny Foreigner to converse with him. When they were in Italy years ago they gave all their money to the most messed up looking begger outside their hotel . Apparently he looked horrified and tried to give it back which they took as some sort of humble gesture. As they drove away in the cab they saw a couple of other beggers had limped over and beat the shit out of him and stole the cash.<br><br>
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<p>Give it a rest Winger, I am sick of your spamming. You are just repeating the same thing again and again.</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Winger" data-cid="514387" data-time="1441702717">
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<p>I just want an alternative flag (its time to move on) that we can all be proud of. My process outlined above would achieve this</p>
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<p>The current process will not</p>
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<p>Your process might achieve what YOU want...then again, your professional flag pickers might still pick one you didnt want, what then of your process?</p> -
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<p>Your process might achieve what YOU want...then again, your professional flag pickers might still pick one you didnt want, what then of your process?</p>
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<p>Fine. Then I would vote for one of the other 3 options.</p>
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<p>And the wildcard might be another fern option for those that want a fern. But if they found the right world class designers as SA did I'm sure they could come up with a great design as 1 of the 4 options.</p> -
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<p>Fine. Then I would vote for one of the other 3 options.</p>
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<p>And the wildcard might be another fern option for those that want a fern. But if they found the right world class designers as SA did I'm sure they could come up with a great design as 1 of the 4 options.</p>
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<p>Thats just it. No one liked any of the designs, regardless of who the designers were. The final flag was a modified version of one of the flags submitted. I'm not surprised, change is difficult</p> -
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<p>I would love to the genesis for this 'Red Peak' campaign. I bet dollars to donuts it wasn't simply.. 'hey this is a cool flag'.... it would have been 'hey this is a cool flag, why did Key and his puppets not allow this is an option?'</p>
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<p>I think this answers your question?</p>
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<p>Basically it won a competition sponsored by Gareth Morgan.</p>
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<p>Oops, the red peak is similar to the flag that won Gareth Morgan's comp,not the same, my bad, so no idea of the genesis of the red peak specifically.<br><br><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://designmyflag.nz/'>http://designmyflag.nz/</a></p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11509184'>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11509184</a></p>
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<p>Top entries from the comp here</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://designmyflag.nz/morgan-foundation-flag-competition-judging-results/'>http://designmyflag.nz/morgan-foundation-flag-competition-judging-results/</a></p> -
<p>Interesting</p>
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<p>Nepal is doing well (7146 like 3711 thumbs down0</p>
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<p>The majority have more thumbs down than up. Including NZ, Aust, and Canada)</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/prettiest-flag'>http://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/prettiest-flag</a></p>
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<p>Nepals colors are black blue red and white</p>
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<p><img src="http://img2.rnkr-static.com/user_node_img/84/1661948/C100/nepal-all-countries-photo-u2.jpg" alt="nepal-all-countries-photo-u2.jpg"></p> -
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Nepal is doing well (7146 like 3711 thumbs down0<br>
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The majority have more thumbs down than up. Including NZ, Aust, and Canada)<br>
<br><a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/prettiest-flag">http://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/prettiest-flag</a><br>
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Nepals colors are black blue red and white<br>
<br><img src="http://img2.rnkr-static.com/user_node_img/84/1661948/C100/nepal-all-countries-photo-u2.jpg" alt="nepal-all-countries-photo-u2.jpg"></p></blockquote>
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That's heinous .
