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<p>Now that's a flag!!!! Imagine the moth frothing if that made our final four</p>
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<p>I know. these are apparently experts and they come up with "people burning in lava while sun sets behind them" .</p>
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<p>I bet that was a big day for them in that article Winger linked, someone actually knew they existed and asked for their opinion. </p> -
<p>that also looks like they have a flag, in thier flag, the symbolism is brilliant!</p>
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A flag within a flag. That's deep.
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<p>Reading Wingers article it looks like the flag geeks are a bit gutted they weren't asked and instead someone who designed sneakers for Nike was. Considering how shit their flag is and how competitive the sports shoe industry is I'd take sneaker boys advice over the flag beardos any day if the week .</p>
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<p>I don't understand the problem with not "consulting the advice" (sic) of vexillologists. Because you know how you become a vexillologist? You simply say you are. Some of them may be historians, and experts in that field, or designers and expert at design, or even young guys with Asperger's who like to categorise and remember things. But expert vexillologist? Nah, that's not really a thing.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Federation_of_Vexillological_Associations'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Federation_of_Vexillological_Associations</a></p>
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<p>The flag of the FIAV<sup><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Federation_of_Vexillological_Associations#cite_note-fiavconstitution-1'><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a></sup></p>
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<p><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/Flag_of_FIAV.svg/443px-Flag_of_FIAV.svg.png" alt="443px-Flag_of_FIAV.svg.png"></p>
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<p>The flag of the FIAV<sup><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Federation_of_Vexillological_Associations#cite_note-fiavconstitution-1'><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a></sup></p>
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<p>The <b>International Federation of Vexillological Associations</b> (<b>FIAV</b>, <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language' title="French language">French</a> acronym: <i>FÃ
dÃration internationale des associations vexillologiques</i>) is an international federation<sup><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Federation_of_Vexillological_Associations#cite_note-4'><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a></sup> of 55 regional, national, and multinational associations and institutions across the globe that study <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vexillology' title="Vexillology">vexillology</a>, which FIAV defines in its constitution as "the creation and development of a body of knowledge about flags of all types, their forms and functions, and of scientific theories and principles based on that knowledge."</p> -
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<p>Reading Wingers article it looks like the flag geeks are a bit gutted they weren't asked and instead someone who designed sneakers for Nike was. Considering how shit their flag is and how competitive the sports shoe industry is I'd take sneaker boys advice over the flag beardos any day if the week .</p>
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<p>Whats wrong with their flag?</p>
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<p>Its far and away better than the final four shit the committee selected</p> -
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<p>Whats wrong with their flag?</p>
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<p>Its far and away better than the final four shit the committee selected</p>
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<p>Jesus mate you are almost singlehandedly keeping this thread alive. You have boundless energy to debate now that Piri Weepu has retired from the Canes and the ABs ;)</p> -
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<p>I don't understand the problem with not "consulting the advice" (sic) of vexillologists. Because you know how you become a vexillologist? You simply say you are. Some of them may be historians, and experts in that field, or designers and expert at design, or even young guys with Asperger's who like to categorise and remember things. But expert vexillologist? Nah, that's not really a thing.</p>
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<p>I'm unsure if you are taking the piss or not?</p>
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<p>The final 4 flags are poor. Surely only a small number will be silly enough to vote for one of these 4 compared to our current flag.</p>
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<p>This is the reason why the committee should have consulted someone or an organization who knew what they were doing. Rather than Key or someone from Nike who previously designed washing machines. Likewise with the committee.</p> -
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<p>Whats wrong with their flag?</p>
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<p>Its far and away better than the final four shit the committee selected</p>
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<p>That flag is awful, and the second sentence of your post is surely a pisstake.</p> -
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Federation_of_Vexillological_Associations'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Federation_of_Vexillological_Associations</a></p>
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<p>The flag of the FIAV<sup><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Federation_of_Vexillological_Associations#cite_note-fiavconstitution-1'>[1]</a></sup></p>
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<p><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/Flag_of_FIAV.svg/443px-Flag_of_FIAV.svg.png" alt="443px-Flag_of_FIAV.svg.png"></p>
