RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2)
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@nzzp said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
I know, right! Like we've got World Rugby and the refs in our pocket.
You forgot we control the weather in Japan as well.
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@nzzp said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
I know, right! Like we've got World Rugby and the refs in our pocket.
You forgot we control the weather in Japan as well.
What do you mean? We got the hurricane in so we could have an extra weeks break in the build up to the knock out stages.
Just how far do we need to go to make some of you lot believe?
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@nzzp said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
This is quality.
Side that has no knockout wins thinks NZ are mentally weak. Lads, you're 12 years too late.
https://www.the42.ie/kiwi-world-cup-doubt-all-blacks-new-zealand-chokers-4853760-Oct2019/
That was such a painful read. They even pulled out the whole Beaver-penalty-not-really-going-over-in-2011 thing.
@TeWaio said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@nzzp said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
This is quality.
Side that has no knockout wins thinks NZ are mentally weak. Lads, you're 12 years too late.
https://www.the42.ie/kiwi-world-cup-doubt-all-blacks-new-zealand-chokers-4853760-Oct2019/
That was such a painful read. They even pulled out the whole Beaver-penalty-not-really-going-over-in-2011 thing.
I haven't read it but I thought that was supposed to be a good place for rugby journalism?
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A handy reference to the difference between UK, Great Britain and the British Isles
@PecoTrain said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
A handy reference to the difference between UK, Great Britain and the British Isles
Fake news.
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@TeWaio said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@nzzp said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
This is quality.
Side that has no knockout wins thinks NZ are mentally weak. Lads, you're 12 years too late.
https://www.the42.ie/kiwi-world-cup-doubt-all-blacks-new-zealand-chokers-4853760-Oct2019/
That was such a painful read. They even pulled out the whole Beaver-penalty-not-really-going-over-in-2011 thing.
I haven't read it but I thought that was supposed to be a good place for rugby journalism?
@Nepia said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@TeWaio said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@nzzp said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
This is quality.
Side that has no knockout wins thinks NZ are mentally weak. Lads, you're 12 years too late.
https://www.the42.ie/kiwi-world-cup-doubt-all-blacks-new-zealand-chokers-4853760-Oct2019/
That was such a painful read. They even pulled out the whole Beaver-penalty-not-really-going-over-in-2011 thing.
I haven't read it but I thought that was supposed to be a good place for rugby journalism?
So did I . It’s Ireland based isn’t it? I guess in all the excitement they reverted to type. Tomorrow’s article will either be about the haka or poaching
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Anyone have access to the IE article re AB's letting themselves down by sticking with Reece? I've just seen the back page as a screenshot.
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@Snowy said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
"loyalty to a particular team"
Yeah Joe...looked in a mirror recently?
Such a petty comment there snowy. The mans not allowed to coach abroad no?
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@Snowy said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
"loyalty to a particular team"
Yeah Joe...looked in a mirror recently?
Such a petty comment there snowy. The mans not allowed to coach abroad no?
@The-Irishman said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Snowy said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
"loyalty to a particular team"
Yeah Joe...looked in a mirror recently?
Such a petty comment there snowy. The mans not allowed to coach abroad no?
Personally think it's a good idea overseas teams use NZ coaches.
Would get pretty boring winning every game against NH teams by 20-30 points all the time....
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@Snowy said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
"loyalty to a particular team"
Yeah Joe...looked in a mirror recently?
Such a petty comment there snowy. The mans not allowed to coach abroad no?
@The-Irishman said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Snowy said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
"loyalty to a particular team"
Yeah Joe...looked in a mirror recently?
Such a petty comment there snowy. The mans not allowed to coach abroad no?
Its not like he left the AB setup and went directly to coach Ireland. Man's got to work.... Besides its almost time for secret agent Joe to push the self destruct button on his team
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@The-Irishman said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Snowy said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
"loyalty to a particular team"
Yeah Joe...looked in a mirror recently?
Such a petty comment there snowy. The mans not allowed to coach abroad no?
Its not like he left the AB setup and went directly to coach Ireland. Man's got to work.... Besides its almost time for secret agent Joe to push the self destruct button on his team
@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@The-Irishman said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Snowy said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
"loyalty to a particular team"
Yeah Joe...looked in a mirror recently?
Such a petty comment there snowy. The mans not allowed to coach abroad no?
Its not like he left the AB setup and went directly to coach Ireland. Man's got to work.... Besides its almost time for secret agent Joe to push the self destruct button on his team
Who's coaching them after the RWC? Must be about time Agent Deans got back in the ring.
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@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@The-Irishman said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Snowy said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
"loyalty to a particular team"
Yeah Joe...looked in a mirror recently?
Such a petty comment there snowy. The mans not allowed to coach abroad no?
Its not like he left the AB setup and went directly to coach Ireland. Man's got to work.... Besides its almost time for secret agent Joe to push the self destruct button on his team
Who's coaching them after the RWC? Must be about time Agent Deans got back in the ring.
@Bones said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@The-Irishman said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Snowy said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
"loyalty to a particular team"
Yeah Joe...looked in a mirror recently?
Such a petty comment there snowy. The mans not allowed to coach abroad no?
