Grace Millane
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I wonder how many column inches her death is still getting in England?
The politicising and grandstanding of some opinionists in our local 'media' is pathetic and getting extremely shameful.
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@taniwharugby said in Grace Millane:
I wonder how many column inches her death is still getting in England?
The politicising and grandstanding of some opinionists in our local 'media' is pathetic and getting extremely shameful.
It's been shameful since day one, I'm genuinely staggered it's still going on though.....we've had a solid fucken week of it! Enough already.
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@mn5 said in Grace Millane:
@taniwharugby said in Grace Millane:
I wonder how many column inches her death is still getting in England?
The politicising and grandstanding of some opinionists in our local 'media' is pathetic and getting extremely shameful.
It's been shameful since day one, I'm genuinely staggered it's still going on though.....we've had a solid fucken week of it! Enough already.
Look mate, scandals involving the prime minister being linked to a Czech drug dealing hells angels associate who is currently in prison and who’s ex wife is so afraid of him she’s in hiding in a safe house don’t get out of the news cycle by themselves. Until she can get some photos up online of Baby Neve in her first Xmas outfits this has to do .
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@jegga said in Grace Millane:
@mn5 said in Grace Millane:
@taniwharugby said in Grace Millane:
I wonder how many column inches her death is still getting in England?
The politicising and grandstanding of some opinionists in our local 'media' is pathetic and getting extremely shameful.
It's been shameful since day one, I'm genuinely staggered it's still going on though.....we've had a solid fucken week of it! Enough already.
Look mate, scandals involving the prime minister being linked to a Czech drug dealing hells angels associate who is currently in prison and who’s ex wife is so afraid of him she’s in hiding in a safe house don’t get out of the news cycle by themselves. Until she can get some photos up online of Baby Neve in her first Xmas outfits this has to do .
She's probably booked Neve in to see Santa this week, with her PR team in tow
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@canefan said in Grace Millane:
@jegga said in Grace Millane:
@mn5 said in Grace Millane:
@taniwharugby said in Grace Millane:
I wonder how many column inches her death is still getting in England?
The politicising and grandstanding of some opinionists in our local 'media' is pathetic and getting extremely shameful.
It's been shameful since day one, I'm genuinely staggered it's still going on though.....we've had a solid fucken week of it! Enough already.
Look mate, scandals involving the prime minister being linked to a Czech drug dealing hells angels associate who is currently in prison and who’s ex wife is so afraid of him she’s in hiding in a safe house don’t get out of the news cycle by themselves. Until she can get some photos up online of Baby Neve in her first Xmas outfits this has to do .
She's probably booked Neve in to see Santa this week, with her PR team in tow
And a photographer from the ad agency who are coincidentally donors to labour.
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At the vigil people led dogs with white bandanas .
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12178027
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Apparently accused has plead Not Guilty to Murder, and still has name suppression.
Justice Moore continued the man's interim name suppression until either an appeal was filed or abandoned by the man's lawyer, Ian Brookie.
Trial date set down for November, swift wheels of justice!
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@taniwharugby that seems like an age. Especially for the family
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Looks like the Grace Millane murder accused is employing a variation of the Tostee defence
Even if the death was a kinky sex act gone wrong, how does he explain googling how to get rid of a body, surfing porn and going on another date the day after?
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@canefan I guess it'll depend on whether they can say he auto-piloted or had an episode of some kind after her death. But that list of actions makes that a looooong bow to draw.
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@Paekakboyz said in Grace Millane:
@canefan I guess it'll depend on whether they can say he auto-piloted or had an episode of some kind after her death. But that list of actions makes that a looooong bow to draw.
Was he having an episode when he stuffed her in the suitcase and drove her out to the Waitakeres? Long bow indeed, he is lucky I'm not on the jury
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Don’t think they are denying his actions but claiming they are irrelevant to the charge of murder.
Argument is that it is about how death occurred, not what happened afterwards.Charge murder and you have to prove intent don’t you? Unless the prosecution has some evidence of pre-planning that will be difficult to prove.
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@Crucial said in Grace Millane:
Don’t think they are denying his actions but claiming they are irrelevant to the charge of murder.
Argument is that it is about how death occurred, not what happened afterwards.Charge murder and you have to prove intent don’t you? Unless the prosecution has some evidence of pre-planning that will be difficult to prove.
Perhaps they should have gone with a lesser charge of manslaughter
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@canefan said in Grace Millane:
@Crucial said in Grace Millane:
Don’t think they are denying his actions but claiming they are irrelevant to the charge of murder.
Argument is that it is about how death occurred, not what happened afterwards.Charge murder and you have to prove intent don’t you? Unless the prosecution has some evidence of pre-planning that will be difficult to prove.
Perhaps they should have gone with a lesser charge of manslaughter
They will still use his actions afterwards to create a “frame of mind” picture that points towards a deliberate or reckless act I guess.
Probably also have to get others to testify whether she had history of liking rough sex as well.
Must be a hard case to sit through for the parents, listening to your dead daughters sex life -
@canefan said in Grace Millane:
@Paekakboyz said in Grace Millane:
@canefan I guess it'll depend on whether they can say he auto-piloted or had an episode of some kind after her death. But that list of actions makes that a looooong bow to draw.
Was he having an episode when he stuffed her in the suitcase and drove her out to the Waitakeres? Long bow indeed, he is lucky I'm not on the jury
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while proving he intended to murder her will be difficult and sounds like it could have been accidental, his reported actions after murdering her seem pretty cold rather than panic.
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@Snowy said in Grace Millane:
@canefan said in Grace Millane:
@Paekakboyz said in Grace Millane:
@canefan I guess it'll depend on whether they can say he auto-piloted or had an episode of some kind after her death. But that list of actions makes that a looooong bow to draw.
Was he having an episode when he stuffed her in the suitcase and drove her out to the Waitakeres? Long bow indeed, he is lucky I'm not on the jury
I... Ahhh... Are you enjoying dentistry in your new get up?
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@taniwharugby said in Grace Millane:
while proving he intended to murder her will be difficult and sounds like it could have been accidental, his reported actions after murdering her seem pretty cold rather than panic.
I actually think they sound very much like panic. Not frantic panic but someone trying to process and deal with a fucked situation while covering up for themselves.
The disposal, the cleaning, the setting up another date.....
The questions for me are around the time between the act (presumably not an overly long time after they went back to his) and the internet searching.
He reckons he passed out in the shower. Now, if he/they were so pissed that he was at the point of passing out, how on earth does he claim consent to a dangerous sex act, and how does he know clearly that it happened.
Or did he get carried away, it all went wrong and he freaked out for a while.
What are the other scenarios here that would be murder?
He got overly freaky against her will? No sign of fighting back from her (at least not presented yet)
He got freaky on her while she was passed out? Don't get why you would try and enhance pleasure on someone that was out of it.
He subdued her while asleep, then had his way? That could use up a lot of the time gap.Other question is motive. If this was deliberate then it was spur of the moment deliberate after being presented with an opportunity to carry out a fantasy. All the 'planning' was done afterwards and not very well.
