RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B)
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@Siam said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
@Damo I wondered if the ALB tackle/ruck redefines an offside line making the interceptor a lazy runner, as he was coming back from the kolbe knock on.
Dunno, but it looked wrong
It looked wrong sure.
However a player can be put onside after a ruck by retreating to the line of the ruck, OR by a ball carrier running 5m with the ball. I didn't see it close enough to definitely say neither of those things happened.
@Damo said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
@Siam said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
@Damo I wondered if the ALB tackle/ruck redefines an offside line making the interceptor a lazy runner, as he was coming back from the kolbe knock on.
Dunno, but it looked wrong
It looked wrong sure.
However a player can be put onside after a ruck by retreating to the line of the ruck, OR by a ball carrier running 5m with the ball. I didn't see it close enough to definitely say neither of those things happened.
Is this true?
That used to be the case back in the day eg Mike Brewer pinning Gav Hastings Auckland 1990, 10m circle etc.I thought that changed with 1992 law changes.
Has something changed again,
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https://laws.worldrugby.org/?law=10&language=EN
Other than under Law 10.4c, an offside player can be put onside when:
An onside team-mate of that player moves past the offside player and is within or has re-entered the playing area.
An opponent of that player:
Carries the ball five metres; orPasses the ball; or
Kicks the ball; or
Intentionally touches the ball without gaining possession of it.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
@jegga said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
I enjoy seeing clowns like that thrashwanking about refs favouring us .
The comments on the BBC website are a real hoot. Still banging on about Umaga & O'Cudda Doided.
But the winner has to be the clown who tells us the "New Zealand Rugby Team did a long Harka to intimidate Garces".
Really? Brilliant!
@booboo said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
Really? Brilliant!
Yep. Since deleted by the BBC mods. Some of the comments are so outer space conspiracy theory, I'm thinking they're some form of on-line performance art.
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https://laws.worldrugby.org/?law=10&language=EN
Other than under Law 10.4c, an offside player can be put onside when:
An onside team-mate of that player moves past the offside player and is within or has re-entered the playing area.
An opponent of that player:
Carries the ball five metres; orPasses the ball; or
Kicks the ball; or
Intentionally touches the ball without gaining possession of it.
@NTA said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
https://laws.worldrugby.org/?law=10&language=EN
- Other than under Law 10.4c, an offside player can be put onside when:
An onside team-mate of that player moves past the offside player and is within or has re-entered the playing area.
An opponent of that player:
Carries the ball five metres; orPasses the ball; or
Kicks the ball; or
Intentionally touches the ball without gaining possession of it.
You have quoted the wrong law. Scroll down a bit.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
Short thoughts:
So much precision in the AB play - hardly any mistakes. Handling really impressive
Crotty didn't go off injured
BB at 15 is lethal on counter-attack
AB defence was outstanding. Ritchie has serious wheels
Bridge and Reece or BFA & Reiko. Who'd be an opposition coach?SA 11 & 14 look real class
Kolisi is a good captain - kept his team together when it could have fallen apartLike the way the ref let the game flow.
Glass half full?
@booboo said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
Glass half full?
He missed a few things but was generally consistent and didn't over-do the TMO crap. Thought he was OK.
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@NTA said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
https://laws.worldrugby.org/?law=10&language=EN
- Other than under Law 10.4c, an offside player can be put onside when:
An onside team-mate of that player moves past the offside player and is within or has re-entered the playing area.
An opponent of that player:
Carries the ball five metres; orPasses the ball; or
Kicks the ball; or
Intentionally touches the ball without gaining possession of it.
You have quoted the wrong law. Scroll down a bit.
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@booboo said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
Really? Brilliant!
Yep. Since deleted by the BBC mods. Some of the comments are so outer space conspiracy theory, I'm thinking they're some form of on-line performance art.
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
@booboo said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
Really? Brilliant!
Yep. Since deleted by the BBC mods. Some of the comments are so outer space conspiracy theory, I'm thinking they're some form of on-line performance art.
Proof that reports of Aura's demise were greatly exaggerated
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@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
Watched the game again , that helter skelter looking start from us ,
Although it looked messy, is there a definitive ploy to move the game away from structure where most of our rivals are more comfortable, and deliberately make it more chaotic to take them out of their comfort zones.