Its not like he left the AB setup and went directly to coach Ireland. Man's got to work.... Besides its almost time for secret agent Joe to push the self destruct button on his team
Who's coaching them after the RWC? Must be about time Agent Deans got back in the ring.
He's in Japan at the moment? If he doesn't get the ABs gig maybe secret agent Razor can go? 00 Dave Rennie is currently positioning himself to take over the dumpster fire that is Scotland
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@Bones said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@The-Irishman said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Snowy said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
"loyalty to a particular team"
Yeah Joe...looked in a mirror recently?
Such a petty comment there snowy. The mans not allowed to coach abroad no?
Its not like he left the AB setup and went directly to coach Ireland. Man's got to work.... Besides its almost time for secret agent Joe to push the self destruct button on his team
Who's coaching them after the RWC? Must be about time Agent Deans got back in the ring.
He's in Japan at the moment? If he doesn't get the ABs gig maybe secret agent Razor can go? 00 Dave Rennie is currently positioning himself to take over the dumpster fire that is Scotland
@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Bones said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@The-Irishman said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Snowy said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
"loyalty to a particular team"
Yeah Joe...looked in a mirror recently?
Such a petty comment there snowy. The mans not allowed to coach abroad no?
Its not like he left the AB setup and went directly to coach Ireland. Man's got to work.... Besides its almost time for secret agent Joe to push the self destruct button on his team
Who's coaching them after the RWC? Must be about time Agent Deans got back in the ring.
He's in Japan at the moment? If he doesn't get the ABs gig maybe secret agent Razor can go? 00 Dave Rennie is currently positioning himself to take over the dumpster fire that is Scotland
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@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Bones said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@The-Irishman said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Snowy said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
"loyalty to a particular team"
Yeah Joe...looked in a mirror recently?
Such a petty comment there snowy. The mans not allowed to coach abroad no?
Its not like he left the AB setup and went directly to coach Ireland. Man's got to work.... Besides its almost time for secret agent Joe to push the self destruct button on his team
Who's coaching them after the RWC? Must be about time Agent Deans got back in the ring.
He's in Japan at the moment? If he doesn't get the ABs gig maybe secret agent Razor can go? 00 Dave Rennie is currently positioning himself to take over the dumpster fire that is Scotland
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@No-Quarter said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
I remember 2007 , rotation was blamed by some . Still not sure how that lost that game.
Simples. France adapted better to the Ref than we did.
Yeah, amazing that they were able to adapt to a ref that only penalised the other team while ignoring all of their countless indiscretions. They really had to think on their feet there.
I’ve never watched that game again , although seen the tries in highlights ,
Serious question because I can’t remember, Did he penalise us in the second half ?
I was under the impression he just put the whistle away in general under pressure , but it affected us more because we had all the ball .
@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Serious question because I can’t remember, Did he penalise us in the second half ?
The penalty count was 10-2, I can't find a half time break down - but we didn't get one in the last 60 minutes from memory? Must have been at least 3-4 in the second half for the French.
A lot is made of the forward pass, or yellow card, but from a purely statistical perspective the odds of having 70% possession/territory and being negative 8 on the penalty count is impossible without incompetent (wilful or not) refereeing.
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@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Nepia said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Nepia said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@WillieTheWaiter said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Snowy said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
France adapted better to the Ref than we did.
France adapted better to the lack of a ref than we did.
McCaw's captaincy, or lack of, was also a key factor. He was anything but Mr Cool, calm and collected in that game.
yep. who can forget the frogs scoring and the AB's being in a huddle and richie just off to the side..
who else should have been captain in that team though?Tana (the player and captain, not the coach - Blues fans) should have held on to the RWC, I'm convinced that in that alternate timeline we win.
The same Tana that was showing major signs in the back end of 2004 and into 2005 that he had slowed significantly?
Can you keep your alternate Cantab facts out of this please? I'm trying to get a senior player on the field who'll get the team to set for a drop goal at some stage.
Heading into the 2007 RWC Aaron Mauger had made the most drop goals of any player in the squad and yet he was sitting in the stands for the QF. Shocker....
Would his captain have let him kick a drop goal?
Would 3 points have won us the game if we didn't have our best attacking player on the field?
Would he have missed frequently like Mehrts did in 1995?The player on the field didn't matter, it was the decision not to set for one that was the issue.
@Nepia said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Nepia said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Nepia said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@WillieTheWaiter said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Snowy said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
France adapted better to the Ref than we did.
France adapted better to the lack of a ref than we did.
McCaw's captaincy, or lack of, was also a key factor. He was anything but Mr Cool, calm and collected in that game.
yep. who can forget the frogs scoring and the AB's being in a huddle and richie just off to the side..
who else should have been captain in that team though?Tana (the player and captain, not the coach - Blues fans) should have held on to the RWC, I'm convinced that in that alternate timeline we win.
The same Tana that was showing major signs in the back end of 2004 and into 2005 that he had slowed significantly?
Can you keep your alternate Cantab facts out of this please? I'm trying to get a senior player on the field who'll get the team to set for a drop goal at some stage.
