2020 All Blacks Squad
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@Duluth said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@mariner4life said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
Patty T just isn't coming along.
I thought he made some big progress this year after the nutrition change. He should've gotten more game time
strides yes, but he's not consistent enough.
@mariner4life said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
strides yes, but he's not consistent enough.
I thought he was consistently good in the RC. Really stepped up and was Kaino-esque at times.
Seems to be a lot more mature as well - think he'll figure quite highly for the ABs next year
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@gt12 I don't think there will be that many changes. Only where players have left and/or we still haven't found the solution to previous departures.
Lock: Parkinson, Walker-Leawere may be options if they have good SR seasons; I haven't written off Strange yet, either.
6/8: Name to be added to the ones you mention: Blackadder if he has a good SR season (he will probably get more game time in 2020); he had a huge NPC season. Longer term: I hope Flanders will get his chances at the Canes (I'm not too confident, because it's the Canes after all); Mikaele-Tu'u is a big lad who should get more game time for the Landers now that Whitelock and E Dixon have finally buggered off.
Halfback: Fakatava should leapfrog Hammington and get more game time in 2020. Definitely will be on the radar for the long-term. In the mean time, Smith, TJP and Weber will do. Not sure TTT will be in the frame again.
1st five: apart from Josh Ioane there aren't many options for a third 10 in 2020. I'm looking forward to seeing how Falcon goes for the Chiefs (if he can stay injury free).
Midfield: if he gets enough game time, maybe Toala (12, but also good at 15 and can play 10. good goal kicker) and, of course, Ennor as a wing/centre option is already capped. With Laumape an almost certain addition, I think we're fine in the midfield.
Outside backs: definitely David Havili. Can play fullback, midfield and even 10 (he did very well there for the Mako). Has a great boot, too. Had an excellent SR and NPC season in 2019. He was close to an RWC spot and IMO he should have been there instead of Jordie. Jordan still needs to prove himself more at SR level looks a good prospect. We'll have to see who of the sevens boys will be keepers for XVs. Nareki was hot and cold during NPC; same Koroi. Can't say I've noticed Clarke too often. Rayasi has potential but needs game time, which will be hard in a stacked Canes squad. I think Goosen is too small. If Dmac and Reece are already there, you don't want another midget.
@Stargazer said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
With Laumape an almost certain addition, I think we're fine in the midfield.
As long as don't keep buggering about with selection and get some stability at 12/13.
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@cgrant said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
Big does not mean good as far as midfielders are concerned. Speed and technical abilities are what counts most.
I've always liked one bigger to run crash ball as required matched with one leaner/faster. Osbourne/Robertson, Nonu/Conrad, etc..
@pakman said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
I've always liked one bigger to run crash ball as required matched with one leaner/faster. Osbourne/Robertson, Nonu/Conrad, etc..
In his day, Bruce Robinson was big for a midfielder - esp. for a 13. Osbourne was actually smaller.
But they were a great combination - which we haven't had any stability for 2-3 years.
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@Daffy-Jaffy handling skills reminiscent of Brad Shields though.
@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Daffy-Jaffy handling skills reminiscent of Brad Shields though.
Yeah, but not as "English as Fish and Chips" like Shields.
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@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Daffy-Jaffy handling skills reminiscent of Brad Shields though.
Yeah, but not as "English as Fish and Chips" like Shields.
@Victor-Meldrew said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Daffy-Jaffy handling skills reminiscent of Brad Shields though.
Yeah, but not as "English as Fish and Chips" like Shields.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Daffy-Jaffy handling skills reminiscent of Brad Shields though.
Yeah, but not as "English as Fish and Chips" like Shields.
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@pakman said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
I've always liked one bigger to run crash ball as required matched with one leaner/faster. Osbourne/Robertson, Nonu/Conrad, etc..
In his day, Bruce Robinson was big for a midfielder - esp. for a 13. Osbourne was actually smaller.
But they were a great combination - which we haven't had any stability for 2-3 years.
@Victor-Meldrew said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@pakman said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
I've always liked one bigger to run crash ball as required matched with one leaner/faster. Osbourne/Robertson, Nonu/Conrad, etc..
In his day, Bruce Robinson was big for a midfielder - esp. for a 13. Osbourne was actually smaller.
But they were a great combination - which we haven't had any stability for 2-3 years.
