2019 NZ Schools
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@Stargazer has Philpott moved from Under 20s to Schools?
Only one rep out of Wellington over both teams, that must be an all-time low.
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@Stargazer said in 2019 NZ Schools:
WTF!!
Hastings Boys win the National Top 4 and have ZERO players in the NZ Schools team, and only TWO in the NZ Barbarians team!
What a joke.
How many are eligible?
I've seen teams where, between international players and players who are too old, almost none were even eligible to be picked for NZSS.
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@Canes4life It's quite bad if you see the small number of players from the Hurricanes region that were selected. One from Palmy Boys and one from Scots college in the NZ Schools team and two from Hastings Boys, one from Manukura, one from Feilding HS in the NZ Schools Barbarians team.
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@Chester-Draws Apart from 5 to 6 players, all players from this year's Hastings Boys 1st XV will return next year. So the majority will be eligible. Several players are year 11.
Also, if they are eligible to play the Top 4 finals, doesn't that also mean they are eligible for NZ Schools?
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@Stargazer said in 2019 NZ Schools:
@Chester-Draws Apart from 5 to 6 players, all players from this year's Hastings Boys 1st XV will return next year. So the majority will be eligible. Several players are year 11.
Also, if they are eligible to play the Top 4 finals, doesn't that also mean they are eligible for NZ Schools?
Everyone is under-represented, except inner Auckland.
Until you realise that population-wise, the Hurricanes zone has about the right amount. Just because we are divided into five franchises, doesn't mean that each franchise has even close to the same number of people.
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@Chester-Draws If I look at the list, I see schools under/overrepresented, not only regions.
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@Chester-Draws said in 2019 NZ Schools:
@Stargazer said in 2019 NZ Schools:
@Chester-Draws Apart from 5 to 6 players, all players from this year's Hastings Boys 1st XV will return next year. So the majority will be eligible. Several players are year 11.
Also, if they are eligible to play the Top 4 finals, doesn't that also mean they are eligible for NZ Schools?
Everyone is under-represented, except inner Auckland.
Until you realise that population-wise, the Hurricanes zone has about the right amount. Just because we are divided into five franchises, doesn't mean that each franchise has even close to the same number of people.
That doesn't make much sense - the Canes have what, three players (by my rough calculation) in the team (including none from the top team in the region/country). The population of the region is nearly 1m.
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@Canes4life said in 2019 NZ Schools:
@Stargazer has Philpott moved from Under 20s to Schools?
Only one rep out of Wellington over both teams, that must be an all-time low.
As I noted on the other thread - the Hammettuer is coach.
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@Stargazer said in 2019 NZ Schools:
@Chester-Draws If I look at the list, I see schools under/overrepresented, not only regions.
As was ever so.
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Before I get mobbed it is always hard to pick schools teams because of the geography and the fact that games between players competing for spots are rare unless they are in same comp.
In terms of hurricanes representation and more specifically Wellington I just don’t think Wellington schools rugby is very strong atm (hate begins) scots got comprehensively beaten by Hastings. Even go down to u15 and Wellington college and st pats town came 15/16 out of 16 teams at one comp while st pats silverstream came down the bottom half of hurricanes tournament (they were top of their comp).
The biggest surprise is some of sth island (whom I know reasonably well) selections which is more than in previous years. 4 from CBHS is ridiculous! Lopas and can understand even Max Hughes (although I think others in NZ have played better) other two I just don’t see how. Also two from St Andrews who as a team imploaded this year to finish 7th!! Although I see they have a member (or ex) as a skills coach iso wonder if that played a part.
Will Gualter I like and can see why as well as Segner and
In the end I assume that selectors know who is available and have had a good look at tapes/ live games.
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@Stargazer said in 2019 NZ Schools:
WTF!!
Hastings Boys win the National Top 4 and have ZERO players in the NZ Schools team, and only TWO in the NZ Barbarians team!
What a joke.
This is not the first time in recent years that the national champion has had zero players in the NZ Schools team:
2018 winners St Peter's College - 1 player in NZ Schools
2017 winners Hastings BHS - 6 players
2016 winners Mt Albert Grammar - 4 players
2015 winners Rotorua BHS - 0 players
2014 co-winners Hamilton BHS - 2 players
2014 co-winners Scots College - 3 players
2013 winners Hamilton BHS - 4 players
2012 winners St Kentigern College - 2 players -
@Number-10 said in 2019 NZ Schools:
@Stargazer said in 2019 NZ Schools:
WTF!!
Hastings Boys win the National Top 4 and have ZERO players in the NZ Schools team, and only TWO in the NZ Barbarians team!
What a joke.
