AB RWC squad
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Am I the only one who has doubts they'll drop Franks? I just find it hard to imagine they will.
@Stargazer I think he should be imo as he has slowed down dramatically but yes I think he'll still be picked.
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Forwards (17)
Laulala, Angus, Moody, Ofa, Franks
Coles, Taylor, Coltman
Whitelock, BBBR, SBarrett, Tuipolutou
Read, Savea, Cane, Todd + if available - Squire, if not - HemopoBacks (14)
TJP, Aaron, Weber
Mounga, BB (TJP could play 10 against minnows - no coincidence he played some time at 10 during Super Rugby)
SBW, ALB, Goodhue +1 (I want Laumape, but suspect Crotty)
Bridge, Reece, Rieko, Bender, JBarrett@westcoastie said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:
Forwards (17)
Laulala, Angus, Moody, Ofa, Franks
Coles, Taylor, Coltman
Whitelock, BBBR, SBarrett, Tuipolutou
Read, Savea, Cane, Todd + if available - Squire, if not - HemopoBacks (14)
TJP, Aaron, Weber
Mounga, BB (TJP could play 10 against minnows - no coincidence he played some time at 10 during Super Rugby)
SBW, ALB, Goodhue +1 (I want Laumape, but suspect Crotty)
Bridge, Reece, Rieko, Bender, JBarrettThat's going to be very close. I think you've got the backs.
In forwards, implication of Stuff article is that Ofa is being taken as utility, so two of Franks/Laulala/Ta'Avao, and I'd say that will come down to Franks/Ta'Avao after last night.
Intriguing what it means for second LH. Moli IMO not ready. So Perry or Tu'inukuafe.
And query over 4/5 or 3/6 lock/loosie split.
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Missing out IMHO on AB RWC squad:
Owen Franks: not doing enough around the park, nor tearing it up at scrum time any more. Enough experience elsewhere in the squad.
Karl T: Really unlucky with injury, fitness and health issues this year. Will be back in 2020.
Vaea Fifita : not enough structure to his game or workrate, not enough dominant tackles.
Jackson Hemopo: Too small for a Test lock, unproven in as a Test back row player.
Liam Squire: You don't opt out of the All Blacks in RWC in World Cup year then swan back in unless your form is exceptional. Not doing enough.
Josh Ioane: Unproven at Test level. Stays as test reserve.
Ngani Laumape: Tough call. Great with ball in hand, solid defence work, but doesn't have the passing skills of the four players ahead of him.
Braydon Ennor: Unlucky. Hasn't had chances to prove himself a Test player yet. Jordie Barrett's kicking game and passing just gives him the edge over Braydon. Great future ahead of him.
@sparky said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:
Missing out IMHO on AB RWC squad:
Owen Franks: not doing enough around the park, nor tearing it up at scrum time any more. Enough experience elsewhere in the squad.
Karl T: Really unlucky with injury, fitness and health issues this year. Will be back in 2020.
Vaea Fifita : not enough structure to his game or workrate, not enough dominant tackles.
Jackson Hemopo: Too small for a Test lock, unproven in as a Test back row player.
Liam Squire: You don't opt out of the All Blacks in RWC in World Cup year then swan back in unless your form is exceptional. Not doing enough.
Josh Ioane: Unproven at Test level. Stays as test reserve.
Ngani Laumape: Tough call. Great with ball in hand, solid defence work, but doesn't have the passing skills of the four players ahead of him.
Braydon Ennor: Unlucky. Hasn't had chances to prove himself a Test player yet. Jordie Barrett's kicking game and passing just gives him the edge over Braydon. Great future ahead of him.
Mainly agree, but odds on one of those three loosies go. Then again why HAS Frizell been playing lock for Mako?
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@African-Monkey said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:
@pukunui A lot of people get carried away on here after 1 performance.
Actually Reece was better in 2 tests on the right wing than Ben Smith was in his 2 tests on the right wing.
As for the squad - I reckon the final loose forward position is down to Squire vs Frizell. I don't think Hemopo will go.
@KiwiMurph said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:
@African-Monkey said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:
@pukunui A lot of people get carried away on here after 1 performance.
Actually Reece was better in 2 tests on the right wing than Ben Smith was in his 2 tests on the right wing.
As for the squad - I reckon the final loose forward position is down to Squire vs Frizell. I don't think Hemopo will go.
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Sparky's All Black RWC squad
Props: Nepo Laulala, Joe Moody, Atu Moli, Angus Ta'avao, Ofa Tu'ungafasi
Hooker: Dane Coles, Liam Coltman, Codie Taylor.