It was Bruce Robertson and Billy Osborne (not Robinson and Osbourne).
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I think people putting far too much weight into that England game, we were flat as England were against SA. Our “small” team was certainly big enough when we played the Boks and I would say our back row and midfield came out on top. ALB/Laumape/Goodhue/Ennor all have the physical/skill requirements to excel at Test level. My one question would be our line speed in defence, we have not been that consistent as to whether we push really hard or hold back a little even though results have tended to be good if not a little mixed. I think Savea cannot be left out f starting XV and Cane if fit has to have a place which definitely leaves room for one big unit in Reads abscence and though all contenders have all been a little dissaponting you hope someone puts their hand up this season. In the second row Tuipolotu can solidify his spot and Barrett minus silly penalties plays above his size.
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I think people putting far too much weight into that England game, we were flat as England were against SA. Our “small” team was certainly big enough when we played the Boks and I would say our back row and midfield came out on top. ALB/Laumape/Goodhue/Ennor all have the physical/skill requirements to excel at Test level. My one question would be our line speed in defence, we have not been that consistent as to whether we push really hard or hold back a little even though results have tended to be good if not a little mixed. I think Savea cannot be left out f starting XV and Cane if fit has to have a place which definitely leaves room for one big unit in Reads abscence and though all contenders have all been a little dissaponting you hope someone puts their hand up this season. In the second row Tuipolotu can solidify his spot and Barrett minus silly penalties plays above his size.
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I can seen Savea becoming a So'oialo Mark 2 at number 8. Add in Cane at 7 and an enforcer at 6 and that's a beautiful loose forward trio.
I'd love to see Barrett get a season at 6 because he'd be perfect I think. Although I am always sceptical of converting athletic locks to 6. An athletic lock is too often a below average athlete at blindside, turning one of their biggest strengths into a weakness.
Really depends on whether the crusaders are willing to try it out.
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I can seen Savea becoming a So'oialo Mark 2 at number 8. Add in Cane at 7 and an enforcer at 6 and that's a beautiful loose forward trio.
I'd love to see Barrett get a season at 6 because he'd be perfect I think. Although I am always sceptical of converting athletic locks to 6. An athletic lock is too often a below average athlete at blindside, turning one of their biggest strengths into a weakness.
Really depends on whether the crusaders are willing to try it out.
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I can seen Savea becoming a So'oialo Mark 2 at number 8. Add in Cane at 7 and an enforcer at 6 and that's a beautiful loose forward trio.
I'd love to see Barrett get a season at 6 because he'd be perfect I think. Although I am always sceptical of converting athletic locks to 6. An athletic lock is too often a below average athlete at blindside, turning one of their biggest strengths into a weakness.
Really depends on whether the crusaders are willing to try it out.
@Cyclops said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
I can seen Savea becoming a So'oialo Mark 2 at number 8. Add in Cane at 7 and an enforcer at 6 and that's a beautiful loose forward trio.
I'd love to see Barrett get a season at 6 because he'd be perfect I think. Although I am always sceptical of converting athletic locks to 6. An athletic lock is too often a below average athlete at blindside, turning one of their biggest strengths into a weakness.
Really depends on whether the crusaders are willing to try it out.
Probably not during the 2020 season because Sam Whitelock won't play SR in 2020.
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I can seen Savea becoming a So'oialo Mark 2 at number 8. Add in Cane at 7 and an enforcer at 6 and that's a beautiful loose forward trio.
I'd love to see Barrett get a season at 6 because he'd be perfect I think. Although I am always sceptical of converting athletic locks to 6. An athletic lock is too often a below average athlete at blindside, turning one of their biggest strengths into a weakness.
Really depends on whether the crusaders are willing to try it out.
@Cyclops said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
I can seen Savea becoming a So'oialo Mark 2 at number 8.
So long as he isnt worked into the ground so that his form dropped off a cliff.
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This seems the best thread to post this.
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@Stargazer I hadn't previously registered that Brodie is skipping a big chunk of next year's Super rugby, as well.
Will be interesting to see how he comes back.
@Chris-B said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Stargazer I hadn't previously registered that Brodie is skipping a big chunk of next year's Super rugby, as well.
Will be interesting to see how he comes back.
