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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Winger" data-cid="515097" data-time="1441962627"><p><br>
It was dreadful to the extent that it shocked me. How could so much money be spent for something so shit.<br><br>
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Says the guy who just paid 85 bucks for a flag with the logo of an engineering company on it. Yep, money well spent that. -
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<p>Says the guy who just paid 85 bucks for a flag with the logo of an engineering company on it. Yep, money well spent that.</p>
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<p>I've run out of likes , that was gold though. I can't believe anyone would buy a red peak. It'll be something find every now and then stashed somewhere in your house and you'll feel the same way about as you do the photos your mum has of you as a teenager with a mullet.</p> -
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<p>Says the guy who just paid 85 bucks for a flag with the logo of an engineering company on it. Yep, money well spent that.</p>
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<p>But the XR is good now so not much in UK £s</p> -
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But the XR is good now so not much in UK £s</p></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-time="1441965319" data-cid="515111" data-author="jegga"><p>I've run out of likes , that was gold though. I can't believe anyone would buy a red peak. It'll be something find every now and then stashed somewhere in your house and you'll feel the same way about as you do the photos your mum has of you as a teenager with a mullet.</p></blockquote><br>Imagine the conversation if one of the kids finds it.<br><br>"What's that dad?"<br>"That my son should have been our nation's flag."<br>"Why wasn't it dad?"<br>"Because the stupid bastards didn't let the vexillologists do their job."<br>"What the fuck is a vexillologist?"
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Winger" data-cid="515114" data-time="1441966971"><p>
But the XR is good now so not much in UK £s</p></blockquote>
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That is the same as my wife buying that pair of shoes she didn't need cos they were on special!<br><br>
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This is the best thread in the history of the Internet. A doff of the cap to RT he is a vex.. a vexo.. a vexil... a flag nut of the highest order
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<p>It is great that people buy the red peak flag, makes it obvious who the morons are in the crowd.</p>
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<p>If I state the following as "fact" does that cancel Wingers opinions?</p>
<p>Red Peak is shit.</p>
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<p>Or do I have to re-post it 150 times and yell louder?</p>
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<p>I dig the symbolism in it's development - nice that it's got some reason behind it. But the end result is bland and does not speak "New Zealand" to me. Looks like it was designed by a graphic designer - with end result being a passionless triangle.</p>
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<p>I'm the most traditionalist person I know. I didn't think I would ever advocate for a flag change.</p>
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<p>But I am. And I like the Lockwood designs - and I have come around to Black and Blue. The imagery speaks "New Zealand". It has the Southern Cross of "my" flag. It has the colours of NZ - red, white and blue AND black. It has the silver fern which is an iconic image of New Zealand. It retains history and gives me the impression we are looking to progress as a young country.</p>
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<p>Red Peak is just so Meh as an image. Any country could have a flag of stripes and triangles. Many do. At first glance nobody is going to say wow - you're defined by ... um a stripe and a triangle.</p>
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<p>In contrast I think people would look at my preferred flag and realise that the symbols on there mean something to New Zealand - even if they don't know what they mean.</p>
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<p>The process may not be perfect but realistically it's pretty good. The flag committee are New Zealanders who obviously looked for symbols unique to NZ. (A triangle isn't ... any country can have a triangle).</p>
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<p>I don't like the koru or fern options. </p>
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<p>But that is my opinion. And I'm mature enough to admit it is opinion.</p>
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<p>Now I've read this thread this morning can I have my three hours back?</p> -
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<p>If I state the following as "fact" does that cancel Wingers opinions?</p>
<p>Red Peak is shit.</p>
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<p>Or do I have to re-post it 150 times and yell louder?</p>
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<p>I dig the symbolism in it's development - nice that it's got some reason behind it. But the end result is bland and does not speak "New Zealand" to me. Looks like it was designed by a graphic designer - with end result being a passionless triangle.</p>
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<p>I'm the most traditionalist person I know. I didn't think I would ever advocate for a flag change.</p>
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<p>But I am. And I like the Lockwood designs - and I have come around to Black and Blue. The imagery speaks "New Zealand". It has the Southern Cross of "my" flag. It has the colours of NZ - red, white and blue AND black. It has the silver fern which is an iconic image of New Zealand. It retains history and gives me the impression we are looking to progress as a young country.</p>
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<p>Red Peak is just so Meh as an image. Any country could have a flag of stripes and triangles. Many do. At first glance nobody is going to say wow - you're defined by ... um a stripe and a triangle.</p>
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<p>In contrast I think people would look at my preferred flag and realise that the symbols on there mean something to New Zealand - even if they don't know what they mean.</p>
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<p>The process may not be perfect but realistically it's pretty good. The flag committee are New Zealanders who obviously looked for symbols unique to NZ. (A triangle isn't ... any country can have a triangle).</p>
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<p>I don't like the koru or fern options. </p>
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<p>But that is my opinion. And I'm mature enough to admit it is opinion.</p>
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<p>Now I've read this thread this morning can I have my three hours back?</p>
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<p>But this process should not be just all about what John wants booboo.</p>
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<p>I'm repeating myself but it should have been a vote to give the public a range of quality varied options that they can vote on. So have one fern (or maybe two at max). But not three out of four and one non fern option that hasn't a hope of being selected. This is no choice at all.</p>
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<p>And you may like the black and blue fern option but for me its shit. The blue used is the wrong blue. The fern design is not great. The black and blue should swap positions. Do we accept an OK flag at best or start again and do it right next time. Where we get a real choice. 1 fern and three other quality non fern options would be my preference.</p> -
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<p>So Key influenced the panel?<br><br>
If your peak flag was one of the 4 selected by the panel, I suspect this thread would have a third of the posts.</p>
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<p>Do you agree with the point I made about choice. (And that the final 4 are crap)?</p> -
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No i don't agree with your point about choice and I don't agree the final 4 are crap
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<p>It is great that people buy the red peak flag, makes it obvious who the morons are in the crowd.</p>
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<p>A typical BSG post. But why is paying a small amount of money to support a cause so wrong? I dislike the NZ flag and don't particular like the AB fern flag. So I would like to move to a new flag but dislike the final 4 options. So am willing to spend some money to help promote my preference.</p> -
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<p>That's the thing about wishing for a change. You might get change, just not the change you would choose</p>
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<p>So then we end up with another flag I don't like.. But it least NZ has been through this process. Aust will be watching and should know what works and doesn't.</p>
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<p>But my prediction is we will stick with the current flag and do the process as it should have been done within 10-20 years. And change to a flag without the fern on it. :yes:</p> -
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<p>No i don't agree with your point about choice and I don't agree the final 4 are crap</p>
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<p>So why waste money on the first vote then. Just let the committee decide on the best flag and have the 2nd vote?</p> -
<p>sorry, maybe in amongst your ramblings I missed something, I agree with the processand the committee...although had you read any of my other posts, you'd of already known that.</p>