Locks: Scott Barrett, Brodie Retallick, Patrick Tuitupolou, Sam Whitelock
Back Row: Sam Cane, Luke Jacobson, Kieran Read, Ardie Savea, Matt Todd
Half Backs: TJ Perenera, Aaron Smith, Brad Weber
First Fives: Beauden Barrett, Richie Mo'unga
Midfield: Ryan Crotty, Jack Goodhue, Anton Leinert-Brown, Sonny Bill Williams
Back Three: Jordie Barrett, George Bridge, Reiko Ioane, Sevu Reece, Ben Smith
Some very tough decisions ahead for the selectors to get it down to 31.
@sparky said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:
Sparky's All Black RWC squad
Props: Nepo Laulala, Joe Moody, Atu Moli, Angus Ta'avao, Ofa Tu'ungafasi
Hooker: Dane Coles, Liam Coltman, Codie Taylor.
Locks: Scott Barrett, Brodie Retallick, Patrick Tuitupolou, Sam Whitelock
Back Row: Sam Cane, Luke Jacobson, Kieran Read, Ardie Savea, Matt Todd
Half Backs: TJ Perenera, Aaron Smith, Brad Weber
First Fives: Beauden Barrett, Richie Mo'unga
Midfield: Ryan Crotty, Jack Goodhue, Anton Leinert-Brown, Sonny Bill Williams
Back Three: Jordie Barrett, George Bridge, Reiko Ioane, Sevu Reece, Ben Smith
Some very tough decisions ahead for the selectors to get it down to 31.
That's going to be close, but I think it's a year too soon for Moli.
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@sparky said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:
Sparky's All Black RWC squad
Props: Nepo Laulala, Joe Moody, Atu Moli, Angus Ta'avao, Ofa Tu'ungafasi
Hooker: Dane Coles, Liam Coltman, Codie Taylor.
Locks: Scott Barrett, Brodie Retallick, Patrick Tuitupolou, Sam Whitelock
Back Row: Sam Cane, Luke Jacobson, Kieran Read, Ardie Savea, Matt Todd
Half Backs: TJ Perenera, Aaron Smith, Brad Weber
First Fives: Beauden Barrett, Richie Mo'unga
Midfield: Ryan Crotty, Jack Goodhue, Anton Leinert-Brown, Sonny Bill Williams
Back Three: Jordie Barrett, George Bridge, Reiko Ioane, Sevu Reece, Ben Smith
Some very tough decisions ahead for the selectors to get it down to 31.
That's going to be close, but I think it's a year too soon for Moli.
@pakman Props will be Ofa T (can both sides to Test standard), the two looseheads and two tightheads.
2 from 3 of Laulala, Angus and Owen Franks at Tighthead. Owen not offering as much as the other two now.
Joe Moody is the starting Loosehead, but his backup is perhaps the hardest call for whole squad. Karl T isn't on top of his game and has had health and injury problems. Tim Perry hasn't played all year. Moli gets the nod,partly on potential. He will carve up against the minnows. Ofa T will be on the bench (as finisher when Moody goes off) for South Africa though.
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@pakman Props will be Ofa T (can both sides to Test standard), the two looseheads and two tightheads.
2 from 3 of Laulala, Angus and Owen Franks at Tighthead. Owen not offering as much as the other two now.
Joe Moody is the starting Loosehead, but his backup is perhaps the hardest call for whole squad. Karl T isn't on top of his game and has had health and injury problems. Tim Perry hasn't played all year. Moli gets the nod,partly on potential. He will carve up against the minnows. Ofa T will be on the bench (as finisher when Moody goes off) for South Africa though.
@sparky said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:
@pakman Props will be Ofa T (can both sides to Test standard), the two looseheads and two tightheads.
2 from 3 of Laulala, Angus and Owen Franks at Tighthead. Owen not offering as much as the other two now.
Joe Moody is the starting Loosehead, but his backup is perhaps the hardest call for whole squad. Karl T isn't on top of his game and has had health and injury problems. Tim Perry hasn't played all year. Moli gets the nod,partly on potential. He will carve up against the minnows. Ofa T will be on the bench (as finisher when Moody goes off) for South Africa though.
It is probably the most interesting selection. Did you see this: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12259569
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@sparky said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:
@pakman Props will be Ofa T (can both sides to Test standard), the two looseheads and two tightheads.
2 from 3 of Laulala, Angus and Owen Franks at Tighthead. Owen not offering as much as the other two now.
Joe Moody is the starting Loosehead, but his backup is perhaps the hardest call for whole squad. Karl T isn't on top of his game and has had health and injury problems. Tim Perry hasn't played all year. Moli gets the nod,partly on potential. He will carve up against the minnows. Ofa T will be on the bench (as finisher when Moody goes off) for South Africa though.
