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    @taniwharugby said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

    hasnt it always been if they are carrying a niggle, they start so you can control thier gametime better.

    My guess is, they have determined SB suits whatever plan they intend playing v England.

    It does change the dynamic of the substitutions though because for Paddy T to come on then one of BBBR or Whitelock must be subbed, or both if SB moves to lock (VERY unlikely). It is possible that Ardie could end up at no.8 if Read's calf isn't 100% and SB remains at 6.

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    @Bovidae said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

    @taniwharugby said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

    hasnt it always been if they are carrying a niggle, they start so you can control thier gametime better.

    My guess is, they have determined SB suits whatever plan they intend playing v England.

    It does change the dynamic of the substitutions though because for Paddy T to come on then one of BBBR or Whitelock must be subbed, or both if SB moves to lock (VERY unlikely). It is possible that Ardie could end up at no.8 if Read's calf isn't 100% and SB remains at 6.

    If it is close Whitelock and Retallick will play 80. Paddy T is insurance. However we have seen Whitelock pack down on the flank before so if they want to replace Barrett there’s always that possibility.

    Cane is there for Savea and Read.

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      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12279196

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      • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

        @Nepia said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

        @Machpants said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

        @Nepia said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

        @bayimports said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

        Ok so don’t have full team this week... however, from inside the camp....

        S Barrett replaces Cane at 6, Tuipolotu on the bench for Todd. Savea at 7. Cane on bench.

        Perhaps wrist not great, or just want a bigger/taller team

        Can't say that makes any sense to me, our game has been all about the trio all year and now we go for a slower option to add height? I hope Cane is slightly injured and it's enforced because he leads our defence in the opening trench warfare.

        Yeah this, we win sith speed and a ferocious and fast loose trio. Ah well in Shag we trust, if true!

        Definitely for now, but if we lose I'm going to meltdown like a Cantabrian complaining about Mauger being left out in 07. :face_with_tears_of_joy:

        It will have only taken you 12 years to see some sense then. Even a little slow for you @Nepia

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        @ACT-Crusader said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

        @Nepia said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

        @Machpants said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

        @Nepia said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

        @bayimports said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

        Ok so don’t have full team this week... however, from inside the camp....

        S Barrett replaces Cane at 6, Tuipolotu on the bench for Todd. Savea at 7. Cane on bench.

        Perhaps wrist not great, or just want a bigger/taller team

        Can't say that makes any sense to me, our game has been all about the trio all year and now we go for a slower option to add height? I hope Cane is slightly injured and it's enforced because he leads our defence in the opening trench warfare.

        Yeah this, we win sith speed and a ferocious and fast loose trio. Ah well in Shag we trust, if true!

        Definitely for now, but if we lose I'm going to meltdown like a Cantabrian complaining about Mauger being left out in 07. :face_with_tears_of_joy:

        It will have only taken you 12 years to see some sense then. Even a little slow for you @Nepia

        To be fair, he hasn't yet gone through all the grieving stages for Cully in 2003 - let alone started on processing the injustices of Aaron! 🙂

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          https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12279196

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          @KiwiMurph said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

          https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12279196

          These huas read the fern!

          three times in the past week, about a couple of hours after a conversation on these threads, suddenly an article would appear.

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          • HoorooH Hooroo

            @KiwiMurph said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

            https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12279196

            These huas read the fern!

            three times in the past week, about a couple of hours after a conversation on these threads, suddenly an article would appear.

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            @Hooroo Of course they do, where else would they get controversial and idiotic ideas, theories and analysis ( used loosely) from?

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            • HoorooH Hooroo

              @KiwiMurph said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

              https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12279196

              These huas read the fern!

              three times in the past week, about a couple of hours after a conversation on these threads, suddenly an article would appear.

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              @Hooroo if they aspire to be great journos they certainly should be reading the fern, such a diverse range of rugby fans of all ages, bias' and allegiances, this IS the place to get your analysis from, if you ignore the likes of us on here, then you may as well turn to clickbaiting!!

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              • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                @Hooroo if they aspire to be great journos they certainly should be reading the fern, such a diverse range of rugby fans of all ages, bias' and allegiances, this IS the place to get your analysis from, if you ignore the likes of us on here, then you may as well turn to clickbaiting!!

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                @taniwharugby said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                @Hooroo if they aspire to be great journos they certainly should be reading the fern, such a diverse range of rugby fans of all ages, bias' and allegiances, this IS the place to get your analysis from, if you ignore the likes of us on here, then you may as well turn to clickbaiting!!

                To be fair, it is much better in here now that a few of the morons are gone.

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                • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                  @Hooroo if they aspire to be great journos they certainly should be reading the fern, such a diverse range of rugby fans of all ages, bias' and allegiances, this IS the place to get your analysis from, if you ignore the likes of us on here, then you may as well turn to clickbaiting!!