Heading into the 2007 RWC Aaron Mauger had made the most drop goals of any player in the squad and yet he was sitting in the stands for the QF. Shocker....
Would his captain have let him kick a drop goal?
Would 3 points have won us the game if we didn't have our best attacking player on the field?
Would he have missed frequently like Mehrts did in 1995?The player on the field didn't matter, it was the decision not to set for one that was the issue.
I have no issue with not going for the drop goal.
The French levelled it at the end of McAllister's yellow card around the 56th minute. For the next 6 minutes the ABs marched up the field with impunity ending with a (fairly easy) try up the guts from Rodders.
Then between pretty much immediately the forward pass happens and France are up by two... and there is only 12 minutes on the clock.
Given they were on their third string 10, the ease with which they scored the last time they had the ball and that holding the ball had going for a try/penalty had been the right move in every close ABs test so far that decade often against us Eales kick, Kefu try, Burke penalty, Rustenburg etc. I think it was the right call.
Also hard to fault the players in the moment for feeling like a penalty was coming - you could feel the pressure mounting and that one was overdue. It's akin to bowling at a batsman and to have them playing and missing, edging just short of slips for half an hour... it would be pretty counter intuitive for the captain to pull the bowler off because he isn't taking a wicket.
Dumb game but it set up the next eight years and was probably worth it. It meant Ted hung around longer, we avoided a Deans coaching spell, Carter may well have left fully in 2009 (or 2011 at the latest). A lot of dividends.
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@taniwharugby said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Pity the horrible loss had to happen
when I was at the gameat RWC 2019er, slip??
Yeah. Big mistake accepting that match ticket. Curse of the Meldrew's really struck that night
@Victor-Meldrew at least you didn’t fly 12 hours to watch your team lose to 4 minutes of rugby with your wife’s curses ringing in your ears...
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@Nepia said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Nepia said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Nepia said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@WillieTheWaiter said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Snowy said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
France adapted better to the Ref than we did.
France adapted better to the lack of a ref than we did.
McCaw's captaincy, or lack of, was also a key factor. He was anything but Mr Cool, calm and collected in that game.
yep. who can forget the frogs scoring and the AB's being in a huddle and richie just off to the side..
who else should have been captain in that team though?Tana (the player and captain, not the coach - Blues fans) should have held on to the RWC, I'm convinced that in that alternate timeline we win.
The same Tana that was showing major signs in the back end of 2004 and into 2005 that he had slowed significantly?
Can you keep your alternate Cantab facts out of this please? I'm trying to get a senior player on the field who'll get the team to set for a drop goal at some stage.
Heading into the 2007 RWC Aaron Mauger had made the most drop goals of any player in the squad and yet he was sitting in the stands for the QF. Shocker....
Would his captain have let him kick a drop goal?
Would 3 points have won us the game if we didn't have our best attacking player on the field?
Would he have missed frequently like Mehrts did in 1995?The player on the field didn't matter, it was the decision not to set for one that was the issue.
I have no issue with not going for the drop goal.
The French levelled it at the end of McAllister's yellow card around the 56th minute. For the next 6 minutes the ABs marched up the field with impunity ending with a (fairly easy) try up the guts from Rodders.
Then between pretty much immediately the forward pass happens and France are up by two... and there is only 12 minutes on the clock.
Given they were on their third string 10, the ease with which they scored the last time they had the ball and that holding the ball had going for a try/penalty had been the right move in every close ABs test so far that decade often against us Eales kick, Kefu try, Burke penalty, Rustenburg etc. I think it was the right call.
Also hard to fault the players in the moment for feeling like a penalty was coming - you could feel the pressure mounting and that one was overdue. It's akin to bowling at a batsman and to have them playing and missing, edging just short of slips for half an hour... it would be pretty counter intuitive for the captain to pull the bowler off because he isn't taking a wicket.
Dumb game but it set up the next eight years and was probably worth it. It meant Ted hung around longer, we avoided a Deans coaching spell, Carter may well have left fully in 2009 (or 2011 at the latest). A lot of dividends.
@rotated said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
A lot of dividends.
Didn't bloody well feel like it at the time.....
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@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Serious question because I can’t remember, Did he penalise us in the second half ?
The penalty count was 10-2, I can't find a half time break down - but we didn't get one in the last 60 minutes from memory? Must have been at least 3-4 in the second half for the French.
A lot is made of the forward pass, or yellow card, but from a purely statistical perspective the odds of having 70% possession/territory and being negative 8 on the penalty count is impossible without incompetent (wilful or not) refereeing.
@rotated said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Serious question because I can’t remember, Did he penalise us in the second half ?
The penalty count was 10-2, I can't find a half time break down - but we didn't get one in the last 60 minutes from memory? Must have been at least 3-4 in the second half for the French.
A lot is made of the forward pass, or yellow card, but from a purely statistical perspective the odds of having 70% possession/territory and being negative 8 on the penalty count is impossible without incompetent (wilful or not) refereeing.
Cheers , I read in one of your other posts it set up the next 8 years , I guess that was the good to come out of it, it was a turning point , and we had some great times afterwards.
The worst part of that game, I kept belief we would win it , it felt like it was coming , then it didnt happen