It is probably the most interesting selection. Did you see this: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12259569
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@pakman Yes, but only after I wrote down my squad and posts about it.
Selectors might go for Liam Squire instead of Luke Jacobson.
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@canefan said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:
I'm not sure I would trust anyone else outside the group other than BB and Richie. If it comes to that we will making do anyway and a replacement is only a flight away
Holidays in Japan coming up for some players
@nzzp said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:
@canefan said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:
I'm not sure I would trust anyone else outside the group other than BB and Richie. If it comes to that we will making do anyway and a replacement is only a flight away
Holidays in Japan coming up for some players
Isn't Todd contracted to play there? Frees up space on plane?
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@sparky said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:
@pakman Yes, but only after I wrote down my squad and posts about it.
Selectors might go for Liam Squire instead of Luke Jacobson.
If it were me, I'd probably go for both.
@pakman I am not sure how to accommodate six backrow players. You could go for two half backs like England did and accommodate an extra backrow player, but big risk and I think Aaron Smith and TJP will need some rest across a long tournament.
Retallick's injury means we need four locks. Scott Barrett or even a fit BBBR could play backrow against Namibia or Canada.
Other option would be to leave behind Jordie or BFA. Jordie needed as third goal kicker. BFA clearly best fullback if BB injured.
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@pakman I am not sure how to accommodate six backrow players. You could go for two half backs like England did and accommodate an extra backrow player, but big risk and I think Aaron Smith and TJP will need some rest across a long tournament.
Retallick's injury means we need four locks. Scott Barrett or even a fit BBBR could play backrow against Namibia or Canada.
Other option would be to leave behind Jordie or BFA. Jordie needed as third goal kicker. BFA clearly best fullback if BB injured.
@sparky said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:
@pakman I am not sure how to accommodate five backrow players. You could go for two half backs like England did and accommodate an extra backrow player, but big risk and I think Aaron Smith and TJP will need some rest across a long tournament.
Retallick's injury means we need four locks. Scott Barrett or even a fit BBBR could play backrow against Namibia or Canada.
Other option would be to leave behind Jordie or BFA. Jordie needed as third goal kicker. BFA clearly best fullback if BB injured.
Is Todd no longer contracted to Wild Knights?
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@pakman I am not sure how to accommodate six backrow players. You could go for two half backs like England did and accommodate an extra backrow player, but big risk and I think Aaron Smith and TJP will need some rest across a long tournament.
Retallick's injury means we need four locks. Scott Barrett or even a fit BBBR could play backrow against Namibia or Canada.
Other option would be to leave behind Jordie or BFA. Jordie needed as third goal kicker. BFA clearly best fullback if BB injured.
@sparky We will need at least 5 (One has to cover Lock) as BBR may not be back until really late too much work for 3 locks)The LF positions are massive collision area's we will get injuries amongst our LF's they may even take 6
2 HB's or 4 Ouside backs plus BB.If they take 6. -
@sparky said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:
@pakman I am not sure how to accommodate five backrow players. You could go for two half backs like England did and accommodate an extra backrow player, but big risk and I think Aaron Smith and TJP will need some rest across a long tournament.
Retallick's injury means we need four locks. Scott Barrett or even a fit BBBR could play backrow against Namibia or Canada.
Other option would be to leave behind Jordie or BFA. Jordie needed as third goal kicker. BFA clearly best fullback if BB injured.
Is Todd no longer contracted to Wild Knights?
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@sparky We will need at least 5 (One has to cover Lock) as BBR may not be back until really late too much work for 3 locks)The LF positions are massive collision area's we will get injuries amongst our LF's they may even take 6
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@pakman Todd will be in the main squad IMHO. They are picking Ardie as a 6/8 so far this year. Todd is the main back-up Openside.
@sparky said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:
@pakman Todd will be in the main squad IMHO. They are picking Ardie as a 6/8 so far this year. Todd is the main back-up Openside.
I don't disagree, but if it were me I'd rather have Luke Jacobson. My thinking is I'd want Ardie covering 7 against Boks & Poms, and Jacobson can cover 6 & 7 against more lightweight teams.
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@canefan said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:
I'm not sure I would trust anyone else outside the group other than BB and Richie. If it comes to that we will making do anyway and a replacement is only a flight away
Holidays in Japan coming up for some players
@nzzp said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:
@canefan said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:
I'm not sure I would trust anyone else outside the group other than BB and Richie. If it comes to that we will making do anyway and a replacement is only a flight away
Holidays in Japan coming up for some players
Jackson Hemopo is due to start playing in Japan straight after RWC. Even if he doesn't make RWC 31 he might move home early to Japan, just in case.
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