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<p>The flag of the FIAV<sup><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Federation_of_Vexillological_Associations#cite_note-fiavconstitution-1'>[1]</a></sup></p>
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<p>The <b>International Federation of Vexillological Associations</b> (<b>FIAV</b>, <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language' title="French language">French</a> acronym: <i>FÃdÃration internationale des associations vexillologiques</i>) is an international federation<sup><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Federation_of_Vexillological_Associations#cite_note-4'>[4]</a></sup> of 55 regional, national, and multinational associations and institutions across the globe that study <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vexillology' title="Vexillology">vexillology</a>, which FIAV defines in its constitution as "the creation and development of a body of knowledge about flags of all types, their forms and functions, and of scientific theories and principles based on that knowledge."</p>
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<p>Once again thats awful , it would appear the flag geeks are to flag design as Tiger Woods is to fidelity.</p>
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<p>I'd still like to know why designing Nike sneakers is something to be sneered at, sneakers are an overpriced me too product and basically the only thing that separates them is the way they look. I'd wager whoever it is you are putting down has a better idea for design than the vexillologists.</p> -
<p>This thread is brilliant!</p>
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<p>I have learnt about the importance of vexillogy in society, I have learnt that Winger is really just a bot.</p> -
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This thread is brilliant!<br><br>
I have learnt about the importance of vexillogy in society, I have learnt that Winger is really just a bot.</p></blockquote>
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<p>The international congress of vexillology choose this flag for themselves...............</p>
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<p><img src="http://www.icv26.com.au/images/ICV26 flag - 400.jpg" alt="ICV26%20flag%20-%20400.jpg"></p>
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<p>Welll, it's got a Southern Cross...</p>
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<p><img src="https://36.media.tumblr.com/d3a045edee34dc5e635ef0bdc9f7bfae/tumblr_inline_nuhdd4d5sI1rzvgly_540.jpg" alt="tumblr_inline_nuhdd4d5sI1rzvgly_540.jpg"></p>
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<p>...and their rugby ball is a magnificent touch...</p>
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<p>Extremely vexing for any armchair vexillologist however, their stars look more like flying saucers and the ball-stitching is all wrong.</p>
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<p>Can fix easily enough...</p>
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<p>Coming together... but needs more symbology to beef it up....</p>
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<p>I think we have a winner. Iconic New Zealand symbology balanced in all four corners -- Crux, Fern, Kiwi, Pavolva -- a rugby ball central -- I doubt you'd find anything more perfectly representative.</p> -
<p>brilliant RT!!</p>
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<p>Probably just need to get more black and white in it too</p> -
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<p>I know. these are apparently experts and they come up with "people burning in lava while sun sets behind them" .</p>
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<p>I bet that was a big day for them in that article Winger linked, someone actually knew they existed and asked for their opinion. </p>
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<p>Not only are the people burning in lava, they are getting soccer balls thrown at their heads, while fending off the amorous advances of an octopus.</p> -
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Not only are the people burning in lava, they are getting soccer balls thrown at their heads, while fending off the amorous advances of an octopus.</p></blockquote>
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<p>I'm unsure if you are taking the piss or not?</p>
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<p>The final 4 flags are poor. Surely only a small number will be silly enough to vote for one of these 4 compared to our current flag.</p>
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<p>This is the reason why the committee should have consulted someone or an organization who knew what they were doing. Rather than Key or someone from Nike who previously designed washing machines. Likewise with the committee.</p>
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<p>No, I'm not taking the piss. You posted something that suggested that the lack of vexillologists on the panel was in some way a problem. But vexillologists are by definition self-appointed. They are people who like flags.</p>
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<p>Liking something is no qualification for dictating if or how others may engage with, enjoy or participate in it. And the fact a vexillologist may take the business of flags seriously doesn't make their subjective opinion more valuable than, say, Jegga's subjective opinion. Despite their obvious and stated interest in the subject they are no more "right" in their opinions than BJ Lochore is.</p>
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<p>Your demand for their inclusion is as preposterous as suggesting that musicians should have a group of music critics vet their songs prior to release, because otherwise the songs will be crap.</p>
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<p>We get it, you don't like the options. But that's just your opinion. There's fact, then there's opinion. Know the difference.</p>
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<p>BTW, the "designed washing machines" thing is horseshit, and you should know that. First, t's the kind of detail that gets included in a story because someone with a grudge (maybe a vexillologist group) fed it to the "journalist" and I'm unsurprised it's in a piece in the Herald, but I'm surprised you can't recognise a beat-up when you see it. Second, nobody gives a shit.</p>
