Pre-RWC test matches
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@sparky said in Pre-RWC test matches:
@Machpants said in Pre-RWC test matches:
@sparky that try should have never happened, yellow card guy still on and HIA in progress. Ridiculous. But oh well
I agree and thought it was a harsh yellow card too. The French refs and their fondness for dishing out cards are a concern with the RWC imminient.
Bollocks.
Watson knew exactly what he was doing.
If the ball had got away, Wales would have scored.
Correct decision. Need more of them. Earlier in the match too.
And yes, Biggar should have been told to take the penalty again.
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@MiketheSnow It was a penalty. No more. IMHO.
Long way from the try line and enough doubt for me that it was a poor attempt at an intercept rather than deliberate foul play.
@sparky said in Pre-RWC test matches:
@MiketheSnow It was a penalty. No more. IMHO.
Long way from the try line and enough doubt for me that it was a poor attempt at an intercept rather than deliberate foul play.
We'll agree to disagree.
Closer to the try line it would have been a penalty try IMHO.
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In the post match interview MOTM Dan Biggar said
"Special thanks to JJ Williams for all his comments this week"
Biggar was responding to former Wales wing JJ Williams' comments saying Wales would not win the WC with Biggar at 10.
Despite Biggar's performance yesterday Williams is correct IMHO.
Alternatively Wales has no chance unless Navidi is on the park.
He is integral to Moriarty playing at his best and Wales having a dominant backrow.
I would have loved to see Ellis Jenkins join them, but think our best combination at the moment is Wainwright, Navidi, Moriarty with Tipuric on the bench.
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@sparky said in Pre-RWC test matches:
@Machpants said in Pre-RWC test matches:
@sparky that try should have never happened, yellow card guy still on and HIA in progress. Ridiculous. But oh well
I agree and thought it was a harsh yellow card too. The French refs and their fondness for dishing out cards are a concern with the RWC imminient.
Bollocks.
Watson knew exactly what he was doing.
If the ball had got away, Wales would have scored.
Correct decision. Need more of them. Earlier in the match too.
And yes, Biggar should have been told to take the penalty again.
@MiketheSnow said in Pre-RWC test matches:
@sparky said in Pre-RWC test matches:
@Machpants said in Pre-RWC test matches:
@sparky that try should have never happened, yellow card guy still on and HIA in progress. Ridiculous. But oh well
I agree and thought it was a harsh yellow card too. The French refs and their fondness for dishing out cards are a concern with the RWC imminient.
Bollocks.
Watson knew exactly what he was doing.
If the ball had got away, Wales would have scored.
**Correct decision. Need more of them. Earlier in the match too.
And yes, Biggar should have been told to take the penalty again.**
Agree and agree. Though initially I thought the knock on accidental, but on review a clear yellow. The try should not have stood but was really well taken, so I sort of don’t mind. The better side won, so no complaints.
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@sparky said in Pre-RWC test matches:
@Billy-Tell said in Pre-RWC test matches:
Scotland were absolutely terrible and France looked decent enough.
I don’t even think it would be an upset if japan beat Scotland. They’re currently 7th and 9th although France may now be 7th and Scotland 8th.
I think Argentina won’t get out of their pool with England and France advancing.
French revival?
Every time Scotland wear that abortion of an away strip they deserve to be absolutely pummeled.
French back play looked wonderful. But all based on solid forward display.
Japan would have beaten Scotland at the last WC if the schedule had fallen for them better - very short turnaround.
Would not be surprised if they advance this time.
@MiketheSnow said in Pre-RWC test matches:
@sparky said in Pre-RWC test matches:
@Billy-Tell said in Pre-RWC test matches:
Scotland were absolutely terrible and France looked decent enough.
I don’t even think it would be an upset if japan beat Scotland. They’re currently 7th and 9th although France may now be 7th and Scotland 8th.
I think Argentina won’t get out of their pool with England and France advancing.
