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Winger

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NZ Cricket managed to come up with a reasonable fern despite AB's trade mark
 
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That's a nice fern
 
I also like this one for something a bit different. But white on black
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.google.com/search?q=nz+cricket+fern&safe=off&biw=1280&bih=631&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CC4QsARqFQoTCNDqmvzP6ccCFQmd2wodJGEOjg#imgrc=Oite04zQ1vQ_3M%3A'>https://www.google.com/search?q=nz+cricket+fern&safe=off&biw=1280&bih=631&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CC4QsARqFQoTCNDqmvzP6ccCFQmd2wodJGEOjg#imgrc=Oite04zQ1vQ_3M%3A</a>
 
<img src="http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1233108507/690/394690.jpg" alt="394690.jpg">

Winger

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I have to keep checking I'm on the last page of the thread because every post of winger's is exactly the same. It's fucking groundhog page on here.
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Just put me on ignore if you don't have the ability to distinguish between my posts
 
Or what I do is just skip past posts I don't like or can't be bothered reading. Without posting a completely and utterly pointless post like you have just done

Rembrandt

I wonder what Peak engineering have to say about this..<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://peakengineeringdesign.com/'>http://peakengineeringdesign.com/</a>

taniwharugby

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That's a nice fern
 
I also like this one for something a bit different. But white on black
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.google.com/search?q=nz+cricket+fern&safe=off&biw=1280&bih=631&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CC4QsARqFQoTCNDqmvzP6ccCFQmd2wodJGEOjg#imgrc=Oite04zQ1vQ_3M%3A'>https://www.google.com/search?q=nz+cricket+fern&safe=off&biw=1280&bih=631&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CC4QsARqFQoTCNDqmvzP6ccCFQmd2wodJGEOjg#imgrc=Oite04zQ1vQ_3M%3A</a>
 
<img src="http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1233108507/690/394690.jpg" alt="394690.jpg">
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that is shite!

jegga

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Winger" data-cid="514653" data-time="1441790869">
That's a nice fern 
I also like this one for something a bit different. But white on black <a class="bbc_url" href="https://www.google.com/search?q=nz+cricket+fern&safe=off&biw=1280&bih=631&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CC4QsARqFQoTCNDqmvzP6ccCFQmd2wodJGEOjg#imgrc=Oite04zQ1vQ_3M%3A">https://www.google.com/search?q=nz+cricket+fern&safe=off&biw=1280&bih=631&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CC4QsARqFQoTCNDqmvzP6ccCFQmd2wodJGEOjg#imgrc=Oite04zQ1vQ_3M%3A</a> <img src="http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1233108507/690/394690.jpg" alt="394690.jpg"></blockquote>
 
Either the designer had never seen a silver fern or suffered from some sort of dyslexia .

Crucial

Just to be clear, there is no reason we can't have a white fern on a black background. It just can't copy exactly the NZRU one. 
Even the designer of the NZRU one has offered to do a version. 
All it needs is a different curve and different shaped leaves

taniwharugby

this is a better fern than the one above, but not really something youdd put on a flag
 
<img src="https://www.tvnz.co.nz/content/dam/images/news/2015/03/02/anzac-silver-fern-tattoo.jpg.hashed.5d53fe0e.desktop.story.wide.jpg" alt="anzac-silver-fern-tattoo.jpg.hashed.5d53">

Winger

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Either the designer had never seen a silver fern or suffered from some sort of dyslexia .
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So which one looks most like a real fern then
 
<img src="http://rebeccagibb.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/silver-fern.jpg" alt="silver-fern.jpg">

jegga

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So which one looks most like a real fern then
 
<img src="http://rebeccagibb.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/silver-fern.jpg" alt="silver-fern.jpg">
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I understand that the fern will have to be stylised to some degree but the one you posted is back to front with the koru facing inwards.

Winger

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I understand that the fern will have to be stylised to some degree but the one you posted is back to front with the koru facing inwards.
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I thinks it's great.
 
And something LIKE THIS but in white on a black ground COULD be fantastic. (although some would initially be negative but these types just need to be ignored. They just hate change and are full of negativity)

jegga

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I thinks it's great.
 
And something LIKE THIS but in white on a black ground COULD be fantastic. (although some would initially be negative but these types just need to be ignored. They just hate change and are full of negativity)
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Nice way to get your first shot in but that flag is awful, if we have a fern on the flag it shouldn't look like , well whatever the fuck that is.
 
