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Kirwan

Yeah, I've gone in a complete circle now. If we are going to change it has to be black with a properly designed silver fern or else just keep the current flag.
 
I'm also incredibly bored of the whole debate. Really sick of being told the process costs too much money, it's out flag for christs sake - we should spend more than ten bucks on our national image.

No Quarter

I struggle to believe black with a silver fern isn't at the very least one of the 4 options to vote from. I thought that would be a given, and the tough job would be choosing 3 other viable alternatives.

Crucial

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Yeah, I've gone in a complete circle now. If we are going to change it has to be black with a properly designed silver fern or else just keep the current flag.
 
I'm also incredibly bored of the whole debate. Really sick of being told the process costs too much money, it's out flag for christs sake - we should spend more than ten bucks on our national image.
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Hasn't they designer of the ABs fern offered to do a re-design for the flag that wouldn't infringe copyright?
 
 
I do think a lot of the problem is that the ABs copyrighted the concept with a very well designed and timeless version making it harder for other similar ones to look good.
 
If this guy reckons he can do it then give him a shot.
 
I don't get the argument from the panel that it is too associated with sport. Sports took the symbol because it was our symbol not the other way around.
 
The NZRU only own their particular version, they have fought for and lost the attempt to copyright the white fern on black as a general image.

taniwharugby

isn't that the reason we are the New Zealand All Blacks now?
 
There have been some pretty sh!tty versions of the Silver Fern over the years too...

Virgil

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I struggle to believe black with a silver fern isn't at the very least one of the 4 options to vote from. I thought that would be a given, and the tough job would be choosing 3 other viable alternatives.
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Is that due to the NZRU owning the rights to the Silverfern? (at least the way it looks on the blac back ground)
 
It would honestly be the only design i would vote Yes to.

taniwharugby

I believe they own the rights to THIER silverfern.

red terror

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isn't that the reason we are the New Zealand All Blacks now?
 
There have been some pretty sh!tty versions of the Silver Fern over the years too...
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From memory it was about 1986, I think, pre-RWC, but possibly post-Cavaliers (-- I really should look this up --) fern emblem on AB jersey added "New Zealand All Blacks," and again foggy memory, they added it to protect the brand. I guess the idea was anybody could manufacture a black jersey and slap a fern on it, or use it in advertising, and NZRU wouldn't get recompensed (and of course they'd already entered into a jersey sponsorship by that time with Steinlager.) (Were they terrified the Cavaliers were going to run out in SA wearing a black jersey with a silver fern and calling themselves the "Cavaliers"...? Hmmm...). Would be interesting to dig out the old Rugby News' and revisit...

taniwharugby

ha my bad, I meant when they removed the NZ part and became just the ABs, which was more recent.

jegga

Since we are mocking dirty hippie types,
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/71907286/homeopathy-conference-ends-in-chaos'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/71907286/homeopathy-conference-ends-in-chaos</a>
 
I shouldn't laugh , but I did. 
 
A lot.
 
It says the drug caused them to have delusions, if they were at a homeopathy conference they were already delusional.

dogmeat

NZ Cricket managed to come up with a reasonable fern despite AB's trade mark
<img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f8/New_Zealand_Cricket_logo.svg/950px-New_Zealand_Cricket_logo.svg.png" alt="950px-New_Zealand_Cricket_logo.svg.png">

taniwharugby

did the same guy do the design?

dogmeat

sorry no idea but it shows it is possible

Winger

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Yeah, I've gone in a complete circle now. If we are going to change it has to be black with a properly designed silver fern or else just keep the current flag.
 
I'm also incredibly bored of the whole debate. Really sick of being told the process costs too much money, it's out flag for christs sake - we should spend more than ten bucks on our national image.
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Bored. I'm not in NZ but it seems like there was no interest until only recently.
 
And black (and maybe white) plus a white or silver fern should have been one of the 4 options.
 
