RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1)
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@DMX Interesting your view on the Barret v Mo'unga discussion. I've never felt that Barrett was a fantastic fly half - and I realise that this may lead to me being virtual lynched on here, but to me he does not seem to fit too well for some of the key duties of a 10. His kicking game is a bit off, his game management is not up there with the likes of say Carter, BUT he is without doubt a fantastic, almost freakish, rugby player and has to play. I can see the argument for having him at 10 as he is so good that you want to get the ball to him as often and as quickly as possible, but I think I agree with you that the extra space he gets at 15 is perhaps more suited and allied to that, you have a bloody good 10 in Mo'unga to bring a little more control to the game.
A very nice problem to have.
Off to dig a trench and search for my tin hat...
@Catogrande said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@DMX Interesting your view on the Barret v Mo'unga discussion. I've never felt that Barrett was a fantastic fly half - and I realise that this may lead to me being virtual lynched on here, but to me he does not seem to fit too well for some of the key duties of a 10. His kicking game is a bit off, his game management is not up there with the likes of say Carter, BUT he is without doubt a fantastic, almost freakish, rugby player and has to play. I can see the argument for having him at 10 as he is so good that you want to get the ball to him as often and as quickly as possible, but I think I agree with you that the extra space he gets at 15 is perhaps more suited and allied to that, you have a bloody good 10 in Mo'unga to bring a little more control to the game.
A very nice problem to have.
Off to dig a trench and search for my tin hat...
man, i am with you. I got lynched for saying Barrett was a poor 10 but a fantastic rugby player. The Hurricanes faithful are a little sensitive.
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Some milestones going into the game according to wiki.
Read will tie with Fitzy for 2nd most games as captain.
BB scores any points he overtakes fox to go third all time.
He is also on top ten try scorers of all time which in itself is crazy considering how much he played fly half. -
@Magpie_in_aus If AB stats are up-to-date, Kieran Read needs one more try to tie with Richie for the most tries and points by a forward.
@Chris-B said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Magpie_in_aus If AB stats are up-to-date, Kieran Read needs one more try to tie with Richie for the most tries and points by a forward.
A big gap from Read (26) and McCaw (27) to the next forward, Zinny with 17 test tries.
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@Chris-B said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Magpie_in_aus If AB stats are up-to-date, Kieran Read needs one more try to tie with Richie for the most tries and points by a forward.
A big gap from Read (26) and McCaw (27) to the next forward, Zinny with 17 test tries.
@Bovidae said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Chris-B said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Magpie_in_aus If AB stats are up-to-date, Kieran Read needs one more try to tie with Richie for the most tries and points by a forward.
A big gap from Read (26) and McCaw (27) to the next forward, Zinny with 17 test tries.
Be nice for posterity if Richie and Kieran end up with the same number, but right at this point I'm not averse to seeing Kieran pull ahead.
In fact, if he wants to pull a couple of Cornelson's to finish, he is more than welcome!
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@Bovidae said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Chris-B said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Magpie_in_aus If AB stats are up-to-date, Kieran Read needs one more try to tie with Richie for the most tries and points by a forward.
A big gap from Read (26) and McCaw (27) to the next forward, Zinny with 17 test tries.
Be nice for posterity if Richie and Kieran end up with the same number, but right at this point I'm not averse to seeing Kieran pull ahead.
In fact, if he wants to pull a couple of Cornelson's to finish, he is more than welcome!
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@Bovidae said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Chris-B And BB to overtake JK, Umaga, Lomu and BFA.
That's a murderer's row of wings, centre and fullback right there. For most other teams, that would be a Mt Rushmore (yeah I know, too much time watching US sports media)
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Eddie Jones is enjoying his week. He's a funny little bugger
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@Catogrande said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@DMX Interesting your view on the Barret v Mo'unga discussion. I've never felt that Barrett was a fantastic fly half - and I realise that this may lead to me being virtual lynched on here, but to me he does not seem to fit too well for some of the key duties of a 10. His kicking game is a bit off, his game management is not up there with the likes of say Carter, BUT he is without doubt a fantastic, almost freakish, rugby player and has to play. I can see the argument for having him at 10 as he is so good that you want to get the ball to him as often and as quickly as possible, but I think I agree with you that the extra space he gets at 15 is perhaps more suited and allied to that, you have a bloody good 10 in Mo'unga to bring a little more control to the game.
A very nice problem to have.
Off to dig a trench and search for my tin hat...
man, i am with you. I got lynched for saying Barrett was a poor 10 but a fantastic rugby player. The Hurricanes faithful are a little sensitive.