Mr Dry Powder says hi.
Great how we just turn the jets on for 20 minutes or so, just to give the opposition a taste of the powder, then put it away again
@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
Watched the game again , that helter skelter looking start from us ,
Although it looked messy, is there a definitive ploy to move the game away from structure where most of our rivals are more comfortable, and deliberately make it more chaotic to take them out of their comfort zones.
Mr Dry Powder says hi.
Great how we just turn the jets on for 20 minutes or so, just to give the opposition a taste of the powder, then put it away again
They appear as landed gentlemen enjoying a distracted Saturday afternoon cruise around the country estate in their Jaguar limousine, inspired by the pattern set by the Crusaders a decade or so ago; taking the purring prize up to top speed for a couple of sparkling five pointers just before pulling in for tea and scones, and coming out shortly after to put on some exhibition rugby for the second half.
I enjoy the comparison I can draw with Gary Whetton's All Blacks, who used burst onto the field as if in their growling GTHO Phase 3, cranking it out to 7,000 revs and leaving it there, monstering the opposition, being profligate with the powder and showing no mercy right from the jump.
I do wonder at times what Sir Steve puts before them as a challenge - with an 87% success rate their greatest threat is from within. It would be so easy to put together a couple of shockers and find themselves sliding backwards towards the other lot at 65 to 70%. They would surely struggle with the psychological impact of entering such foreign territory.
Ardie Savea impressed me again last night, a ton of energy and on the ball all the while, playing as if his life depends on it.
I'm still getting used to how they have redesigned the positions around Ardie and Sam Cane; and quite differently to the role of the bigger Jerome, Vito and Liam Messam.
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@Bovidae said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
@chimoaus said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
Saying a ref favours the ABs is pretty disrespectful to all of the professional refs. For starters that Barnes game and the Lions non offside penalty are two howlers that cost us big time.
Tbh I think it’s swings and roundabouts, If I gave a bigger fuck I would go through the game and highlight the poor calls against the ABs. From what I remember the penalty against Whitelock for interfering in the lineout was a shocker, in replay he makes an effort to avoid the bok lock.
I think the penalty was against Patty T who took a lifter out. But you never know with Garces.
One non-call that pissed me off was a high tackle on Ardie where the Bok player had him in a headlock.
Just watching the highlights on Fox.
Definitely got the impression Faeces signalled it against Sam.
And there was absolutely no contact initiated by the ABs. Pat T was lifting in front of SW and the Boks dropped their jumper on him.
Back to being a bullshit decision.
@booboo said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
Just watching the highlights on Fox.
Definitely got the impression Faeces signalled it against Sam.
And there was absolutely no contact initiated by the ABs. Pat T was lifting in front of SW and the Boks dropped their jumper on him.
Back to being a bullshit decision.
Refer to my caveat about Garces. But it probably did give him the impression that there was some form of contact in the air when there wasn't.
I see that the official penalty count was 9-4 not 10/11-2 as Rassie was saying.
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@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
Watched the game again , that helter skelter looking start from us ,
Although it looked messy, is there a definitive ploy to move the game away from structure where most of our rivals are more comfortable, and deliberately make it more chaotic to take them out of their comfort zones.
Mr Dry Powder says hi.
Great how we just turn the jets on for 20 minutes or so, just to give the opposition a taste of the powder, then put it away again
They appear as landed gentlemen enjoying a distracted Saturday afternoon cruise around the country estate in their Jaguar limousine, inspired by the pattern set by the Crusaders a decade or so ago; taking the purring prize up to top speed for a couple of sparkling five pointers just before pulling in for tea and scones, and coming out shortly after to put on some exhibition rugby for the second half.
I enjoy the comparison I can draw with Gary Whetton's All Blacks, who used burst onto the field as if in their growling GTHO Phase 3, cranking it out to 7,000 revs and leaving it there, monstering the opposition, being profligate with the powder and showing no mercy right from the jump.
I do wonder at times what Sir Steve puts before them as a challenge - with an 87% success rate their greatest threat is from within. It would be so easy to put together a couple of shockers and find themselves sliding backwards towards the other lot at 65 to 70%. They would surely struggle with the psychological impact of entering such foreign territory.
