All Black Coach - Ian Foster

pakman

@nzzp said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

@Tim said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

@nzzp With two disallowed tries. Our defence was weak as shit in that game.

One was a massive obstruction the other was lucky to get ruled out.

That said, we didnt' lose that mainly because of our defence. We got smashed up front, and couldn't make any yards with the ball. It was horrific.

Retallick forced the turnover at the maul where Poms lost the ball, even if we were lucky TMO on ball.

pakman

@Nevorian said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

the thing that really sucks is we have another 8 months for our next game, that's two thirds of a whole year. And god knows how long it will be before we play England again

One year!

chimoaus

Any chance Razor would be the forwards coach with JJ and Brown?

Daffy Jaffy

This from Wales on Line -
New Zealand have ruled out appointing a foreign coach, revealing that they have asked 26 New Zealanders to apply for the vacant All Blacks position.

Japan coach Jamie Joseph, Hansen's assistant Ian Foster and Crusaders boss Scott Robertson are all heavily linked with the job.

But AFP report that departing Wales coach Warren Gatland is in the mix.

However, it is understood he has been told he could not coach the All Blacks and keep his contract as the British and Irish Lions coach for the 2021 tour to South Africa.

rotated

@Daffy-Jaffy said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

But AFP report that departing Wales coach Warren Gatland is in the mix.

However, it is understood he has been told he could not coach the All Blacks and keep his contract as the British and Irish Lions coach for the 2021 tour to South Africa.

He has been in it since the start. I'm not sure why many editorialized out of the Tew interview that Gatland was out of the running - he simply said he can't do both which seems obvious given NZ have fixtures in July 2021.

Gatland likely has an out clause if he gets the AB posting, but if not it's difficult to see the Home Unions holding him to that contract. On both previous tours Gats wasn't reconfirmed until ~9 months out before the tour and Eddie among others would presumably be up for it...

Bovidae

Joe Schmidt isn't one of the 26 coaches contacted according to Impey (for family reasons).

Crucial

@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

Jason O'Halloran

He is currently Rennie's assistant at Glasgow

Machpants

@Daffy-Jaffy said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

This from Wales on Line -
New Zealand have ruled out appointing a foreign coach, revealing that they have asked 26 New Zealanders to apply for the vacant All Blacks position.

Bollox, Wales are misreading the ABs press release. it says knowledge of NZ pro rugby, not NZer. Very much implied and we in no way need to look for a foreign coach, but WO are making it up.

Tim

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12283121

As the search for Steve Hansen's replacement begins, New Zealand Rugby chairperson Brett Impey revealed yesterday that 26 Kiwi coaches have been invited to apply for the head coach role

Those 26 have been asked to bring their team of supporting coaches into the process with them.

But who could be the 26? We take a guess of the long list.

Scott Robertson

Three successive Super Rugby titles gives the highly-respected Crusaders mentor strong credentials to carry the new broom. If not now, then, when?

Chance of being involved: Highly likely
2. Jamie Joseph

One Super Rugby title with the Highlanders but it's his recent work guiding Japan to the World Cup quarterfinals for the first time that really impressed.
Chance of being involved: Highly likely
3. Ian Foster

Eight years as Steve Hansen's right hand man hands Foster the argument for continuity, one that has worked for the All Blacks since 2008.

Chance of being involved: Highly likely
4. Tony Brown

A major part of the success of the Highlanders and Japan alongside Joseph. Brown is an astute attacking mind who rebuffed approaches from Robertson and Foster in favour of pledging his loyalty to Joseph. Could yet prove a decisive move.

Chance of being involved: Highly likely

Vern Cotter

The former Bay of Plenty and Crusaders assistant has enjoyed success in Europe where he led Clermont to their maiden title and Scotland to the verge of the World Cup semifinals, only to be duped by a poor refereeing decision. Now in his final season at Montpellier.

Chance of being involved: Possibility
6. Dave Rennie

Led the Chiefs to their first two titles before departing for a new challenge at Glasgow. Rennie is highly respected man manager by those he has coached but also has the option of the Wallabies chasing his services.

