RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2)
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@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Nepia said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Nepia said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@WillieTheWaiter said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Snowy said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
France adapted better to the Ref than we did.
France adapted better to the lack of a ref than we did.
McCaw's captaincy, or lack of, was also a key factor. He was anything but Mr Cool, calm and collected in that game.
yep. who can forget the frogs scoring and the AB's being in a huddle and richie just off to the side..
who else should have been captain in that team though?Tana (the player and captain, not the coach - Blues fans) should have held on to the RWC, I'm convinced that in that alternate timeline we win.
The same Tana that was showing major signs in the back end of 2004 and into 2005 that he had slowed significantly?
Can you keep your alternate Cantab facts out of this please? I'm trying to get a senior player on the field who'll get the team to set for a drop goal at some stage.
Heading into the 2007 RWC Aaron Mauger had made the most drop goals of any player in the squad and yet he was sitting in the stands for the QF. Shocker....
Would his captain have let him kick a drop goal?
Would 3 points have won us the game if we didn't have our best attacking player on the field?
Would he have missed frequently like Mehrts did in 1995?The player on the field didn't matter, it was the decision not to set for one that was the issue.
@Nepia said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Nepia said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Nepia said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@WillieTheWaiter said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Snowy said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
France adapted better to the Ref than we did.
France adapted better to the lack of a ref than we did.
McCaw's captaincy, or lack of, was also a key factor. He was anything but Mr Cool, calm and collected in that game.
yep. who can forget the frogs scoring and the AB's being in a huddle and richie just off to the side..
who else should have been captain in that team though?Tana (the player and captain, not the coach - Blues fans) should have held on to the RWC, I'm convinced that in that alternate timeline we win.
The same Tana that was showing major signs in the back end of 2004 and into 2005 that he had slowed significantly?
Can you keep your alternate Cantab facts out of this please? I'm trying to get a senior player on the field who'll get the team to set for a drop goal at some stage.
Heading into the 2007 RWC Aaron Mauger had made the most drop goals of any player in the squad and yet he was sitting in the stands for the QF. Shocker....
Would his captain have let him kick a drop goal?
Would 3 points have won us the game if we didn't have our best attacking player on the field?
Would he have missed frequently like Mehrts did in 1995?The player on the field didn't matter, it was the decision not to set for one that was the issue.
I have no issue with not going for the drop goal.
The French levelled it at the end of McAllister's yellow card around the 56th minute. For the next 6 minutes the ABs marched up the field with impunity ending with a (fairly easy) try up the guts from Rodders.
Then between pretty much immediately the forward pass happens and France are up by two... and there is only 12 minutes on the clock.
Given they were on their third string 10, the ease with which they scored the last time they had the ball and that holding the ball had going for a try/penalty had been the right move in every close ABs test so far that decade often against us Eales kick, Kefu try, Burke penalty, Rustenburg etc. I think it was the right call.
Also hard to fault the players in the moment for feeling like a penalty was coming - you could feel the pressure mounting and that one was overdue. It's akin to bowling at a batsman and to have them playing and missing, edging just short of slips for half an hour... it would be pretty counter intuitive for the captain to pull the bowler off because he isn't taking a wicket.
Dumb game but it set up the next eight years and was probably worth it. It meant Ted hung around longer, we avoided a Deans coaching spell, Carter may well have left fully in 2009 (or 2011 at the latest). A lot of dividends.
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@taniwharugby said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Pity the horrible loss had to happen
when I was at the gameat RWC 2019er, slip??
Yeah. Big mistake accepting that match ticket. Curse of the Meldrew's really struck that night
@Victor-Meldrew at least you didn’t fly 12 hours to watch your team lose to 4 minutes of rugby with your wife’s curses ringing in your ears...
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@Nepia said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Nepia said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Nepia said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@WillieTheWaiter said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Snowy said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
France adapted better to the Ref than we did.
France adapted better to the lack of a ref than we did.
McCaw's captaincy, or lack of, was also a key factor. He was anything but Mr Cool, calm and collected in that game.
yep. who can forget the frogs scoring and the AB's being in a huddle and richie just off to the side..
who else should have been captain in that team though?Tana (the player and captain, not the coach - Blues fans) should have held on to the RWC, I'm convinced that in that alternate timeline we win.
The same Tana that was showing major signs in the back end of 2004 and into 2005 that he had slowed significantly?
Can you keep your alternate Cantab facts out of this please? I'm trying to get a senior player on the field who'll get the team to set for a drop goal at some stage.
Heading into the 2007 RWC Aaron Mauger had made the most drop goals of any player in the squad and yet he was sitting in the stands for the QF. Shocker....
Would his captain have let him kick a drop goal?
Would 3 points have won us the game if we didn't have our best attacking player on the field?
Would he have missed frequently like Mehrts did in 1995?The player on the field didn't matter, it was the decision not to set for one that was the issue.
