Chiefs 2020
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@Yeetyaah I'll admit I was struggling to fill in some gaps so was relying on young players who were in the system.
Lalomilo - was in this year's NZ U20s and did OK there. The BOP mafia will be able to tell us how he went this year but he may have been injured.
Luteru Laulala - he has been involved in the Chiefs Dev team but was injured all year. Reihana has a big future but Trask is a little older and further developed. He was the BOP 1st 5 this year when fit. If DMac wants to play fullback then that makes the depth at 1st 5 even worse. Leger is more a 2nd 5.
Vaa'i - a big unit out of Wesley who has size (1.98 m, 118 kg) and was also in the U20s. He is very mobile and started a lot for Taranaki this year.As for Takarangi, he was overlooked for Price in the Waikato team for most of the season which is why I didn't include him.
@Bovidae said in Chiefs 2020:
Vaa'i - a big unit out of Wesley who has size (1.98 m, 118 kg) and was also in the U20s. He is very mobile and started a lot for Taranaki this year.
Ahhh if that's the tall "skinny looking" guy then I liked him. He always played with plenty of vigor and aggression and sort of semi needled opposition players, whether they deserved it or not! Should be a good unit once he starts filling out a bit with more age.
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LOCKS (5)
Michael Allardice
Tyler Ardron
Laghlan McWhannell
Tupou Vaa’i
Daymon LeasuasuLOOSE FORWARDS (7)
Sam Cane
Lachlan Boshier
Mitchell Karpik
Luke Jacobson
Mitchell Brown
Samipeni Finau
Pita Gus SowakulaINSIDE BACKS (6)
Brad Weber
Te Torioa Tahuriorangi
Carlos Price/Leroy Carter
Aaron Cruden
Tiaan Falcon
Kaleb Trask/Luteru Laulala.OUTSIDE BACKS (7)
Solomon Alaimalo
Shaun Stevenson
Sean Wainui
Damian McKenzie
Bailyn Sullivan
Kini Naholo
Etene Nanai-Seturo -> Lalomilo Lalomilo/winger via draft -
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LOCKS (5)
Michael Allardice
Tyler Ardron
Laghlan McWhannell
Tupou Vaa’i
Daymon LeasuasuLOOSE FORWARDS (7)
Sam Cane
Lachlan Boshier
Mitchell Karpik
Luke Jacobson
Mitchell Brown
Samipeni Finau
Pita Gus SowakulaINSIDE BACKS (6)
Brad Weber
Te Torioa Tahuriorangi
Carlos Price/Leroy Carter
Aaron Cruden
Tiaan Falcon
Kaleb Trask/Luteru Laulala.OUTSIDE BACKS (7)
Solomon Alaimalo
Shaun Stevenson
Sean Wainui
Damian McKenzie
Bailyn Sullivan
Kini Naholo
Etene Nanai-Seturo -> Lalomilo Lalomilo/winger via draft@Bovidae said in Chiefs 2020:
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LOCKS (5)
Michael Allardice
Tyler Ardron
Laghlan McWhannell
Tupou Vaa’i
Daymon LeasuasuLOOSE FORWARDS (7)
Sam Cane
Lachlan Boshier
Mitchell Karpik
Luke Jacobson
Mitchell Brown
Samipeni Finau
Pita Gus SowakulaINSIDE BACKS (6)
Brad Weber
Te Torioa Tahuriorangi
Carlos Price/Leroy Carter
Aaron Cruden
Tiaan Falcon
Kaleb Trask/Luteru Laulala.OUTSIDE BACKS (7)
Solomon Alaimalo
Shaun Stevenson
Sean Wainui
Damian McKenzie
Bailyn Sullivan
Kini Naholo
Etene Nanai-Seturo -> Lalomilo Lalomilo/winger via draftI heard you signed Michael Woolliams
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@Bovidae said in Chiefs 2020:
Vaa'i - a big unit out of Wesley who has size (1.98 m, 118 kg) and was also in the U20s. He is very mobile and started a lot for Taranaki this year.
Ahhh if that's the tall "skinny looking" guy then I liked him. He always played with plenty of vigor and aggression and sort of semi needled opposition players, whether they deserved it or not! Should be a good unit once he starts filling out a bit with more age.