French revival?
Every time Scotland wear that abortion of an away strip they deserve to be absolutely pummeled.
Just quoting this as it needs to be repeated. What a ridiculous strip.
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@MiketheSnow said in Pre-RWC test matches:
@sparky said in Pre-RWC test matches:
@Billy-Tell said in Pre-RWC test matches:
Scotland were absolutely terrible and France looked decent enough.
I don’t even think it would be an upset if japan beat Scotland. They’re currently 7th and 9th although France may now be 7th and Scotland 8th.
I think Argentina won’t get out of their pool with England and France advancing.
French revival?
Every time Scotland wear that abortion of an away strip they deserve to be absolutely pummeled.
Just quoting this as it needs to be repeated. What a ridiculous strip.
@KiwiMurph said in Pre-RWC test matches:
@MiketheSnow said in Pre-RWC test matches:
@sparky said in Pre-RWC test matches:
@Billy-Tell said in Pre-RWC test matches:
Scotland were absolutely terrible and France looked decent enough.
I don’t even think it would be an upset if japan beat Scotland. They’re currently 7th and 9th although France may now be 7th and Scotland 8th.
I think Argentina won’t get out of their pool with England and France advancing.
French revival?
Every time Scotland wear that abortion of an away strip they deserve to be absolutely pummeled.
Just quoting this as it needs to be repeated. What a ridiculous strip.
Looks like a box of shortbread. Just need a cuppa
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France’s Paul Gabrillagues has been cited by independent citing commissioner Shaun Gallagher (England) for an alleged act of foul play contrary to Law 9.20 (dangerous play in a ruck or maul) during the 17th minute of the France versus Scotland test match in Nice on Saturday, 17 August. The hearing will take place on 20 August in London and will be heard by an independent panel comprising Chair Antony Davies (England), former international referee Donal Courtney (Ireland) and former international player Stefan Terblanche (South Africa). -
BBC Scotland's Tom English not happy at all about Scotland's performance against France:
@sparky said in Pre-RWC test matches:
BBC Scotland's Tom English not happy at all about Scotland's performance against France:
Spot on
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@sparky said in Pre-RWC test matches:
BBC Scotland's Tom English not happy at all about Scotland's performance against France:
Spot on
@MiketheSnow said in Pre-RWC test matches:
@sparky said in Pre-RWC test matches:
BBC Scotland's Tom English not happy at all about Scotland's performance against France:
Spot on
What do you think of Wales draw? There is only one genuine gimme in the pool and that’s Uruguay. Australia and to a lesser extent Fiji are capable of winning and Georgia should be robust enough. I reckon Georgia would be more than happy with claiming third spot ahead of Fiji and if they add a good performance against Wales...crying shame Georgia isn’t in pool A TBH.
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@MiketheSnow said in Pre-RWC test matches:
@sparky said in Pre-RWC test matches:
BBC Scotland's Tom English not happy at all about Scotland's performance against France:
Spot on
What do you think of Wales draw? There is only one genuine gimme in the pool and that’s Uruguay. Australia and to a lesser extent Fiji are capable of winning and Georgia should be robust enough. I reckon Georgia would be more than happy with claiming third spot ahead of Fiji and if they add a good performance against Wales...crying shame Georgia isn’t in pool A TBH.
@Billy-Tell said in Pre-RWC test matches:
@MiketheSnow said in Pre-RWC test matches:
@sparky said in Pre-RWC test matches:
BBC Scotland's Tom English not happy at all about Scotland's performance against France:
Spot on
What do you think of Wales draw? There is only one genuine gimme in the pool and that’s Uruguay. Australia and to a lesser extent Fiji are capable of winning and Georgia should be robust enough. I reckon Georgia would be more than happy with claiming third spot ahead of Fiji and if they add a good performance against Wales...crying shame Georgia isn’t in pool A TBH.
