All Black Coach - Ian Foster
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I've looked at the Wikipedia pages for Jamie Joseph and Scott Robertson. Robertson has had the Midas touch but seems inexperienced in comparison to Joseph and he has had the luxury of coaching the best players.
Joseph has some good victories but a lot of failure too.
He is known for his famous victory over the Hurricanes in the final but in many years the Highlanders were shit. I also think his results in the RWC must be kept in perspective. It was a great effort but Japan narrowly beat a shit Irish team and middling Scottish team with home ground advantage.
No idea who would be better.
@Frank said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Joseph has some good victories but a lot of failure too.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
For many that is the major knock on Razor - every coach in every sport in the world will fail at some stage and would much rather see him do it on another RFU's dime and watch and see how he responds.
Smith, Hansen and Henry were a success from 2004 onwards in large part because of their very public collective failures in the early 2000s.
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the ideal coaching team would be JJ, Razor & TB...who cares which is the head coach.
What was Scott McLeods contract? WIl he be collateral damage? Has Fox ever expressed any interest?
Can anyone convince Wayne SMith to come back?
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@Tim Eddie Jones - we need an evil mastermind as well as a tough, intelligent and fast team. Coaching is one aspect of the job. Eddie should be wearing a monocle and twirling a moustache!
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@Tim Eddie Jones - we need an evil mastermind as well as a tough, intelligent and fast team. Coaching is one aspect of the job. Eddie should be wearing a monocle and twirling a moustache!
@allblackfan2 if you can't beat 'em, hire'em
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the ideal coaching team would be JJ, Razor & TB...who cares which is the head coach.
What was Scott McLeods contract? WIl he be collateral damage? Has Fox ever expressed any interest?
Can anyone convince Wayne SMith to come back?
@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Can anyone convince Wayne SMith to come back?
Rennie might be able to - he did it once before.
@DMX said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Razor for mine. An unprecedented record of success getting the best out of good players which is what you have to do as AB coach.
Surely Rennie would be in the running under this criteria as he has the above at U20s (3 years winning that comp which everyone didn't give enough credit for until we started losing) and has built decent teams in to champs (Chiefs/Wellington) and below average teams (The Poo) into competitive sides.
So the conclusion from this post is Rennie and Smith back together with Tom Coventry and Razor for the celebratory breakdance.
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@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Can anyone convince Wayne SMith to come back?
Rennie might be able to - he did it once before.
@DMX said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Razor for mine. An unprecedented record of success getting the best out of good players which is what you have to do as AB coach.
Surely Rennie would be in the running under this criteria as he has the above at U20s (3 years winning that comp which everyone didn't give enough credit for until we started losing) and has built decent teams in to champs (Chiefs/Wellington) and below average teams (The Poo) into competitive sides.
So the conclusion from this post is Rennie and Smith back together with Tom Coventry and Razor for the celebratory breakdance.
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@Bovidae they should offer him a farm or Hamilton or something to get him back!!
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@Bovidae they should offer him a farm or Hamilton or something to get him back!!
@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Bovidae they should offer him a farm or Hamilton or something to get him back!!
They probably still have the one they bought for Carl Hayman lying around.
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Great to see so many people voting for Krusty - Kiwi sense of humour rising to the loss.
@Victor-Meldrew said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Great to see so many people voting for Krusty - Kiwi sense of humour rising to the loss.
I'm not a kiwi.
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@Bovidae they should offer him a farm or Hamilton or something to get him back!!
@taniwharugby Cambridge is a bloody expensive place to buy a house so he'll be doing just fine.
Smith is the director of rugby with the Kobe Kobelco Steelers but probably spends more time travelling around NZ enjoying life.
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I voted for Gatland but would be happy with Joseph or Rennie. But the elephant in the room for me is the player pool. I think that is the issue for NZ rugby. For example, who are the next three no 8's now KR is gone?
@Marty said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I voted for Gatland but would be happy with Joseph or Rennie. But the elephant in the room for me is the player pool. I think that is the issue for NZ rugby. For example, who are the next three no 8's now KR is gone?
Well Ardie Surveyor is number one (we have Jacobsen for the blind side).
Akiro Ioane might make a new coach's list. With guys like the younger Blackadder coming through.
As for three -- that's asking a bit much. NZ rugby is deep, but we generally struggle to fill positions with top quality to three deep.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Great to see so many people voting for Krusty - Kiwi sense of humour rising to the loss.
I'm not a kiwi.
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@Marty said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I voted for Gatland but would be happy with Joseph or Rennie. But the elephant in the room for me is the player pool. I think that is the issue for NZ rugby. For example, who are the next three no 8's now KR is gone?
Well Ardie Surveyor is number one (we have Jacobsen for the blind side).
Akiro Ioane might make a new coach's list. With guys like the younger Blackadder coming through.
As for three -- that's asking a bit much. NZ rugby is deep, but we generally struggle to fill positions with top quality to three deep.
@Chester-Draws Blackadder? Whenever I hear that name I think role player and plodder, kind of like a draught horse. We need dynamic big and strong players at international level.
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Anybody but Foster.
Hansen has been involved for 16 years. 16 years! And it's been a great run - there can be no complaints of 2/4 world cups, multiple RC's and retention of the Bledisloe.
But all dynasties must come to an end. We must be careful to not become the next Manchester United after the Ferguson era. Gotta keep evolving, gotta keep moving forwards. Last 2 years results have not been good enough. Struggled against Boks, loss to Wobs, Ireland, shaky win over the Poms and then dumped out of WC by a clearly better team.
We naturally have a massive shake up of players after each WC due to P(eso)ound, Euro & Yen, as well as retirements due to players leaving after a WC cycle. Time to freshen up the AB's too in my view. And lets start at the top.
Robertson or Joseph for me.
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Whoever the next AB coach is, I don't wnat to see this sort of puerile crap.
"England's Eddie Jones hits back at Gatland: 'Enjoy the third-place play-off'"
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@sparky gym bunnies?
Can't remember which TSF poster made that comment about the Boks...
@Billy-Webb said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@sparky gym bunnies?
Can't remember which TSF poster made that comment about the Boks...
Not sure we think the Boks are gym bunnies. Roid ragers perhaps...