Could be a smart move on the part of the NZRFU
Playing in Keeps them match fit without the pressure from S15 and their return can be managed.
Might help the game in Japan with 2 world class players drawing spectators in
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Combined wise heads of the Fern,
Thought I'd seek some guidance about who to look out for this coming Super Season, particularly those bubbling under and around the fringes, and the potential young stars on the way up.
I've started a list based on who has been there before (current or recent squad members), and then added guys for whom I've noticed some hype, or perhaps mention.
Appreciate your feedback as to whether they are real contenders, and who else may or should be added. Probably missed a few too.
? - indicates possible
'*' - indicates multiple positions (may not have got all of those)I also lumped all the loosies into one group, as I did the midfield, coz I got lazy.
Some feedback on the Saders would be good as I felt I've under represented them, but they look a real strong squad.
Thank You in anticipation.
Player list as follows (pretty sure you don't need numbers or position names
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Moody, Moli*, Ta'avao*, Tu'inukuafe, Lidenmuth?, Alaalatoa?,
Coles, Taylor, Coltman, Harris, Aumua, Taukei'aho?, Riccitelli?, Makalio?,
Laulala, Tu'ungafasi, Ta'avao*, Moli*, Fidow?,
Barrett, Tuipolotu, Parkinson, Walker-Leaware?,
McWhannel?, Romano?,Cane, Savea, Jacobsen, Frizell, Ioane, Papalii, Evans, Fifita, Robinson?, Kirifi?,
Smith, Perenara, Weber, Tahuriorangi, Drummond, Enari?, Hall?, Fakatava?,
Barrett, Mo'unga, Ioane, McKenzie*, Cruden?, Perofeta?, Falcon?, Plummer?, Cameron?,
Lienert-Brown, Goodhue, Laumape, Ennor, Tupaea?, Aso?, Procter?,
Bridge, Reece, Ioane, Jordan*, Alaimalo?, Clarke?,
Smith, Barrett, Mckenzie*, Jordan*,
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Combined wise heads of the Fern,
Thought I'd seek some guidance about who to look out for this coming Super Season, particularly those bubbling under and around the fringes, and the potential young stars on the way up.
I've started a list based on who has been there before (current or recent squad members), and then added guys for whom I've noticed some hype, or perhaps mention.
Appreciate your feedback as to whether they are real contenders, and who else may or should be added. Probably missed a few too.
? - indicates possible
'*' - indicates multiple positions (may not have got all of those)I also lumped all the loosies into one group, as I did the midfield, coz I got lazy.
Some feedback on the Saders would be good as I felt I've under represented them, but they look a real strong squad.
Thank You in anticipation.
Player list as follows (pretty sure you don't need numbers or position names
)
Moody, Moli*, Ta'avao*, Tu'inukuafe, Lidenmuth?, Alaalatoa?,
Coles, Taylor, Coltman, Harris, Aumua, Taukei'aho?, Riccitelli?, Makalio?,
Laulala, Tu'ungafasi, Ta'avao*, Moli*, Fidow?,
Barrett, Tuipolotu, Parkinson, Walker-Leaware?,
McWhannel?, Romano?,Cane, Savea, Jacobsen, Frizell, Ioane, Papalii, Evans, Fifita, Robinson?, Kirifi?,
Smith, Perenara, Weber, Tahuriorangi, Drummond, Enari?, Hall?, Fakatava?,
Barrett, Mo'unga, Ioane, McKenzie*, Cruden?, Perofeta?, Falcon?, Plummer?, Cameron?,
Lienert-Brown, Goodhue, Laumape, Ennor, Tupaea?, Aso?, Procter?,
Bridge, Reece, Ioane, Jordan*, Alaimalo?, Clarke?,
Smith, Barrett, Mckenzie*, Jordan*,
@booboo Alaalatoa is a tighthead , but no use watching him as he's capped for Samoa.
I think Romano is done at test level - Quinten Strange is one to keep a loose eye on - he's one who could be ready to step his performance up significantly.
Whetu Douglas at No. 8 probably the most likely Crusaders loose forward.
Alex Nankivell at the Chiefs at 2nd five. Vast improvement last year.
David Havili at fullback - but, any of the Crusaders outside backs - Manasa Mataele and Big Leicester could both potentially wreak havoc if they're given chances. Jona Nareki also one to watch for the future.