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                  @taniwharugby Diverse? I thought everyone here was a Polish person identifying as a female.

                  That team naming can’t come soon enough, but I think that’s going to be a bit boring too.

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                  • Chris B.C Chris B.

                    @ACT-Crusader said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                    @Nepia said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                    @Machpants said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                    @Nepia said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                    @bayimports said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                    Ok so don’t have full team this week... however, from inside the camp....

                    S Barrett replaces Cane at 6, Tuipolotu on the bench for Todd. Savea at 7. Cane on bench.

                    Perhaps wrist not great, or just want a bigger/taller team

                    Can't say that makes any sense to me, our game has been all about the trio all year and now we go for a slower option to add height? I hope Cane is slightly injured and it's enforced because he leads our defence in the opening trench warfare.

                    Yeah this, we win sith speed and a ferocious and fast loose trio. Ah well in Shag we trust, if true!

                    Definitely for now, but if we lose I'm going to meltdown like a Cantabrian complaining about Mauger being left out in 07. :face_with_tears_of_joy:

                    It will have only taken you 12 years to see some sense then. Even a little slow for you @Nepia

                    To be fair, he hasn't yet gone through all the grieving stages for Cully in 2003 - let alone started on processing the injustices of Aaron! 🙂

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                    @Chris-B said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                    @ACT-Crusader said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                    @Nepia said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                    @Machpants said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                    @Nepia said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                    @bayimports said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                    Ok so don’t have full team this week... however, from inside the camp....

                    S Barrett replaces Cane at 6, Tuipolotu on the bench for Todd. Savea at 7. Cane on bench.

                    Perhaps wrist not great, or just want a bigger/taller team

                    Can't say that makes any sense to me, our game has been all about the trio all year and now we go for a slower option to add height? I hope Cane is slightly injured and it's enforced because he leads our defence in the opening trench warfare.

                    Yeah this, we win sith speed and a ferocious and fast loose trio. Ah well in Shag we trust, if true!

                    Definitely for now, but if we lose I'm going to meltdown like a Cantabrian complaining about Mauger being left out in 07. :face_with_tears_of_joy:

                    It will have only taken you 12 years to see some sense then. Even a little slow for you @Nepia

                    To be fair, he hasn't yet gone through all the grieving stages for Cully in 2003 - let alone started on processing the injustices of Aaron! 🙂

                    Don't forget Zac Guilford abandoning the Canes and running away to the inbreds.

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                    • HoorooH Hooroo

                      @taniwharugby said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                      @Hooroo if they aspire to be great journos they certainly should be reading the fern, such a diverse range of rugby fans of all ages, bias' and allegiances, this IS the place to get your analysis from, if you ignore the likes of us on here, then you may as well turn to clickbaiting!!

                      To be fair, it is much better in here now that a few of the morons are gone.

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                      @Hooroo for every dickhead gone, there is one of the good guys gone too.

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                      • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                        @Hooroo for every dickhead gone, there is one of the good guys gone too.

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                        @taniwharugby said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                        @Hooroo for every dickhead gone, there is one of the good guys gone too.

                        But not recently, just the dickheads that have gone

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                        • HoorooH Hooroo

                          @taniwharugby said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                          @Hooroo for every dickhead gone, there is one of the good guys gone too.

                          But not recently, just the dickheads that have gone

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                          @Hooroo said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                          @taniwharugby said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                          @Hooroo for every dickhead gone, there is one of the good guys gone too.

                          But not recently, just the dickheads that have gone

                          Excuse me, I’m right bloody here!

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                            @Hooroo Of course they do, where else would they get controversial and idiotic ideas, theories and analysis ( used loosely) from?

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                            @Snowy said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                            @Hooroo Of course they do, where else would they get controversial and idiotic ideas, theories and analysis ( used loosely) from?

                            If they are reading this I hope they pass on our observations about Rattue to him

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                              Will be interesting to see if Eddie thinks at all of team changes. I could see Kruis starting, which opens up some options for them at 6. Seems Ford is not trusted at highest level, which for me is too timid, as I think they need to take some risks.

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                              @pakman said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                              Will be interesting to see if Eddie thinks at all of team changes. I could see Kruis starting, which opens up some options for them at 6. Seems Ford is not trusted at highest level, which for me is too timid, as I think they need to take some risks.

                              See Stuff reporting Kruis and Ford may start: https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/rugby-world-cup/rwc-2019-japan/116859878/all-blacks-v-england-eddie-jones-expected-to-bring-back-george-ford-for-semifinal !

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                                @pakman said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                Will be interesting to see if Eddie thinks at all of team changes. I could see Kruis starting, which opens up some options for them at 6. Seems Ford is not trusted at highest level, which for me is too timid, as I think they need to take some risks.

                                See Stuff reporting Kruis and Ford may start: https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/rugby-world-cup/rwc-2019-japan/116859878/all-blacks-v-england-eddie-jones-expected-to-bring-back-george-ford-for-semifinal !

