Why this feels different...
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I'm upset and pissed off that we lost, but nothing like 95 99 03 07. I think this feels different because
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Back to back means we sleep well, no matter what, the monkey is well and truly off our back
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that was a hell of an English performance. We could have got up, but would have been something special. In the past, we've bene beaten by teams that are really not on the same level, dodgy reffing, food poisoning, or choking.
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We knew this wasn't a vintage side. Losing 6 all time greats after 2015, a lot of people thought we'd be lucky to be a 50/50 chance going into the tourney. A year ago we got showed where we were - last week aside, that's pretty much where we were
This wasn't a great side, it was a decent outfit with some very good players in it. Perth, Chicago, Dublin, Lions 2+3 --> we're ahead, but only just -
England really put out something special. They arced up, and we just couldn't lift to match them. Getting owned all over the park does happen sometimes, and if it does you have to cop it.
Still frustrated, but not as angry or upset as I have been. Here's to the future, thanks to Shag for the good times, and roll on the rest of the knockouts
Edit: this is also the cycle where we have seen how badly the player drain has hurt us. Piutau, Luatua, Faumauina, Vito - just a few who would have made a difference
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I'm upset and pissed off that we lost, but nothing like 95 99 03 07. I think this feels different because
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Back to back means we sleep well, no matter what, the monkey is well and truly off our back
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that was a hell of an English performance. We could have got up, but would have been something special. In the past, we've bene beaten by teams that are really not on the same level, dodgy reffing, food poisoning, or choking.
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We knew this wasn't a vintage side. Losing 6 all time greats after 2015, a lot of people thought we'd be lucky to be a 50/50 chance going into the tourney. A year ago we got showed where we were - last week aside, that's pretty much where we were
This wasn't a great side, it was a decent outfit with some very good players in it. Perth, Chicago, Dublin, Lions 2+3 --> we're ahead, but only just -
England really put out something special. They arced up, and we just couldn't lift to match them. Getting owned all over the park does happen sometimes, and if it does you have to cop it.
Still frustrated, but not as angry or upset as I have been. Here's to the future, thanks to Shag for the good times, and roll on the rest of the knockouts
Edit: this is also the cycle where we have seen how badly the player drain has hurt us. Piutau, Luatua, Faumauina, Vito - just a few who would have made a difference
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I'm upset and pissed off that we lost, but nothing like 95 99 03 07. I think this feels different because
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Back to back means we sleep well, no matter what, the monkey is well and truly off our back
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that was a hell of an English performance. We could have got up, but would have been something special. In the past, we've bene beaten by teams that are really not on the same level, dodgy reffing, food poisoning, or choking.
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We knew this wasn't a vintage side. Losing 6 all time greats after 2015, a lot of people thought we'd be lucky to be a 50/50 chance going into the tourney. A year ago we got showed where we were - last week aside, that's pretty much where we were
This wasn't a great side, it was a decent outfit with some very good players in it. Perth, Chicago, Dublin, Lions 2+3 --> we're ahead, but only just -
England really put out something special. They arced up, and we just couldn't lift to match them. Getting owned all over the park does happen sometimes, and if it does you have to cop it.
Still frustrated, but not as angry or upset as I have been. Here's to the future, thanks to Shag for the good times, and roll on the rest of the knockouts
Edit: this is also the cycle where we have seen how badly the player drain has hurt us. Piutau, Luatua, Faumauina, Vito - just a few who would have made a difference
@nzzp Agree with a lot of the above. Been a great ride since 2009. So many special players and performances from the last decade. Wiining a third consecutive RWC was a tough ask when all the other sides are watching you and learning from you. Always thought a side would rise above themselves to end our era sooner or later and so it proved.
Once the Ioane brothers didn't make the team, I was never that optimistic about this RWC for the All Blacks. We needed those two fantastic athletes to be in top form for 2019 to be our year. Brodie's injury didn't help either.
I've seen England as a dangerous side for a while. Eddie has been putting together a great set of forwards and an England squad with a fantastic attitude for some time.
Two surprises though:
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How well George Ford played yesterday.
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How badly the All Blacks played and how soon ran out of ideas once Plan A didn't work.
For me it is not the loss but the manner of it that hurts. Haven't seen our Forward pack outclassed like that for a long, long time.
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@nzzp it's the first all black loss at a world cup since I left NZ. And I'm in England. I'd forgotten this feeling and it's not pleasant...i reckon I'd probably be more at peace if I was back home though eh!
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I'm upset and pissed off that we lost, but nothing like 95 99 03 07. I think this feels different because
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Back to back means we sleep well, no matter what, the monkey is well and truly off our back
-
that was a hell of an English performance. We could have got up, but would have been something special. In the past, we've bene beaten by teams that are really not on the same level, dodgy reffing, food poisoning, or choking.
-
We knew this wasn't a vintage side. Losing 6 all time greats after 2015, a lot of people thought we'd be lucky to be a 50/50 chance going into the tourney. A year ago we got showed where we were - last week aside, that's pretty much where we were
This wasn't a great side, it was a decent outfit with some very good players in it. Perth, Chicago, Dublin, Lions 2+3 --> we're ahead, but only just -
England really put out something special. They arced up, and we just couldn't lift to match them. Getting owned all over the park does happen sometimes, and if it does you have to cop it.
Still frustrated, but not as angry or upset as I have been. Here's to the future, thanks to Shag for the good times, and roll on the rest of the knockouts
Edit: this is also the cycle where we have seen how badly the player drain has hurt us. Piutau, Luatua, Faumauina, Vito - just a few who would have made a difference
@nzzp agreed.