I have no issue with not going for the drop goal.
The French levelled it at the end of McAllister's yellow card around the 56th minute. For the next 6 minutes the ABs marched up the field with impunity ending with a (fairly easy) try up the guts from Rodders.
Then between pretty much immediately the forward pass happens and France are up by two... and there is only 12 minutes on the clock.
Given they were on their third string 10, the ease with which they scored the last time they had the ball and that holding the ball had going for a try/penalty had been the right move in every close ABs test so far that decade often against us Eales kick, Kefu try, Burke penalty, Rustenburg etc. I think it was the right call.
Also hard to fault the players in the moment for feeling like a penalty was coming - you could feel the pressure mounting and that one was overdue. It's akin to bowling at a batsman and to have them playing and missing, edging just short of slips for half an hour... it would be pretty counter intuitive for the captain to pull the bowler off because he isn't taking a wicket.
Dumb game but it set up the next eight years and was probably worth it. It meant Ted hung around longer, we avoided a Deans coaching spell, Carter may well have left fully in 2009 (or 2011 at the latest). A lot of dividends.
@rotated said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
A lot of dividends.
Didn't bloody well feel like it at the time.....
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@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Serious question because I can’t remember, Did he penalise us in the second half ?
The penalty count was 10-2, I can't find a half time break down - but we didn't get one in the last 60 minutes from memory? Must have been at least 3-4 in the second half for the French.
A lot is made of the forward pass, or yellow card, but from a purely statistical perspective the odds of having 70% possession/territory and being negative 8 on the penalty count is impossible without incompetent (wilful or not) refereeing.
@rotated said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Serious question because I can’t remember, Did he penalise us in the second half ?
The penalty count was 10-2, I can't find a half time break down - but we didn't get one in the last 60 minutes from memory? Must have been at least 3-4 in the second half for the French.
A lot is made of the forward pass, or yellow card, but from a purely statistical perspective the odds of having 70% possession/territory and being negative 8 on the penalty count is impossible without incompetent (wilful or not) refereeing.
Cheers , I read in one of your other posts it set up the next 8 years , I guess that was the good to come out of it, it was a turning point , and we had some great times afterwards.
The worst part of that game, I kept belief we would win it , it felt like it was coming , then it didnt happen
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@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Serious question because I can’t remember, Did he penalise us in the second half ?
The penalty count was 10-2, I can't find a half time break down - but we didn't get one in the last 60 minutes from memory? Must have been at least 3-4 in the second half for the French.
A lot is made of the forward pass, or yellow card, but from a purely statistical perspective the odds of having 70% possession/territory and being negative 8 on the penalty count is impossible without incompetent (wilful or not) refereeing.
@rotated said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
A lot is made of the forward pass, or yellow card, but from a purely statistical perspective the odds of having 70% possession/territory and being negative 8 on the penalty count is impossible without incompetent (wilful or not) refereeing.
The reffing WAS appalling.
The way the ABs reacted/adapted to that situation was even worse
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Steve's confident. Are you?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12277556
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A handy reference to the difference between UK, Great Britain and the British Isles
@PecoTrain said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
A handy reference to the difference between UK, Great Britain and the British Isles
None of that is news to me, but many residents of the British Isles, but NOT Great Britain, consider themselves British.
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I think the part that doesn’t get enough mention,
Losing carter and Evans in quick succession was fucken massive , particularly Evans , who looked like he was about to add some much needed spark when he broke the line, then he was gone.
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@Snowy said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
"loyalty to a particular team"
Yeah Joe...looked in a mirror recently?
Such a petty comment there snowy. The mans not allowed to coach abroad no?
@The-Irishman said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Snowy said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
"loyalty to a particular team"
Yeah Joe...looked in a mirror recently?
Such a petty comment there snowy. The mans not allowed to coach abroad no?
Just found the comments in the article a bit odd about calling Ronan with him being Irish and having loyalties elsewhere. He should also know just as much about NZ rugby given that he is a Kiwi. Nothing petty about it.
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@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Serious question because I can’t remember, Did he penalise us in the second half ?
The penalty count was 10-2, I can't find a half time break down - but we didn't get one in the last 60 minutes from memory? Must have been at least 3-4 in the second half for the French.
A lot is made of the forward pass, or yellow card, but from a purely statistical perspective the odds of having 70% possession/territory and being negative 8 on the penalty count is impossible without incompetent (wilful or not) refereeing.
@rotated said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Serious question because I can’t remember, Did he penalise us in the second half ?
The penalty count was 10-2, I can't find a half time break down - but we didn't get one in the last 60 minutes from memory? Must have been at least 3-4 in the second half for the French.
A lot is made of the forward pass, or yellow card, but from a purely statistical perspective the odds of having 70% possession/territory and being negative 8 on the penalty count is impossible without incompetent (wilful or not) refereeing.