Ardie Savea impressed me again last night, a ton of energy and on the ball all the while, playing as if his life depends on it.
I'm still getting used to how they have redesigned the positions around Ardie and Sam Cane; and quite differently to the role of the bigger Jerome, Vito and Liam Messam.
@Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD Ardie made 3 or 4 crucial turnovers, and when he runs with ball in hand it looks like man vs boys sometimes
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@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
Watched the game again , that helter skelter looking start from us ,
Although it looked messy, is there a definitive ploy to move the game away from structure where most of our rivals are more comfortable, and deliberately make it more chaotic to take them out of their comfort zones.
Mr Dry Powder says hi.
Great how we just turn the jets on for 20 minutes or so, just to give the opposition a taste of the powder, then put it away again
They appear as landed gentlemen enjoying a distracted Saturday afternoon cruise around the country estate in their Jaguar limousine, inspired by the pattern set by the Crusaders a decade or so ago; taking the purring prize up to top speed for a couple of sparkling five pointers just before pulling in for tea and scones, and coming out shortly after to put on some exhibition rugby for the second half.
I enjoy the comparison I can draw with Gary Whetton's All Blacks, who used burst onto the field as if in their growling GTHO Phase 3, cranking it out to 7,000 revs and leaving it there, monstering the opposition, being profligate with the powder and showing no mercy right from the jump.
I do wonder at times what Sir Steve puts before them as a challenge - with an 87% success rate their greatest threat is from within. It would be so easy to put together a couple of shockers and find themselves sliding backwards towards the other lot at 65 to 70%. They would surely struggle with the psychological impact of entering such foreign territory.
Ardie Savea impressed me again last night, a ton of energy and on the ball all the while, playing as if his life depends on it.
I'm still getting used to how they have redesigned the positions around Ardie and Sam Cane; and quite differently to the role of the bigger Jerome, Vito and Liam Messam.
@Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
I'm still getting used to how they have redesigned the positions around Ardie and Sam Cane; and quite differently to the role of the bigger Jerome, Vito and Liam Messam.
Sam Cane gets thru a power of unsung work. Taking nothing way from Ardie, but Cane is just as key a player for me.
The current 6-7-8 could really develop into something special
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@Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
I'm still getting used to how they have redesigned the positions around Ardie and Sam Cane; and quite differently to the role of the bigger Jerome, Vito and Liam Messam.
Sam Cane gets thru a power of unsung work. Taking nothing way from Ardie, but Cane is just as key a player for me.
The current 6-7-8 could really develop into something special
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
@Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
I'm still getting used to how they have redesigned the positions around Ardie and Sam Cane; and quite differently to the role of the bigger Jerome, Vito and Liam Messam.
Sam Cane gets thru a power of unsung work. Taking nothing way from Ardie, but Cane is just as key a player for me.
The current 6-7-8 could really develop into something special
Oh yeah, for sure. I don't think it was a coincidence that when he went off we lost control of the gain line and breakdown
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@Darren said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
First time I think I’ve seen our scrum dominate the boks. Massive effort.
Can't say I agree. Felt the Boks were on top in most scrums and Moody was fairly lucky not to get penalised in the first two scrums. Not convinced about Angus. Ofa is a better tighthead than a loosehead so they would have been better off selecting him as the reserve tighthead imo and picking big Karl as the reserve loosehead.
@akan004 said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
Can't say I agree. Felt the Boks were on top in most scrums and Moody was fairly lucky not to get penalised in the first two scrums.
I was surprised when Moody wasn't penalised there as he clearly had his hand on the ground.
The biggest challenge for the scrum will be against NH opposition as they aren't as familiar and the technique can be different.
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@booboo said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
Just watching the highlights on Fox.
Definitely got the impression Faeces signalled it against Sam.
And there was absolutely no contact initiated by the ABs. Pat T was lifting in front of SW and the Boks dropped their jumper on him.
Back to being a bullshit decision.
Refer to my caveat about Garces. But it probably did give him the impression that there was some form of contact in the air when there wasn't.