Chance of being involved: Likely
7. Joe Schmidt

Schmidt's latest news is he will remain in Ireland, rather than return home to New Zealand. Led Ireland to the top of the world rankings in 2018, only to then falter at the World Cup quarterfinals for a second time. Publicly stated he is not interested in the All Blacks head coach role and has since announced the release of his autobiography which he wrote himself.

Chance of being involved: Unlikely
8. Milton Haig

The former Counties Manukau mentor did a fine job with Georgia, who deserved more opportunities against the established Six Nations hierarchy than they received.

Chance of being involved: Unlikely
9. Warren Gatland

Finished his successful 12-year tenure with Wales and will now return home to lead the Chiefs before taking the 2021 season out to guide the Lions for a third time. With those commitments, it seems impossible to juggle the All Blacks too.

Chance of being involved: Unlikely
10. John McKee

Well-travelled New Zealand-born Fiji coach had a disappointing World Cup with the leading Pacific Island nation suffering a shock loss to Uruguay despite pushing the Wallabies and Wales.

Chance of being involved: Unlikely
11. Wayne Smith

Would be silly not to at least approach the man dubbed the 'professor' but Smith is happy in Japan where his Kobe team are riding high.

Chance of being involved: Unlikely
12. John Mitchell

The stocks of the former All Blacks and Chiefs coach have risen from the ashes following a World Cup in which he led England's staunch defence. More likely to try position himself to take over whenever Eddie Jones steps aside.

Chance of being involved: Unlikely
13. Brad Mooar

Served his apprenticeship at the Crusaders under Robertson and could, potentially, be coaxed back to re-join the crew. But having just started his first season as head coach at the Scarlets, it would require a swift backflip.

Chance of being involved: Unlikely
14. Todd Blackadder

Blotted his copybook since leaving the Crusaders after a disappointing stint with the well-resourced Bath. Now starting his new role with Japanese club Toshiba.

Chance of being involved: Unlikely
15. Pat Lam

Well settled in the north where he has rebuilt his career after the ugly exit from the Blues. Led Connacht to the Pro 12 title and has since assumed the reins at big-spending English club Bristol.

Chance of being involved: Unlikely
16. Chris Boyd

Guided the Hurricanes to their maiden title and then restored pride to Northampton in his first season in the English Premiership. Now into his second of a three year contract with Saints.

Chance of being involved: Unlikely
17. Jono Gibbes

Former New Zealand Maori captain now La Rochelle director of rugby who recently hired Ronan O'Gara as coach. Respected forwards mentor who has close ties with Ian Foster.
Chance of being involved: Highly likely
18. Simon Mannix

One test All Blacks and Wellington first five-eighth who has coached in France for over a decade. Endured a tough recent time at French club Pau.

Chance of being involved: Highly Unlikely
19. Leon MacDonald

One year into role as Blues head coach, probably lacks the experience to take the top role with just one season in Super Rugby and a few at Mitre 10 Cup level as a head coach. One to look out for in the future. Will always have a TV gig to fall back on after his role in NZME's Beyond the Game.

Chance of being involved: Unlikely
20. Robbie Deans

The greatest coach in Super Rugby history worked with the All Blacks alongside head coach John Mitchell in 2002 and 2003 and then was a strong candidate for the top job before losing out to incumbent Graham Henry following the 2007 World Cup disaster. Went onto coach Australia for five years before leaving the role in 2013. Has been coaching in Japan since.

Chance of being involved: Highly Unlikely.
21. John Plumtree

The current Hurricanes head coach had a varied resume with international experience. He coached the Sharks in Super Rugby as well as assistant roles with Ireland and Japan. Heading into year two of a three-year contract with the Hurricanes with the team reaching the semifinals in his first year.

Chance of being involved: Can't be ruled out.
22. Aaron Mauger

The former All Blacks second-five eighth began his coaching career with the Crusaders as an assistant, under Blackadder, before heading the head coaching role at the Leicester Tigers. Became Highlanders coach last season, replacing Tony Brown, and will head into year two of his three-year deal next season.

Chance of being involved: Can't be ruled out.
23. Colin Cooper

A great record with New Zealand Maori and Junior All Blacks, but a nearly man with the Hurricanes and Chiefs.

Chance of being involved: Zero
24. Tom Coventry

Blues assistant coach whose varied coaching history includes assisting Dave Rennie to two Super Rugby titles at the Chiefs.