Our second string have beaten both Fiji and Georgia in recent years, so it should be a shoot-out for top spot with Australia.
But injuries and brain-farts could see us knocked out a la 2007
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@Billy-Tell said in Pre-RWC test matches:
@MiketheSnow said in Pre-RWC test matches:
@sparky said in Pre-RWC test matches:
BBC Scotland's Tom English not happy at all about Scotland's performance against France:
Spot on
What do you think of Wales draw? There is only one genuine gimme in the pool and that’s Uruguay. Australia and to a lesser extent Fiji are capable of winning and Georgia should be robust enough. I reckon Georgia would be more than happy with claiming third spot ahead of Fiji and if they add a good performance against Wales...crying shame Georgia isn’t in pool A TBH.
Our second string have beaten both Fiji and Georgia in recent years, so it should be a shoot-out for top spot with Australia.
But injuries and brain-farts could see us knocked out a la 2007
@MiketheSnow said in Pre-RWC test matches:
@Billy-Tell said in Pre-RWC test matches:
@MiketheSnow said in Pre-RWC test matches:
@sparky said in Pre-RWC test matches:
BBC Scotland's Tom English not happy at all about Scotland's performance against France:
Spot on
What do you think of Wales draw? There is only one genuine gimme in the pool and that’s Uruguay. Australia and to a lesser extent Fiji are capable of winning and Georgia should be robust enough. I reckon Georgia would be more than happy with claiming third spot ahead of Fiji and if they add a good performance against Wales...crying shame Georgia isn’t in pool A TBH.
Our second string have beaten both Fiji and Georgia in recent years, so it should be a shoot-out for top spot with Australia.
But injuries and brain-farts could see us knocked out a la 2007
Pffft, you're the worlds number 1 team with no team ranked above 5 in your pool - you'll walk it easy.
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So the Bokke have Japan as a warm up, be a good boost for them to pick up their first ever victory over them.
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Did anybody watch the Boks vs Argies?
Yet another technically perfect decision at the end, which made no sense in reality. Look at from 2:58 in the video.
Basically, Argentina scored a match winning try, which the ref then went back to the TMO for something in the prior phase which didn't really have an effect (outside of the sliding doors theory) on the try being scored.
Surely, common sense states that for an obstruction, which happened right in front of the AR and Ref, if they can't call it at the time, then its' not clear enough.
FWIW I reckon the SA player milked it for all it's worth.
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Did anybody watch the Boks vs Argies?
Yet another technically perfect decision at the end, which made no sense in reality. Look at from 2:58 in the video.
Basically, Argentina scored a match winning try, which the ref then went back to the TMO for something in the prior phase which didn't really have an effect (outside of the sliding doors theory) on the try being scored.
Surely, common sense states that for an obstruction, which happened right in front of the AR and Ref, if they can't call it at the time, then its' not clear enough.
FWIW I reckon the SA player milked it for all it's worth.
@MajorRage said in Pre-RWC test matches:
Yet another technically perfect decision at the end, which made no sense in reality.
Agree 100%.
Argies very unlucky with that call. But these things happen.
And in my view I prefer that the officials err on the side of being technically correct rather than let all manner of things slide. The latter is more a route to fan frustration than the former I think. -
France second-row Paul Gabrillagues appeared today before an independent World Rugby disciplinary committee having been cited for alleged foul play in the test match between France and Scotland, in Nice on Saturday, 17 August, 2019.
The Disciplinary Committee chaired by Simon Thomas (Wales) alongside Donal Courtney (Ireland) and Valeriu Toma (Romania, via Skype), viewed footage with various angles of the incident in which Gabrillagues, in the 16th minute of the match, allegedly made contact with the head of an opponent contrary to Law 9.20 – “a player must not charge into a ruck or maul”.
The Disciplinary Committee also considered the written evidence and listened to submissions by and on behalf of the player, in which Gabrillagues accepted that the alleged act did amount to foul play worthy of a red card.
