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Lance O’Sullivan says what we all think...
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12264246
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Regarding HPV - had it been around for a bit longer (I think only about 15 years) I probably wouldn't have a 38 year old employee (mother of 2 young children) with cervical cancer. She's just finished all of her chemo and radiation. Fingers crossed for her, she's awesome.
Anti vaxxers (as @jegga would say) GFYs.
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Regarding HPV - had it been around for a bit longer (I think only about 15 years) I probably wouldn't have a 38 year old employee (mother of 2 young children) with cervical cancer. She's just finished all of her chemo and radiation. Fingers crossed for her, she's awesome.
Anti vaxxers (as @jegga would say) GFYs.
Men should get it too , there was a guy on TB a whole back campaigning for men to get vaccinated. He’d lost the roof of his mouth and the inside of his nose to surgery to remove a cancer linked to hpv.
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Just booked in for my measles shot , the ministry of health is recommending anyone aged between 30 and 50 get a shot . It takes two weeks to be fully effective.
There should be a concerted campaign from schools , daycares , government and insurance companies to make life incredibly difficult and expensive for anti vaxxers .
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Lance O’Sullivan says what we all think...
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12264246
New Zealand's leaders needed to make decisions that were "bold and courageous and sometimes not always that popular", he said.
Why wouldn't it be popular? It's only a shrieking minority that won't like it.
Sums up our current state of worrying about the appearance of being unpopular on the interwebs.
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Just further to the above ...
The article goes on:
He said 5 per cent of the country would hate him - referring to anti-vaxxers as a "bunch of haters and wreckers and scaremongers that are out there causing harm".
So 95% likely support it? Sounds popular to me!
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Lance O’Sullivan says what we all think...
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12264246
New Zealand's leaders needed to make decisions that were "bold and courageous and sometimes not always that popular", he said.
Why wouldn't it be popular? It's only a shrieking minority that won't like it.
Shrieking minority? Freedom of decisions without govt interference? Seems there are some conflictions there.
But he is correct. Govts need to be very strong to push through this kind of law.
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Lance O’Sullivan says what we all think...
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12264246
New Zealand's leaders needed to make decisions that were "bold and courageous and sometimes not always that popular", he said.
Why wouldn't it be popular? It's only a shrieking minority that won't like it.
Shrieking minority? Freedom of decisions without govt interference? Seems there are some conflictions there.
But he is correct. Govts need to be very strong to push through this kind of law.
Sorry am missing your point.
Who said anything about freedom from government interference?
(And by the way name pretty much any activity that is free from government interference.)
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Lance O’Sullivan says what we all think...
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12264246
New Zealand's leaders needed to make decisions that were "bold and courageous and sometimes not always that popular", he said.
Why wouldn't it be popular? It's only a shrieking minority that won't like it.
Shrieking minority? Freedom of decisions without govt interference? Seems there are some conflictions there.
But he is correct. Govts need to be very strong to push through this kind of law.
Sorry am missing your point.
Who said anything about freedom from government interference?
(And by the way name pretty much any activity that is free from government interference.)
I was being facetious. Ignore. Don't want this heading to the Politics forum
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@Crucial Recognised your point (and that it was tongue in cheek).
From my point of view personal freedoms that carry consequences for the greater good should come under government mandate. Transmitting preventable communicable diseases to the general populace fall into that category, and probably some already criminal ones. Deliberately using infected blood as a weapon was a thing when AIDS was discovered and considered an offence I believe.
I was in Hong Kong for bird flu, swine flu and SARS. Public health issues aren't "personal" "freedoms" they effect everybody and have to have government control.
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@Snowy especially when population density adds more risk around managing this sort of stuff.
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@Paekakboyz Yep. My wife used to write for Hong Kong Uni and interviewed professors about the work they did on viruses, diseases, etc.
Epidemics in Southern China are pretty common due to the population density and they traced some larger historical ones back to the region (I just can't remember which...) -
I wonder if there are any organisations out there that make a concerted effort to challenge these Anti-vax folk online? When you start going down the anti-vax rabbit hole you see they quote an awful amount of studies to back up their opinions, would take a lot of time to go through and systematically debunk everything they push out and an employed person will struggle timewise against an unemployed conspiracy theorist or a stay-at-home vegan soccer mum.
They'd need to be independent from the government and would have to adhere to strict guidelines to only print what is verified peer-reviewed true even if this may mean granting some concessions to opposition thought while still providing an alternative interpretation. They'd also have to treat the anti-vax crowd with a bit of compassion, treat them as well-intentioned good people who have just been duped by some bad information out there. Maybe set up a website as a resource with quick links to debunk each anti-vax study or train of thought, other passionate folk could then also use this as a good resource for fighting back against friends and loved ones going down the anti-vax route.
Dunno if it would work but I'd certainly donate to something like that.
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seen alot online about allowing Pharmacists to vaccinate, think it is a good idea as I reckon they would be in a better position to get to a wider range of people than a Dr.
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@taniwharugby said in Woo:
seen alot online about allowing Pharmacists to vaccinate, think it is a good idea as I reckon they would be in a better position to get to a wider range of people than a Dr.
They can give flu shots but not mmr which seems odd to me .
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@Paekakboyz Yep. My wife used to write for Hong Kong Uni and interviewed professors about the work they did on viruses, diseases, etc.
Epidemics in Southern China are pretty common due to the population density and they traced some larger historical ones back to the region (I just can't remember which...)In the same way the Great Plague was population density, poor hygiene and close proximity to animals. Filthy rats.
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@antipodean said in Woo:
@Paekakboyz Yep. My wife used to write for Hong Kong Uni and interviewed professors about the work they did on viruses, diseases, etc.
Epidemics in Southern China are pretty common due to the population density and they traced some larger historical ones back to the region (I just can't remember which...)In the same way the Great Plague was population density, poor hygiene and close proximity to animals. Filthy rats.
Which is why it’s making a comeback in LA
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These are the types of people who are most likely to pay the price for other anti-vaxxers' folly
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12264397
LA County Department of Public Health