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                                @pakman said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                @pakman said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                Will be interesting to see if Eddie thinks at all of team changes. I could see Kruis starting, which opens up some options for them at 6. Seems Ford is not trusted at highest level, which for me is too timid, as I think they need to take some risks.

                                See Stuff reporting Kruis and Ford may start: https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/rugby-world-cup/rwc-2019-japan/116859878/all-blacks-v-england-eddie-jones-expected-to-bring-back-george-ford-for-semifinal !

                                Seems Eddie reads the Fern?

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                                • Chris B.C Chris B.

                                  @ACT-Crusader said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                  @Nepia said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                  @Machpants said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                  @Nepia said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                  @bayimports said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                  Ok so don’t have full team this week... however, from inside the camp....

                                  S Barrett replaces Cane at 6, Tuipolotu on the bench for Todd. Savea at 7. Cane on bench.

                                  Perhaps wrist not great, or just want a bigger/taller team

                                  Can't say that makes any sense to me, our game has been all about the trio all year and now we go for a slower option to add height? I hope Cane is slightly injured and it's enforced because he leads our defence in the opening trench warfare.

                                  Yeah this, we win sith speed and a ferocious and fast loose trio. Ah well in Shag we trust, if true!

                                  Definitely for now, but if we lose I'm going to meltdown like a Cantabrian complaining about Mauger being left out in 07. :face_with_tears_of_joy:

                                  It will have only taken you 12 years to see some sense then. Even a little slow for you @Nepia

                                  To be fair, he hasn't yet gone through all the grieving stages for Cully in 2003 - let alone started on processing the injustices of Aaron! 🙂

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                                  @Chris-B said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                  @ACT-Crusader said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                  @Nepia said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                  @Machpants said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                  @Nepia said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                  @bayimports said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                  Ok so don’t have full team this week... however, from inside the camp....

                                  S Barrett replaces Cane at 6, Tuipolotu on the bench for Todd. Savea at 7. Cane on bench.

                                  Perhaps wrist not great, or just want a bigger/taller team

                                  Can't say that makes any sense to me, our game has been all about the trio all year and now we go for a slower option to add height? I hope Cane is slightly injured and it's enforced because he leads our defence in the opening trench warfare.

                                  Yeah this, we win sith speed and a ferocious and fast loose trio. Ah well in Shag we trust, if true!

                                  Definitely for now, but if we lose I'm going to meltdown like a Cantabrian complaining about Mauger being left out in 07. :face_with_tears_of_joy:

                                  It will have only taken you 12 years to see some sense then. Even a little slow for you @Nepia

                                  To be fair, he hasn't yet gone through all the grieving stages for Cully in 2003 - let alone started on processing the injustices of Aaron! 🙂

                                  Oh look, the little brother Crusaders are circling the wagons in support of big brother Crusaders. 😉

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                                    Who is the better 1st 5 Ford or Farrell? Is this purely to give them a second play maker?

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                                      Sky were showing the 2018 EOYT tour test v England last night. I caught about the 20 minutes.

                                      I now recall that NZ totally bossed the England lineout last year, Retallick consistently pinching Itoje's ball at the front of the lineout.

                                      NZ started with 4 linrout options; Retallick, Whitelock, Read, Squire. S Barrett replace Squire in the second half.

                                      In the time I was watching NZ had replacement props on with Laulala and THP and Ofa T at LHP. 3 scrums in that time; 1 penalty v NZ when we attacked their scrum but got penalised for angling in. 1 where both scrums attacked each other a bit back-and-forward - hard to tell England slightly on top maybe but seemed to collapse back their way just as ball was taken out (was play on), final action of match was a collapsed scrum that turned into a comedy act of offside hangers-on trying to pressure TJP.

                                      England had Williams and THP, George at hooker and can't remember LHP.

                                      England got a fat start, up 15-0. That's been a habit, thinking of England's tour of South Africa.

                                      Playing catchup would make me nervous with the way knockout rugby is refereed. Hope we start well.

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                                      • ToddyT Toddy

                                        Who is the better 1st 5 Ford or Farrell? Is this purely to give them a second play maker?

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                                        @Toddy said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                        Who is the better 1st 5 Ford or Farrell? Is this purely to give them a second play maker?

                                        Ford is better with reasonable or good ball. Farrell better behind a struggling pack, but tends to be somewhat robotic.

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                                        • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                                          @Hooroo if they aspire to be great journos they certainly should be reading the fern, such a diverse range of rugby fans of all ages, bias' and allegiances, this IS the place to get your analysis from, if you ignore the likes of us on here, then you may as well turn to clickbaiting!!

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                                          @taniwharugby said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                          such a diverse range of rugby fans of all ages, bias' and allegiances,

                                          Mostly middle aged men spouting shit.

                                          So yeah: like journalists.

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