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@Bovidae said in Chiefs 2020:
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LOCKS (5)
Michael Allardice
Tyler Ardron
Laghlan McWhannell
Tupou Vaa’i
Daymon LeasuasuLOOSE FORWARDS (7)
Sam Cane
Lachlan Boshier
Mitchell Karpik
Luke Jacobson
Mitchell Brown
Samipeni Finau
Pita Gus SowakulaINSIDE BACKS (6)
Brad Weber
Te Torioa Tahuriorangi
Carlos Price/Leroy Carter
Aaron Cruden
Tiaan Falcon
Kaleb Trask/Luteru Laulala.OUTSIDE BACKS (7)
Solomon Alaimalo
Shaun Stevenson
Sean Wainui
Damian McKenzie
Bailyn Sullivan
Kini Naholo
Etene Nanai-Seturo -> Lalomilo Lalomilo/winger via draftI heard you signed Michael Woolliams
@Chris said in Chiefs 2020:
I heard you signed Michael Woolliams
I mentioned him in my original post. There are probably 3 young locks fighting over 2 positions. Leasuasu was used as an injury replacement late in the season so might be favoured.
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LOCKS (5)
Michael Allardice
Tyler Ardron
Laghlan McWhannell
Tupou Vaa’i
Daymon LeasuasuLOOSE FORWARDS (7)
Sam Cane
Lachlan Boshier
Mitchell Karpik
Luke Jacobson
Mitchell Brown
Samipeni Finau
Pita Gus SowakulaINSIDE BACKS (6)
Brad Weber
Te Torioa Tahuriorangi
Carlos Price/Leroy Carter
Aaron Cruden
Tiaan Falcon
Kaleb Trask/Luteru Laulala.OUTSIDE BACKS (7)
Solomon Alaimalo
Shaun Stevenson
Sean Wainui
Damian McKenzie
Bailyn Sullivan
Kini Naholo
Etene Nanai-Seturo -> Lalomilo Lalomilo/winger via draft -
I would put Caleb Trask ahead of Falcon in the pecking order.
@Baron-Silas-Greenback Of course, you would. :face_with_tears_of_joy:
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@Stargazer said in Chiefs 2020:
@Bovidae Sam McNicol not coming back?
No idea, but it's hard to pick someone who hasn't played in 2 seasons. His initial concussion was very severe.
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I'll have a go at selecting a Chiefs squad. Qualifier: I have no fuckin' idea who the new players will be as I haven't heard any rumours.
The big holes to fill are:
(1) Lock. Filling BBBR's shoes is impossible so finding a tall lock would be a good start. Top of the list is BOP boy Pari Pari Parkinson but unlikely.
(2) No.8. A bruising ball-runner would be ideal. I see Sowakula as a backup not a starter.
(3) 1st 5. I don't see any experienced 1st 5s out there to provide some mentoring to the younger 1st 5s. Thanks for nothing Deb.
(4) Wingers. The squad will include utility players who can play on the wing but the addition of a big, fast winger would be good.PROPS (6)
Atu Moli
Aidan Ross
Nepo Laulala
Angus Ta'avao
Reuben O'Neill
Ryan Coxon/Tevita MafileoCooper had 7 props in his squad this year but that may have only been as cover for Hames.
HOOKERS (3)
Nathan Harris
Samisoni Taukei'aho
Liam PolwartLOCKS (5)
Michael Allardice
Laghlan McWhannell
James Tucker
Tupou Vaa’i
Daymon LeasuasuOther options include Aaron Carroll and Mickey Woolliams.
LOOSE FORWARDS (7)
Sam Cane
Lachlan Boshier
Mitchell Karpik
Luke Jacobson
Mitchell Brown
Tyler Ardron (but more likely to play at lock)
Pita Gus SowakulaDepending on the mix at lock and loose forward players like Jesse Parete or Hoani Matenga could be in the mix. A couple of young players to consider (Samipeni Finau and Charles Alaimalo). Simon Parker is one for the future at no.8 but only just out of school.
INSIDE BACKS (6)
Brad Weber
Te Torioa Tahuriorangi
Choose one of the young halfbacks from the region (e.g. Carlos Price or Leroy Carter)
Damian McKenzie
Tiaan Falcon
One of Kaleb Trask/Orbyn Leger/Luteru Laulala.MIDFIELDERS (4)
Anton Lienert Brown
Alex Nankivell
Tumua Manu (if he is going back to the Blues then Wainui will be considered a centre)
Quinn TupaeaOUTSIDE BACKS (7)
Solomon Alaimalo
Shaun Stevenson
Sean Wainui
Bailyn Sullivan
Kini Naholo
Etene Nanai-Seturo -> Lalomilo Lalomilo
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@Stargazer said in Chiefs 2020:
@Bovidae Sam McNicol not coming back?