Chance of being involved: A roughie now, but a big chance down the track.
25. Brad Thorn

Legendary World Cup test lock who coaches the Queensland Reds. Seems entrenched in the Australian system as a potential future head coach.

Chance of being involved: High if the public was voting, otherwise not so good.
26. Daryl Gibson

Former All Black back and departed Waratahs coach. Yet another former Crusaders assistant coach. Not the strongest resume.

Chance of being involved: None.

taniwharugby

@Tim said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

Wayne Smith
Would be silly not to at least approach the man dubbed the 'professor' but Smith is happy in Japan where his Kobe team are riding high.

I like the fact they threw it out to Wayne Smith!!

Maybe he could come on in a technical/advisory type role to help a greenhorn like Razor

Stargazer

@Tim NZH is just guessing, so there could be others that have been invited. It's nightmare material, but they are not mentioning Hammett and Philpott, and I wouldn't exclude the possibility that they're on the "list".

taniwharugby

@Stargazer I would... :folded_hands_medium-light_skin_tone:

Chester Draws

@Tim said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

Ian Foster

Eight years as Steve Hansen's right hand man hands Foster the argument for continuity, one that has worked for the All Blacks since 2008.

Chance of being involved: Highly likely

The All Blacks have been on the slide since the peak of 2015. I was rather hoping that the losses to Ireland, the Lions, the recent thrashing by the Aussies etc, the narrowing of the gap by the Boks had been remedied by the RWC. Dry powder and all that.

But they hadn't fixed the problems, and our direction will continue downwards if we go with the "continuity" candidate. Why anyone would be happy with that is beyond me.

I recall Blackadder taking the reins at the Crusaders as a continuity candidate of a system that brought constant success -- except it didn't.

chimoaus

Was Colin Cooper the only one to get a zero chance?

Chris B.

@Stargazer said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

@Tim NZH is just guessing, so there could be others that have been invited. It's nightmare material, but they are not mentioning Hammett and Philpott, and I wouldn't exclude the possibility that they're on the "list".

I'd actually be pretty surprised if Hammer wasn't on the list.

He's a lot more popular with NZ Rugby than he is with, especially Hurricanes fans, the fern.

He won't get the Head Coach job, but I wouldn't discount the possibility of him getting a slot as forwards coach.

Chris B.

@Chester-Draws Yeah - I agree with the premise. Mark Reason made a similar argument the other day about continuity at Liverpool FC - continuity worked until it didn't.

Though Toddy wasn't strictly the continuity candidate at the Crusaders. That would have been Hammer. Toddy coached in Scotland and then came to the Mako.

Crucial

What’s the money on a Fozzie/Cotter/Gibbes combo applying?

ACT Crusader

@Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

What’s the money on a Fozzie/Cotter/Gibbes combo applying?

‘Money down the toilet’ odds...

Chris B.

@Crucial I'm thinking Fozzie would be running with most of the current staff but, he'll need someone to replace himself.

If I'm being deadly serious, I'd probably favour Rennie getting the Head Coach job. It's probably now or never for Dave - whereas Razor especially and Jamie might get better over the next four years - but at least probably won't go over the hill.

If I'm talking dream teams - I'd like to see Rennie paired with Robbie Deans as attack coach. I don't think Robbie's aspiring (or saleable) to be Head Coach, but he's wandering round with vast IP. Then I think you need someone very human as the forwards coach and doing the PR - which could be Razor, but perhaps not immediately - bring him in in 2022 as part of a succession plan. Maybe Coventry in the meantime?

Bovidae

@Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

@Crucial I'm thinking Fozzie would be running with most of the current staff but, he'll need someone to replace himself.

Cron is gone too so, as I mentioned previously, the forward coach will be the most important appointment for all the aspiring AB coaches.

I would expect the coaching group to be:
Head coach
Forwards coach with maybe a specialist scrum coach
Attack/backs coach
Defence coach

You can also add in a skills coach.

No surprise that NZR wants the interviewees to have their coaching group sorted, especially if there is no crossover in their preferred assistants. It will show them who they can work with.

The Silver Fern

All Black Coach - Ian Foster