But at least the debate had moved on now and a consensus seems to be slowly emerging
 
The colors are kind of agreed on. Black and white essential and preferable only traditional blue and red as optional colors.
Only one of a fern or SC not both.
The committee has f++ked up
NZ is ready for a new flag.
 
Recent BBC article
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-34171294'>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-34171294</a>
 
Red Peak: New Zealanders rally behind 'fifth' flag design
And I've signed the petition. Now close to 35,000
 
I'm a NZer living in the UK who is disappointed by not only the poor quality of the final 4 but the lack of any real choice. With 3 disappointing fern options and one non fern that is not really a genuine replacement flag alternative. But the main reason for signing this petition is that the Red Peak flag would be an outstanding option that ticks all the boxes for a new NZ flag. And it will offer a real alternative in the referendum vote. The black and white fern would still be used for sporting events.

mariner4life

I have to keep checking I'm on the last page of the thread because every post of winger's is exactly the same. It's fucking groundhog page on here.

Winger

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NZ Cricket managed to come up with a reasonable fern despite AB's trade mark
 
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That's a nice fern
 
I also like this one for something a bit different. But white on black
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.google.com/search?q=nz+cricket+fern&safe=off&biw=1280&bih=631&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CC4QsARqFQoTCNDqmvzP6ccCFQmd2wodJGEOjg#imgrc=Oite04zQ1vQ_3M%3A'>https://www.google.com/search?q=nz+cricket+fern&safe=off&biw=1280&bih=631&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CC4QsARqFQoTCNDqmvzP6ccCFQmd2wodJGEOjg#imgrc=Oite04zQ1vQ_3M%3A</a>
 
<img src="http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1233108507/690/394690.jpg" alt="394690.jpg">

Winger

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I have to keep checking I'm on the last page of the thread because every post of winger's is exactly the same. It's fucking groundhog page on here.
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Just put me on ignore if you don't have the ability to distinguish between my posts
 
Or what I do is just skip past posts I don't like or can't be bothered reading. Without posting a completely and utterly pointless post like you have just done

Rembrandt

I wonder what Peak engineering have to say about this..<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://peakengineeringdesign.com/'>http://peakengineeringdesign.com/</a>

taniwharugby

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That's a nice fern
 
I also like this one for something a bit different. But white on black
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.google.com/search?q=nz+cricket+fern&safe=off&biw=1280&bih=631&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CC4QsARqFQoTCNDqmvzP6ccCFQmd2wodJGEOjg#imgrc=Oite04zQ1vQ_3M%3A'>https://www.google.com/search?q=nz+cricket+fern&safe=off&biw=1280&bih=631&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CC4QsARqFQoTCNDqmvzP6ccCFQmd2wodJGEOjg#imgrc=Oite04zQ1vQ_3M%3A</a>
 
<img src="http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1233108507/690/394690.jpg" alt="394690.jpg">
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that is shite!

jegga

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That's a nice fern 
I also like this one for something a bit different. But white on black <a class="bbc_url" href="https://www.google.com/search?q=nz+cricket+fern&safe=off&biw=1280&bih=631&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CC4QsARqFQoTCNDqmvzP6ccCFQmd2wodJGEOjg#imgrc=Oite04zQ1vQ_3M%3A">https://www.google.com/search?q=nz+cricket+fern&safe=off&biw=1280&bih=631&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CC4QsARqFQoTCNDqmvzP6ccCFQmd2wodJGEOjg#imgrc=Oite04zQ1vQ_3M%3A</a> <img src="http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1233108507/690/394690.jpg" alt="394690.jpg"></blockquote>
 
Either the designer had never seen a silver fern or suffered from some sort of dyslexia .

Crucial

Just to be clear, there is no reason we can't have a white fern on a black background. It just can't copy exactly the NZRU one. 
Even the designer of the NZRU one has offered to do a version. 
All it needs is a different curve and different shaped leaves

The Silver Fern

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