No idea, but it's hard to pick someone who hasn't played in 2 seasons. His initial concussion was very severe.
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@Bovidae is Sam mcnicol still contracted
@Jonty-lean said in Chiefs 2020:
@Bovidae is Sam mcnicol still contracted
2019 was the final year of the Chiefs contract McNicol was on.
He suffered an ankle injury in the Magpies opening match of the Mitre 10 Cup, and didn't play again.
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Former Chiefs first five-eighth and New Zealand under-20s assistant David Hill will join the backroom staff as an assistant coach, the Chiefs announced when revealing their coaching line-up for next season on Friday.
Hill will join the unit of forwards coach Neil Barnes, defence coach Tabai Matson, attack coach Roger Randle, scrum coach Nick White, and resource coach Andrew Strawbridge, who have all stayed on after last season.
So, the same as last year, with Gatland making changes in 2021?
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Former Chiefs first five-eighth and New Zealand under-20s assistant David Hill will join the backroom staff as an assistant coach, the Chiefs announced when revealing their coaching line-up for next season on Friday.
Hill will join the unit of forwards coach Neil Barnes, defence coach Tabai Matson, attack coach Roger Randle, scrum coach Nick White, and resource coach Andrew Strawbridge, who have all stayed on after last season.
So, the same as last year, with Gatland making changes in 2021?
@Tim said in Chiefs 2020:
Former Chiefs first five-eighth and New Zealand under-20s assistant David Hill will join the backroom staff as an assistant coach, the Chiefs announced when revealing their coaching line-up for next season on Friday.
Hill will join the unit of forwards coach Neil Barnes, defence coach Tabai Matson, attack coach Roger Randle, scrum coach Nick White, and resource coach Andrew Strawbridge, who have all stayed on after last season.
So, the same as last year, with Gatland making changes in 2021?
Last year as in 2018?
I'm happy that Barnes is back in charge of the forwards as moving him to the defence coach this year was a mistake. White did well as the scrum coach but I didn't think the forwards performed as well when he became the forwards coach.
Matson was the attack coach so he now has a change of role. AFAIK Strawbridge was the defence coach before the reshuffle. I had thought he was being moved aside when he took over Waikato.
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@Tim said in Chiefs 2020:
Former Chiefs first five-eighth and New Zealand under-20s assistant David Hill will join the backroom staff as an assistant coach, the Chiefs announced when revealing their coaching line-up for next season on Friday.
Hill will join the unit of forwards coach Neil Barnes, defence coach Tabai Matson, attack coach Roger Randle, scrum coach Nick White, and resource coach Andrew Strawbridge, who have all stayed on after last season.
So, the same as last year, with Gatland making changes in 2021?
Last year as in 2018?
I'm happy that Barnes is back in charge of the forwards as moving him to the defence coach this year was a mistake. White did well as the scrum coach but I didn't think the forwards performed as well when he became the forwards coach.
Matson was the attack coach so he now has a change of role. AFAIK Strawbridge was the defence coach before the reshuffle. I had thought he was being moved aside when he took over Waikato.
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Bloody hell I just realised how little attention I paid to Super Rugby and the chiefs last year. Did the Chiefs make the playoffs??
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Bloody hell I just realised how little attention I paid to Super Rugby and the chiefs last year. Did the Chiefs make the playoffs??
@Baron-Silas-Greenback yes. Played quarters against Jaguares and lost by 4 I think.
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I'm a bit concerned actually that in the rush to grab Gatland the Chiefs have got themselves in a mess coaching wise.
Gatland hasn't chosen this team, he is coming in and running a team already in place that seem to have already decided how to run themselves with some role shuffling. Kind of like a new CEO just keeping all the senior management and hoping they can work successfully under him. There is an element of finger crossing here.
Then we have the 2021 situation where either one of these guys will be temporarily standing in as head coach (likely) or someone else will have to come in from outside the group and run it without changing much.
It's just all a bit messy and seems to lock these guys in place for the next couple of years because of the disruption factor.Time will obviously tell but I can't believe that anyone would willingly plan things in this manner so that in 2022 Gats can form his own coaching team and push on. Just looks like a 2 year holding pattern to me.