The Disciplinary Committee, having considered the evidence and the submissions, deemed that the foul play was intentional, the offence took place at considerable pace and with considerable force to the opposition’s head such that the player sustained an injury. The Committee determined that the act merited a top-end entry point which according to World Rugby’s Sanctions Table carries a minimum 10-week suspension.
Having noted Gabrillagues’ early acknowledgement of guilt, his apology and expression of remorse to his opponent and his good conduct at the hearing, the Disciplinary Committee reduced the 10-week entry point by 40 per cent, resulting in a sanction of six weeks. Taking into account Gabrillagues’ playing schedule, the suspension will end at midnight on Sunday, 6 October, 2019 after which he is free to resume playing.
The player has the right to appeal the decision within 48 hours of receiving the written decision.
So, if Gabrillagues makes the French RWC squad, he'll miss the first three games.
https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1163169761917919237
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France second-row Paul Gabrillagues appeared today before an independent World Rugby disciplinary committee having been cited for alleged foul play in the test match between France and Scotland, in Nice on Saturday, 17 August, 2019.
The Disciplinary Committee chaired by Simon Thomas (Wales) alongside Donal Courtney (Ireland) and Valeriu Toma (Romania, via Skype), viewed footage with various angles of the incident in which Gabrillagues, in the 16th minute of the match, allegedly made contact with the head of an opponent contrary to Law 9.20 – “a player must not charge into a ruck or maul”.
The Disciplinary Committee also considered the written evidence and listened to submissions by and on behalf of the player, in which Gabrillagues accepted that the alleged act did amount to foul play worthy of a red card.
The Disciplinary Committee, having considered the evidence and the submissions, deemed that the foul play was intentional, the offence took place at considerable pace and with considerable force to the opposition’s head such that the player sustained an injury. The Committee determined that the act merited a top-end entry point which according to World Rugby’s Sanctions Table carries a minimum 10-week suspension.
Having noted Gabrillagues’ early acknowledgement of guilt, his apology and expression of remorse to his opponent and his good conduct at the hearing, the Disciplinary Committee reduced the 10-week entry point by 40 per cent, resulting in a sanction of six weeks. Taking into account Gabrillagues’ playing schedule, the suspension will end at midnight on Sunday, 6 October, 2019 after which he is free to resume playing.
The player has the right to appeal the decision within 48 hours of receiving the written decision.
So, if Gabrillagues makes the French RWC squad, he'll miss the first three games.
https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1163169761917919237
@Stargazer When you look at the Barrett one and this one, I find it hard to think that there's not going to be at least one team that's going to be knocked out of the RWC because they get a red card - especially when you look at the following twitter thread and people are calling for another red in the England-Wales game.
As a point of order - that seems like a tackle rather than a ruck to me - there's not a French player on his feet until Gabrillagues arrives.
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@MajorRage said in Pre-RWC test matches:
Given the pace he's running at compared to Barrett, the extra weeks seem right to me.
That and, if I'm reading the comments right, Nigel Owens didn't even issue a penalty for it during the game.
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Former Hurricanes and current Scarlets No 8 Blade Thomson will make his Test debut for Scotland on Saturday against France at Murrayfield, in one of 14 changes from last week’s defeat to Les Bleus in Nice.
Scotland: 15 Stuart Hogg, 14 Tommy Seymour, 13 Chris Harris, 12 Pete Horne, 11 Sean Maitland; 10 Finn Russell, 9 Greig Laidlaw; 1 Gordon Reid, 2 George Turner, 3 Willem Nel; 4 Scott Cummings, 5 Sam Skinner; 6 Ryan Wilson, 7 Hamish Watson, 8 Blade ThomsonReplacements: 16 Grant Stewart, 17 Allan Dell, 18 Simon Berghan, 19 Grant Gilchrist, 20 John Barclay, 21 George Horne, 22 Rory Hutchinson, 23 Blair Kinghorn