This is not the first time in recent years that the national champion has had zero players in the NZ Schools team:
2018 winners St Peter's College - 1 player in NZ Schools
2017 winners Hastings BHS - 6 players
2016 winners Mt Albert Grammar - 4 players
2015 winners Rotorua BHS - 0 players
2014 co-winners Hamilton BHS - 2 players
2014 co-winners Scots College - 3 players
2013 winners Hamilton BHS - 4 players
2012 winners St Kentigern College - 2 playersGoodness me, don't bring facts into it! Are you new to the Fern? Outrage is required here, and the fact that many others have suffered a similar fate isn't helpful.
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@Chester-Draws said in 2019 NZ Schools:
@Number-10 said in 2019 NZ Schools:
@Stargazer said in 2019 NZ Schools:
WTF!!
Hastings Boys win the National Top 4 and have ZERO players in the NZ Schools team, and only TWO in the NZ Barbarians team!
What a joke.
This is not the first time in recent years that the national champion has had zero players in the NZ Schools team:
2018 winners St Peter's College - 1 player in NZ Schools
2017 winners Hastings BHS - 6 players
2016 winners Mt Albert Grammar - 4 players
2015 winners Rotorua BHS - 0 players
2014 co-winners Hamilton BHS - 2 players
2014 co-winners Scots College - 3 players
2013 winners Hamilton BHS - 4 players
2012 winners St Kentigern College - 2 playersGoodness me, don't bring facts into it! Are you new to the Fern? Outrage is required here, and the fact that many others have suffered a similar fate isn't helpful.
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@Stargazer said in 2019 NZ Schools:
@Chester-Draws Apart from 5 to 6 players, all players from this year's Hastings Boys 1st XV will return next year. So the majority will be eligible. Several players are year 11.
Also, if they are eligible to play the Top 4 finals, doesn't that also mean they are eligible for NZ Schools?
IIRC, I think they picked the main team that was mainly Year 13s, and the Baabaas were mainly Year 12s.
So if they are Year 11, I'm assuming that's why they weren't picked.
That was in the past, so not sure if it's still the same.Does anyone have a breakdown of the Year Levels of the players?
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@Chester-Draws said in 2019 NZ Schools:
@Number-10 said in 2019 NZ Schools:
@Stargazer said in 2019 NZ Schools:
WTF!!
Hastings Boys win the National Top 4 and have ZERO players in the NZ Schools team, and only TWO in the NZ Barbarians team!
What a joke.
This is not the first time in recent years that the national champion has had zero players in the NZ Schools team:
2018 winners St Peter's College - 1 player in NZ Schools
2017 winners Hastings BHS - 6 players
2016 winners Mt Albert Grammar - 4 players
2015 winners Rotorua BHS - 0 players
2014 co-winners Hamilton BHS - 2 players
2014 co-winners Scots College - 3 players
2013 winners Hamilton BHS - 4 players
2012 winners St Kentigern College - 2 playersGoodness me, don't bring facts into it! Are you new to the Fern? Outrage is required here, and the fact that many others have suffered a similar fate isn't helpful.
Yes, I have a chance for more outrage, by many you mean one? Add this to your population projection for the Canes region and it seems you have a trumpian outlook on size and numbers.
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@98blueandgold said in 2019 NZ Schools:
Before I get mobbed it is always hard to pick schools teams because of the geography and the fact that games between players competing for spots are rare unless they are in same comp.
http://www.nzrugby.co.nz/what-we-do/national-teams/new-zealand-schools
They aren't just judged on their school games. There's camps, and provincial games etc.
But going to a big school is a massive bonus. We recently had a student at my school that should have been in the secondary school team, but didn't go to the right school. He made it to U20 squad, once free of that problem.
@Stargazer said in 2019 NZ Schools:
Apparently, only one player in the Hastings 1st XV team was over 18. So that can't be the reason.
They pretty much all have to be now, after a rule change, if I understood the rules correctly. Only two can be over 18 at the start of the year.
I can't find the eligibility requirements for international schoolboy games though. I thought that it was younger than under 18 on the 1st January because of the different school years of NH teams.
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@Chester-Draws I agree as I am also involved in schools rugby as well and have seen this a lot. 20s is where players should be aiming for not schools. What I was pointing out was the camps are a snapshot in a very short space of time. If you do not perform there that maybe your only chance so unless you are at a big school that is on tv or you are playing g a player regularly that you are in competition with it would be hard to make team.
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8 from Crusaders region schools in the top team is a pretty high representation. 30% or thereabouts. Zero from any Highlanders region schools but four from there in the Barbarians side. Two from my Dad's old school John McGlashan and one each from Kings HS and OBHS. It'd be pretty rare for OBHS to not have the greatest proportion of players, of Dunedin schools.
