RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1)
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@Kirwan I'm going to the pub later, and half of the people there will be brits. I'm gonna take a lot of shit.
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@gt12 said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Billy-Webb said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
I honestly don’t think it was a case of NZ not being “hungry” enough.
England simply didn’t allow you to play. They were that good on the night.I strongly disagree. We had opportunities to just try and get territory, then from there, try to build pressure - get penalties - and try to break them down. Instead, with every piece of possession we got, we took terrible options, usually kicking it straight back to them. Had we buckled down after the first try, and said, fuck it, let's just play it in their half, we'd have put ourselves in the position to have challenged. But we never put them under any pressure - in their half - and the only time we did, we got a lucky try. I'm fucked if I know who was running things out there, but whoever it was shouldn't wear a black jersey again, And if the do, I hope they have nightmares about this game. We got fucking hammered .
Fair enough comment. There were some poor options taken. But I see that in the context of England putting so much pressure on the ABs.
@Billy-Webb said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@gt12 said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Billy-Webb said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
I honestly don’t think it was a case of NZ not being “hungry” enough.
England simply didn’t allow you to play. They were that good on the night.I strongly disagree. We had opportunities to just try and get territory, then from there, try to build pressure - get penalties - and try to break them down. Instead, with every piece of possession we got, we took terrible options, usually kicking it straight back to them. Had we buckled down after the first try, and said, fuck it, let's just play it in their half, we'd have put ourselves in the position to have challenged. But we never put them under any pressure - in their half - and the only time we did, we got a lucky try. I'm fucked if I know who was running things out there, but whoever it was shouldn't wear a black jersey again, And if the do, I hope they have nightmares about this game. We got fucking hammered .
Fair enough comment. There were some poor options taken. But I see that in the context of England putting so much pressure on the ABs.
I can't argue with that. They were excellent. The reaction of our players to their strategy and tactics, was, fucking pathetic. For a team that had (we hoped) supposedly tried different tactics to get ready for this world cup, they were not better (in fact worse) than the team that got run over by Lions two years ago.
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- Our tight five couldn't get front foot ball or make enough dominant tackles.
- Our loose forwards couldn't get to the breakdown quick enough.
- Our lineout got dominated despite having more genuine options.
- Our backline with that sort of ball, couldn't penetrate and we too often passed too deep meaning we couldn't get over the advantage line.
- Then we made stupid errors, throwing the ball away when we weren't getting bundled into touch.
And yet for all that, England still couldn't score another try. It puts their quarter final into some perspective.
I think that's two quarter finals in a row we've expended tremendous energy fighting a boogeyman in our own minds. A terrible, disinterested France in 2015 and then Ireland four years later. If there's a flat track bully in world rugby, it's got to be the All Blacks. Once we have dominance, no team puts the boot on the throat like we do.
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@Chris said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK FUUUUUUUUUUCK FUUUUUUUCK
Have you been stalking me?
That was literally me walking home from the stadium, taking the long lonely road through dodgy districts to avoid the fucking “swing low”.
And now that you remind me, standing in this lovely little polite japanese standing bar, watching a replay of the last 20 minutes....
FAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRK ! -
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- Our tight five couldn't get front foot ball or make enough dominant tackles.
- Our loose forwards couldn't get to the breakdown quick enough.
- Our lineout got dominated despite having more genuine options.
- Our backline with that sort of ball, couldn't penetrate and we too often passed too deep meaning we couldn't get over the advantage line.
- Then we made stupid errors, throwing the ball away when we weren't getting bundled into touch.
And yet for all that, England still couldn't score another try. It puts their quarter final into some perspective.
I think that's two quarter finals in a row we've expended tremendous energy fighting a boogeyman in our own minds. A terrible, disinterested France in 2015 and then Ireland four years later. If there's a flat track bully in world rugby, it's got to be the All Blacks. Once we have dominance, no team puts the boot on the throat like we do.
@antipodean said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
- Our tight five couldn't get front foot ball or make enough dominant tackles.
- Our loose forwards couldn't get to the breakdown quick enough.
- Our lineout got dominated despite having more genuine options.
- Our backline with that sort of ball, couldn't penetrate and we too often passed too deep meaning we couldn't get over the advantage line.
- Then we made stupid errors, throwing the ball away when we weren't getting bundled into touch.
And yet for all that, England still couldn't score another try. It puts their quarter final into some perspective.
I think that's two quarter finals in a row we've expended tremendous energy fighting a boogeyman in our own minds. A terrible, disinterested France in 2015 and then Ireland four years later. If there's a flat track bully in world rugby, it's got to be the All Blacks. Once we have dominance, no team puts the boot on the throat like we do.
That's so sad, but seems pretty true.
Our performance seems to support it - get on top of us early and we won't show any resilience to come back and beat you.
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- Our tight five couldn't get front foot ball or make enough dominant tackles.
- Our loose forwards couldn't get to the breakdown quick enough.
- Our lineout got dominated despite having more genuine options.
- Our backline with that sort of ball, couldn't penetrate and we too often passed too deep meaning we couldn't get over the advantage line.
- Then we made stupid errors, throwing the ball away when we weren't getting bundled into touch.
And yet for all that, England still couldn't score another try. It puts their quarter final into some perspective.