Have you ditched your previous love of red peak or just realised no one here is interested in it?

No Quarter

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Rembrandt" data-cid="514658" data-time="1441791591">I wonder what Peak engineering have to say about this..<a class="bbc_url" href="http://peakengineeringdesign.com/">http://peakengineeringdesign.com/</a></blockquote>
Hahaha, well spotted. Fuck it, let's just get the guy that did the ABs to do us a good silver fern on black. Everything else is taken anyway.

Winger

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Nice way to get your first shot in but that flag is awful, if we have a fern on the flag it shouldn't look like , well whatever the fuck that is.
 
Have you ditched your previous love of red peak or just realised no one here is interested in it?
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My interest currently in red peak is as an genuine alternative flag option
 
But if there was a great black and white fern flag AND the red peak I would still likely vote for the Red Peak.
 
I like the idea of two flags. One for sports and one as the main flag. I don't think the red peak could be improved on as a no fern, no SC NZ flag option.

canefan

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I wonder what Peak engineering have to say about this..<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://peakengineeringdesign.com/'>http://peakengineeringdesign.com/</a>
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I think there might be a few copyright issues with red peak....

canefan

Come to think of it I wonder if Gareth Morgan has seen it? He might want his $20K back

red terror

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Either the designer had never seen a silver fern or suffered from some sort of dyslexia .
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It looks more like a stylized feather quill than it does a fern.

red terror

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So which one looks most like a real fern then
 
<img src="http://rebeccagibb.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/silver-fern.jpg" alt="silver-fern.jpg">
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There are a couple hundred options to choose from in that jpeg alone.
 
That's the beauty of the fern, it self-replicates itself within itself -- ferns within ferns within ferns. 
 
If you don't like that particular fern, you can select other options from within that same image...
 
<img src="https://36.media.tumblr.com/ff1126930c5aab51069344c57d17b8a5/tumblr_inline_nuezgqENxP1rzvgly_540.jpg" alt="tumblr_inline_nuezgqENxP1rzvgly_540.jpg">
 
...and while the crummy 2500% blow-up from a small 72 dpi image original looks lousy, if you have good magnification you can inspect even closer. Select a perfect specimen, add a thin stroke-line to it, and it's difficult for me to see how anybody can trademark it any more than the Japanese can trademark a red circle claiming it's "their" sun..
 
<img src="https://41.media.tumblr.com/767eab673d592bbe6bfe486fcf215b3a/tumblr_inline_nuezh4c7k91rzvgly_540.jpg" alt="tumblr_inline_nuezh4c7k91rzvgly_540.jpg">

red terror

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I wonder what Peak engineering have to say about this..<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://peakengineeringdesign.com/'>http://peakengineeringdesign.com/</a>
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Hilarious, and affirms my point on the Kiwi racing silks. Grab any ol' "found" object, employ projection, confirmation bias and pseudo-intellectual word sorcery, and there's a good chance you can convince a columnist somewhere to write, hmmm, "I didn't love it at first," but now, "I can't see it any other way." Emperor wears no clothes.

taniwharugby

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Winger" data-cid="514669" data-time="1441793851">
although some would initially be negative but these types just need to be ignored. They just hate change and are full of negativity)</blockquote>Right....I am not against change, I am a pretty positive person...I like 2 of the top 4 better than the red peak, certainly better than that horrid fern you posted, as. I also said, I love the story of red peak, but think it is a pretty average looking logo. 
You post as if your opinion carries more weight than the rest of us and you that speak for the majority.

Winger

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Right....I am not against change, I am a pretty positive person...I like 2 of the top 4 better than the red peak, certainly better than that horrid fern you posted, as. I also said, I love the story of red peak, but think it is a pretty average looking logo. 
You post as if your opinion carries more weight than the rest of us and you that speak for the majority.
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Most people do not like change. And a lot are negative about anything that is a bit different.
 
You might not be (I never mentioned names) but a lot are. These just need to be almost initially ignored in this debate. A lot will eventually come around even though it may take years. That's one reason why Key deserves credit for stepping into this flag debate.
 
And its not my fern suggestion. I just posted this as an option that is different.
 
Re carries more weight. I'm for the people deciding. But I just think this process (and Key deserves blame for this) has not been done well. For reasons noted above.

The Silver Fern

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