I see that the official penalty count was 9-4 not 10/11-2 as Rassie was saying.
@Bovidae said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
@booboo said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
Just watching the highlights on Fox.
Definitely got the impression Faeces signalled it against Sam.
And there was absolutely no contact initiated by the ABs. Pat T was lifting in front of SW and the Boks dropped their jumper on him.
Back to being a bullshit decision.
Refer to my caveat about Garces. But it probably did give him the impression that there was some form of contact in the air when there wasn't.
I see that the official penalty count was 9-4 not 10/11-2 as Rassie was saying.
2 of the 4 penalties against NZ were horseshit tbh. The Faf milk on Laulala and the Whitelock lineout penalty.
Great discipline by NZ actually.
Were lucky on the Vermeulen attempt TO, though, usually that goes with the latcher. Was also a strange 1 minute period of ruck free for all late in second half we were lucky in. Nothing else really. Maybe 2 x Moody hand down in scrum, although 1 of those could gave gone nz way anyway due to Malherbe's bind on Moody arm IIRC.
Really was excellent discipline.
I thought SAF were unlucky on 2 knockon calls actually.
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@akan004 said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
Can't say I agree. Felt the Boks were on top in most scrums and Moody was fairly lucky not to get penalised in the first two scrums.
I was surprised when Moody wasn't penalised there as he clearly had his hand on the ground.
The biggest challenge for the scrum will be against NH opposition as they aren't as familiar and the technique can be different.
@Bovidae I think as the ball got to the back Garces wanted the scrum to be over rather than reset, given when he dropped it there was zero impact on the scrum and made sense to let it go.
Couple of overheads you could see Kitsoff boring in, but they were let go too.
I prefer that than endless resets we get sometimes.
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@Bovidae said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
@booboo said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
Just watching the highlights on Fox.
Definitely got the impression Faeces signalled it against Sam.
And there was absolutely no contact initiated by the ABs. Pat T was lifting in front of SW and the Boks dropped their jumper on him.
Back to being a bullshit decision.
Refer to my caveat about Garces. But it probably did give him the impression that there was some form of contact in the air when there wasn't.
I see that the official penalty count was 9-4 not 10/11-2 as Rassie was saying.
2 of the 4 penalties against NZ were horseshit tbh. The Faf milk on Laulala and the Whitelock lineout penalty.
Great discipline by NZ actually.
Were lucky on the Vermeulen attempt TO, though, usually that goes with the latcher. Was also a strange 1 minute period of ruck free for all late in second half we were lucky in. Nothing else really. Maybe 2 x Moody hand down in scrum, although 1 of those could gave gone nz way anyway due to Malherbe's bind on Moody arm IIRC.
Really was excellent discipline.
I thought SAF were unlucky on 2 knockon calls actually.
@Rapido although a couple of forward passes they got away with made up...one was on one of Colbys electric runs...think was the last few mins they were over the ball for an age and didnt get it.
I know it's hard to look with both eyes open at the time but I think both teams can feel aggrieved/lucky with some calls.
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@Damo same principle - and if memory serves, no more rucks were formed in a way that puts steph du toit offside.
@NTA said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
@Damo same principle - and if memory serves, no more rucks were formed in a way that puts steph du toit offside.
I think there was a ruck formed prior to the pass which was intercepted.
I am agnostic as to whether it was offside or not. I reckon an AB may have ran 5m with the ball and/or we had reached the advantage line prior to the intercept. SDT was retreating. It looked really bad, but ref might have been right to let it go.
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I see some are having a moan about the 'disrespect' shown during the Haka by opposition fans.
Fark some people are so precious they need to pull their farking heads in.
It is sport, fans can react how they like.
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I see some are having a moan about the 'disrespect' shown during the Haka by opposition fans.
Fark some people are so precious they need to pull their farking heads in.
It is sport, fans can react how they like.
@taniwharugby said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):
I see some are having a moan about the 'disrespect' shown during the Haka by opposition fans.
Fark some people are so precious they need to pull their farking heads in.
It is sport, fans can react how they like.
Spot on. You can say you find it disrespectful, and ask people to do something, but it's up to them. LIke me booing kickers, I know some people find it disrespectful, but frankly I don't care