I think that's two quarter finals in a row we've expended tremendous energy fighting a boogeyman in our own minds. A terrible, disinterested France in 2015 and then Ireland four years later. If there's a flat track bully in world rugby, it's got to be the All Blacks. Once we have dominance, no team puts the boot on the throat like we do.
@antipodean Yeah, the coaches got really worked up about the defeat against Ireland without seeming to twig that it was the tough test against England the week before they made them knackered against Ireland.
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@Chris said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK FUUUUUUUUUUCK FUUUUUUUCK
Have you been stalking me?
That was literally me walking home from the stadium, taking the long lonely road through dodgy districts to avoid the fucking “swing low”.
And now that you remind me, standing in this lovely little polite japanese standing bar, watching a replay of the last 20 minutes....
FAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRK !@Kruse said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Chris said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK FUUUUUUUUUUCK FUUUUUUUCK
Have you been stalking me?
That was literally me walking home from the stadium, taking the long lonely road through dodgy districts to avoid the fucking “swing low”.
And now that you remind me, standing in this lovely little polite japanese standing bar, watching a replay of the last 20 minutes....
FAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRK !I feel for you Brother
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We even lost the haka
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@The-Eagle said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Don’t be too hard on your blokes. They tried as hard as they could. The difficulty with being consistently the best team in the world is that it feels doubly crap when you lose...although, how would I know.
PS good to see you fellas
Another blast from the past, good to see you too.
As I explained to my son, fans are allowed to be happy for their team. Sucks for us, but that’s sport.
@Kirwan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@The-Eagle said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Don’t be too hard on your blokes. They tried as hard as they could. The difficulty with being consistently the best team in the world is that it feels doubly crap when you lose...although, how would I know.
PS good to see you fellas
Another blast from the past, good to see you too.
As I explained to my son, fans are allowed to be happy for their team. Sucks for us, but that’s sport.
A bit creepy as I mentioned @The-Eagle earlier in my "gloaters" comment and will not be surprised to see Dodge either.
We were done rugby wise but funny how people show up again...just saying.
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@mantissanet he’s a quality coach for sure. The Brumbies had quality players during his tenure 98-01 and got to the big dance and even won the choccies. He’s a true tactician. Remember he left the Brumbies after 2001 because he got the Wallabies job. Nucifora then got the Brumbies job and made some changes and got to the finals before the player revolt....
@ACT-Crusader Aplogies re Eddies Brumbie exact years. Hansen partly culpable in my book but even then Eng looked remarkably well coached. Who out of today’s Eng team make a world 15 head and shoulders above the rest? Maybe one or 2 for me.....
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@ACT-Crusader Aplogies re Eddies Brumbie exact years. Hansen partly culpable in my book but even then Eng looked remarkably well coached. Who out of today’s Eng team make a world 15 head and shoulders above the rest? Maybe one or 2 for me.....
@mantissanet said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@ACT-Crusader Aplogies re Eddies Brumbie exact years. Hansen partly culpable in my book but even then Eng looked remarkably well coached. Who out of today’s Eng team make a world 15 head and shoulders above the rest? Maybe one or 2 for me.....
I'll say this - Itoje finally stepped up in my eyes to be the player he's long been touted to be. He was superb. So were the two young flankers.
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@mantissanet said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@ACT-Crusader Aplogies re Eddies Brumbie exact years. Hansen partly culpable in my book but even then Eng looked remarkably well coached. Who out of today’s Eng team make a world 15 head and shoulders above the rest? Maybe one or 2 for me.....
I'll say this - Itoje finally stepped up in my eyes to be the player he's long been touted to be. He was superb. So were the two young flankers.
@antipodean Itoje no question. Brodie remains top of the pile though for myself globally. Sublime player. Possibly too green post injury. Their loosies were great considering Ardie and Cane when he was on just had so little actual effect.
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@ACT-Crusader Aplogies re Eddies Brumbie exact years. Hansen partly culpable in my book but even then Eng looked remarkably well coached. Who out of today’s Eng team make a world 15 head and shoulders above the rest? Maybe one or 2 for me.....
@mantissanet said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Who out of today’s Eng team make a world 15 head and shoulders above the rest?
On today's performance there wouldn't have been an All Black at all, but I get your point England played well as a team.
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@mantissanet said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Who out of today’s Eng team make a world 15 head and shoulders above the rest?
On today's performance there wouldn't have been an All Black at all, but I get your point England played well as a team.
@Snowy Goodhue still number one is his jersey globally by a country mile in my book...and the amount of number 2 jerseys after today in your team globally is still probably pretty high
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@Snowy Goodhue still number one is his jersey globally by a country mile in my book...and the amount of number 2 jerseys after today in your team globally is still probably pretty high
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@Bones said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Snowy when do you want this coat fabric bud?
Was going to start with that guy with the 2019 tattoo That sort of jinxing is worthy.
Still thinking about the rest of them. I'll start with the forwards then work smaller clothing from the backs.
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@mantissanet Not sure that Goodhue is THAT good, but yes up there - as for the others - second doesn't cut it.
@Snowy Better 13 than him at the mo. Really interested.... Such a different jersey to 12 and he has owned it through too many victories in a structure I would never have messed with if I was Hansen to think otherwise. Long conversation about 13 vs 12 but he has been ridiculously solid for ages despite that mullet
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Drinking a lot of beer here in SA too. My heart was sold on an AB Bok final. I’m bleak. Commiserations. Heartfelt.