Pretty sure that you have all of that correct.
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@rotated said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
A lot of dividends.
Didn't bloody well feel like it at the time.....
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@rotated said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
A lot of dividends.
Didn't bloody well feel like it at the time.....
Your sacrifice to the greater good had been noted
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@The-Irishman said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Snowy said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
"loyalty to a particular team"
Yeah Joe...looked in a mirror recently?
Such a petty comment there snowy. The mans not allowed to coach abroad no?
Just found the comments in the article a bit odd about calling Ronan with him being Irish and having loyalties elsewhere. He should also know just as much about NZ rugby given that he is a Kiwi. Nothing petty about it.
@Snowy said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@The-Irishman said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Snowy said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
"loyalty to a particular team"
Yeah Joe...looked in a mirror recently?
Such a petty comment there snowy. The mans not allowed to coach abroad no?
Just found the comments in the article a bit odd about calling Ronan with him being Irish and having loyalties elsewhere. He should also know just as much about NZ rugby given that he is a Kiwi. Nothing petty about it.
But Ronan has inside knowledge on Richie which would be valuable because he hasn't played enough test footy for teams to fully analyze him yet. Joe has no knowledge of the inner workings of the current AB setup that could help Ireland
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Irish Journalistic (or should that be Jingoistic) bingo:
Haka questioned? Check.
All Blacks cynical cheats? Check
Poaching? Not yet
Pick on individual's off field behaviour? Check ...Ireland taking the moral high ground ...
Gutter level IMO.
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Irish Journalistic (or should that be Jingoistic) bingo:
Haka questioned? Check.
All Blacks cynical cheats? Check
Poaching? Not yet
Pick on individual's off field behaviour? Check ...Ireland taking the moral high ground ...
Gutter level IMO.
@booboo shows they are worried about another 1/4 exit...
Someone should ask these muppets about the Cibi, Sipi Tau and Sivi Tsu and why they don't attract similar attention...or why Munster were allowed to do one in that mid week match some years back...
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@Snowy said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@The-Irishman said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Snowy said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
"loyalty to a particular team"
Yeah Joe...looked in a mirror recently?
Such a petty comment there snowy. The mans not allowed to coach abroad no?
Just found the comments in the article a bit odd about calling Ronan with him being Irish and having loyalties elsewhere. He should also know just as much about NZ rugby given that he is a Kiwi. Nothing petty about it.
But Ronan has inside knowledge on Richie which would be valuable because he hasn't played enough test footy for teams to fully analyze him yet. Joe has no knowledge of the inner workings of the current AB setup that could help Ireland
@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
But Ronan has inside knowledge on Richie which would be valuable because he hasn't played enough test footy for teams to fully analyze him yet.
I doubt that Ronan knows much about Richie that they can't see from Crusaders and AB matches. Maybe what he has for breakfast or something? That is probably the real reason why Joe didn't bother calling him, there wasn't much to learn.
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@Snowy said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
"loyalty to a particular team"
Yeah Joe...looked in a mirror recently?
Such a petty comment there snowy. The mans not allowed to coach abroad no?
@The-Irishman said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Snowy said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
"loyalty to a particular team"
Yeah Joe...looked in a mirror recently?
Such a petty comment there snowy. The mans not allowed to coach abroad no?
He surely is - as long as he realises that under The Treason Act (1922) - if he wins, we're going to stick him against a wall and shoot him!
Joe's got away incredibly lightly - compared to when Robbie Deans coached Australia.
To say something nice about him - at least Chieka is lining up on the side of the Loyalist coaches along with Hansen, Erasmus and Brunel.
I'm not averse to seeing them overcome the traitors, Jones, Gatland, Joseph and Schmidt!
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@The-Irishman said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Snowy said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
"loyalty to a particular team"
Yeah Joe...looked in a mirror recently?
Such a petty comment there snowy. The mans not allowed to coach abroad no?
He surely is - as long as he realises that under The Treason Act (1922) - if he wins, we're going to stick him against a wall and shoot him!
Joe's got away incredibly lightly - compared to when Robbie Deans coached Australia.
To say something nice about him - at least Chieka is lining up on the side of the Loyalist coaches along with Hansen, Erasmus and Brunel.
I'm not averse to seeing them overcome the traitors, Jones, Gatland, Joseph and Schmidt!
@Chris-B said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
He surely is - as long as he realises that under The Treason Act (1922) - if he wins, we're going to stick him against a wall and shoot him!
If the authorities get to him before I do. Otherwise he is a coat.
I don't really have a problem with Joe, he actually hasn't been a whiney, bitchy type unlike some of the Irish press who get paid to be so. Some other coaches are of that ilk as well.
There also seems to be a question over where is originally from. Herald says Kaiwaka, Wiki says Kawakawa.If we lose tonight and I have to make a coat, Kaiwaka would be more convenient, hence me looking it up.