@mariner4life said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Catogrande said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@DMX Interesting your view on the Barret v Mo'unga discussion. I've never felt that Barrett was a fantastic fly half - and I realise that this may lead to me being virtual lynched on here, but to me he does not seem to fit too well for some of the key duties of a 10. His kicking game is a bit off, his game management is not up there with the likes of say Carter, BUT he is without doubt a fantastic, almost freakish, rugby player and has to play. I can see the argument for having him at 10 as he is so good that you want to get the ball to him as often and as quickly as possible, but I think I agree with you that the extra space he gets at 15 is perhaps more suited and allied to that, you have a bloody good 10 in Mo'unga to bring a little more control to the game.
A very nice problem to have.
Off to dig a trench and search for my tin hat...
man, i am with you. I got lynched for saying Barrett was a poor 10 but a fantastic rugby player. The Hurricanes faithful are a little sensitive.
Yep.
Foster was on some show (or YouTube) last year talking about how they wanted to get the ball in his hands more often, and that was a big reason to keep him at 10, but it seems like they’ve worked out how to use him at 15 while still making sure he gets plenty of opportunities to get his hands on the ball. His stats last week were off the charts and they are putting him in positions for better mismatches too. If we win, that one coaching strategy should be applauded - they’ve redefined how to use him and redefined (possibly) what a WC 15 should be able to do (although I think it’s really a strategy to use Barrett’s speed and ability to take a gap).
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Eddie Jones is enjoying his week. He's a funny little bugger
@mariner4life said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Eddie Jones is enjoying his week. He's a funny little bugger
Yeah he is. Hansen seemed to enjoy his last press conference as well.
I think that it was mentioned somewhere that they get on well?
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Eddie Jones is enjoying his week. He's a funny little bugger
@mariner4life he is rugby's Jimmy Spithill.
They know what buttons to push and the media lap it up.
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@mariner4life he is rugby's Jimmy Spithill.
They know what buttons to push and the media lap it up.
@taniwharugby said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@mariner4life he is rugby's Jimmy Spithill.
They know what buttons to push and the media lap it up.
his delivery is great too, and his little crooked grin. cracks me up.
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Ignore the clickbait title - it's the press conference and he's obviously relaxed, confident and enjoying it.
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Ignore the clickbait title - it's the press conference and he's obviously relaxed, confident and enjoying it.
@antipodean said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Ignore the clickbait title - it's the press conference and he's obviously relaxed, confident and enjoying it.
yep. And they should be, they are a good side in form. 50/50 chance of winning. And i reckon he'll have a trick or two up his sleeve as well.
Jesus, i can get $3.20 on England to win, that's massive overs.
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@antipodean said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Ignore the clickbait title - it's the press conference and he's obviously relaxed, confident and enjoying it.
yep. And they should be, they are a good side in form. 50/50 chance of winning. And i reckon he'll have a trick or two up his sleeve as well.
Jesus, i can get $3.20 on England to win, that's massive overs.
@mariner4life said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Jesus, i can get $3.20 on England to win, that's massive overs.
Good enough for me to hedge.
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@mariner4life said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Jesus, i can get $3.20 on England to win, that's massive overs.
Good enough for me to hedge.
@antipodean said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@mariner4life said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Jesus, i can get $3.20 on England to win, that's massive overs.
Good enough for me to hedge.
my betting account knows no heart
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Interesting that we are New Zealand and not the All Blacks (again) at the beginning.
Enoka busiest All Black coach because of pressure.
Played the under dog card nicely.Good stuff Eddie.
Actually three of the four coaches seem like decent blokes - Gatland would get a pass when he isn't coaching the Lions.
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Interesting that we are New Zealand and not the All Blacks (again) at the beginning.
Enoka busiest All Black coach because of pressure.
Played the under dog card nicely.Good stuff Eddie.
Actually three of the four coaches seem like decent blokes - Gatland would get a pass when he isn't coaching the Lions.
@Snowy said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Gatland would get a pass when he isn't coaching the Lions.
Chiefs coach now, i think he's grand
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who do the neutrals go for this weekend?
The dirty cynical cheating #1 side going for a threepeat of World Cups?
or the English?
The old 'fights, injuries and the ref"?
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@Snowy said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Gatland would get a pass when he isn't coaching the Lions.
Chiefs coach now, i think he's grand
@mariner4life said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Chiefs coach now, i think he's grand
So back to being a piston wristed gibbon then. Poor Warren.