As much as we’d like to, there is no way we can win it all the time.
Just hope the Boks beat those bloody Poms.
It sucks to lose, but it’s not all doom and gloom either like some on here are portraying.
The sun came up today, and the All Blacks are, and will continue to be a very good rugby team and win 8 or 9 times out of 10.
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@Bones England would not be a good place to live right now. Now in the States no one knows we lost or that there was even a game.
@broughie said in Why this feels different...:
@Bones England would not be a good place to live right now. Now in the States no one knows we lost or that there was even a game.
Sadly can’t be escaped. Wife’s friend knows nothing about rugby or that there is a RWC on but was kind enough to check in to see if I saw the All Blacks lost.
The source? Prince Harry’s Instagram feed. Inescapable.
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I’m down , but nothing like the other losses ,
I think the pain with those losses for me, seemed to accumulate and get stronger One at a time ,
91 wasn’t as bad , 95 got worse and so on until we get to 2007 which was the worst for me,
Maybe this one feels a bit like 91 on reflection
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I don’t feel down. Past sports affecting my psyche. Just in a rush to move on, looking forward to hopefully good changes in the coaching staff with a plan to play up tempo and expansive behind a pack with major cajones. We need to be able to play England at their game if needed.
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It’s Sunday morning, the sun has come up, it’s just a game.
2003 and 2007 I didn’t want to get out of bed, but up and about now. I still feel proud to be an All Black’s supporter despite the frustration of last night’s game.
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Whilst i did dream about Shag throwing BB under the bus I am not that upset. At the end of the day we have nobody to blame but ourselves, the better team won, and won easily.
I am actually now excited to see what a new coaching team will bring to the party.
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Yes winning back to back has certainly made the reaction to this one different, even if this was more avoidable than past loses. Was like a two year slow motion car crash.
I also think, with a neutral hat on, us winning three in a row would have been bad for Test rugby. Might have broken the World Cup, as the other country’s might have started tinkering with the format to make it harder for us. Jealousy is a thing.
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Agree with all those saying it doesn't hurt as bad.
1991 was bad because it was inconceivable we could lose and not be world champions.
Every single test match, let alone each RWC, after that was (for me) about proving we're the best in the world.
2011 rid us of the monkey, 2015 bought us immunity from monkeys for at least 4 more years ...
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I'm upset and pissed off that we lost, but nothing like 95 99 03 07. I think this feels different because
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Back to back means we sleep well, no matter what, the monkey is well and truly off our back
-
that was a hell of an English performance. We could have got up, but would have been something special. In the past, we've bene beaten by teams that are really not on the same level, dodgy reffing, food poisoning, or choking.
-
We knew this wasn't a vintage side. Losing 6 all time greats after 2015, a lot of people thought we'd be lucky to be a 50/50 chance going into the tourney. A year ago we got showed where we were - last week aside, that's pretty much where we were
This wasn't a great side, it was a decent outfit with some very good players in it. Perth, Chicago, Dublin, Lions 2+3 --> we're ahead, but only just -
England really put out something special. They arced up, and we just couldn't lift to match them. Getting owned all over the park does happen sometimes, and if it does you have to cop it.
Still frustrated, but not as angry or upset as I have been. Here's to the future, thanks to Shag for the good times, and roll on the rest of the knockouts
Edit: this is also the cycle where we have seen how badly the player drain has hurt us. Piutau, Luatua, Faumauina, Vito - just a few who would have made a difference
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Yep nailed it there. Nothing like those other losses. Beat by a better team on the day, in fact we were damn lucky as the scoreline flattered us.
Now get to watch the rest of the cup stress free.
Now if we don't perform in 2023 then that loss dread is probably sure to come back
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It is hard to find one moment that would have changed that game. There were lots of moments in there which caused us to lose. It's hard to blame Hansen and be genuine about him because we weren't criticising him before hand, so we can't turn around and do it now.
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It is hard to find one moment that would have changed that game. There were lots of moments in there which caused us to lose. It's hard to blame Hansen and be genuine about him because we weren't criticising him before hand, so we can't turn around and do it now.
@hydro11 said in Why this feels different...:
It is hard to find one moment that would have changed that game. There were lots of moments in there which caused us to lose. It's hard to blame Hansen and be genuine about him because we weren't criticising him before hand, so we can't turn around and do it now.
Plenty of people were, look how many times the Ireland loss was brought up.
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I would hope that we (the rugby public) do show more maturity after this loss, and winning in 2011 and 2015 makes this one more bearable. When you are beaten by a much better team on the day there can't be any excuses.
NZ was the only major team that England hadn't beaten at a RWC, until now.
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@nzzp agreed.
As much as we’d like to, there is no way we can win it all the time.
Just hope the Boks beat those bloody Poms.
It sucks to lose, but it’s not all doom and gloom either like some on here are portraying.
The sun came up today, and the All Blacks are, and will continue to be a very good rugby team and win 8 or 9 times out of 10.
@Gunner said in Why this feels different...:
the All Blacks are, and will continue to be a very good rugby team and win 8 or 9 times out of 10.
Not if they play like that they won't.
That is the bit that gets me. Where was the passion, the determination, the physicality? They were completely run over like a possum in the headlights. Just roadkill.
I still haven't watched the last 9 minutes as it was a foregone conclusion and I was going to break something. I was more animated than any of our team.Possibly a slightly better feeling than other losses as I wasn't actually in the crowd, but playing like wimps doesn't make it any easier. Credit to England for making us wimps though.
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It pleases me to note that some of the biggest fluffybunnies in NZ are devastated about the loss.
