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<p>I think the current flag will win in a land slide. That disappoints me but not as much as it disappoints me that any chance of a real debate has been destroyed by frenzied politicking and social media retardness.</p>
<p>The conservative fringe has been joined by the hate John Key fringe. It is a weird mix. And when you combine it with the perfectly normal folks who just like the current flag or are who easily influenced by the fringe.. then the result is a foregone conclusion.</p>
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<p>I also have real issues with the RSA and the stance they are taking. telling people to sabotage the democratic process is a disgrace, as is taking a position at all. The RSA is an organisation for members. And I know for a fact that some members want a change. A majority? Maybe not. Probably not. But enough to know that as an organisation they have no real right to speak on behalf of members on this issue.</p> -
<p>spot on re RSA Baron.</p>
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<p>As some would know in my spare time I chair a NFP with over 4,000 business members and as such have been heavily engaged in submitting on their behalf to the hearings on Akl Councils proposed Unitary Plan.</p>
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<p>One of our biggest issues is avoiding the temptation to believe we know best and to instead actively canvas the opinions of our members.</p>
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<p>Of course we can never please everyone but we at least make a real effort to hear the view of all and fairly represent it.</p>
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<p>RSA seem to have made a basic assumption on the wants of their membership which I think is probably accurate but ignores a sizeable minority. A minority that is big enough so that they should have resisted any of the grandstanding they're indulging in.</p>
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<p>Wrapping yourself in the flag (sic) to promote anti-democratic behaviour is the anti-thesis of what they are trying to promote.</p>
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How old would the now of the rsa members be now? There'd be hardly any from ww2 a few from Korea and Malaya and the rest would be viet nam era wouldn't they? If the majority are from the viet nam era urs quite odd to see them getting behind the flag they fought for etc, we had a seperate club for viet nam vets the police and fire fighters because the local branch treated thd viet nam vets like they didn't belong.
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<p>anyone can join the RSA though cant they? pretty sure they did a membership drive recently?</p>
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<p>I'm resigned to NZers voting to keep the current flag. Which I'll respect, but it will never be seen anywhere near my house. I live overseas, and I'll not be mistaken for Australian.</p>
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<p>Anyway I've made my votes and I'll upload it tomorrow.</p> -
<p>I'm still really disappointed we don't have a black flag with the silver fern on it.</p>
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<p>Went blue/black, then red/black, then Koru.</p> -
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<p>Anyone in the UK got their voting papers yet? I live in London and haven't got mine, registered and everything a few months back.</p>
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<p>I'm in Asia. Got mine last week.</p> -
<p>so they expect the results to be in later tonight.</p>
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<p>Prime Minister John Key, who launched the referendum process a year ago, said voter turnout was on course to overtake the last postal referendum in 2013, on the sale of state-owned assets.</p>
<p>"It shows you people are engaging," Mr Key said.</p>
<p>As of yesterday, 1,372,783 people had voted in the flag referendum. That amounted to 43.3 per cent of the voting population.</p>
<p>The turnout for the asset sales referendum was 1,368,925, or 45.1 per cent of the voting population at the time.</p>
<p>The most recent referendum on a constitutional issue, the MMP system, had a turnout of 74.2 per cent, though it was held at the same time as the 2011 general election.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11559268'>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11559268</a></p> -
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The Labour leader urged the Prime Minister to "stop wasting money on his pet project and use it to help needy children instead."<br><br>
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<p>yeah they should just ditch it now, it's apparently abundantly clear NZ has spoken and we don't want a change in flag!</p>
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<p>we have a winner: that was my choice, now need to think about whether I prefer that over the existing.</p>
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<p><img src="http://images.scribblelive.com/2015/12/11/8ce7b257-8a3b-4d6f-907d-2c6e7d27f482.jpg" alt="8ce7b257-8a3b-4d6f-907d-2c6e7d27f482.jpg"></p>
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<p style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(85,85,85);font-size:12.15px;"><span>1,527,042 votes were cast, including 148,022 informal votes (9.7%) </span><span>and 2,476 invalid votes (0.</span><span>16%).</span></p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Rancid Schnitzel" data-cid="547113" data-time="1449790451"><p>.<br>
The Labour leader urged the Prime Minister to "stop wasting money on his pet project and use it to help needy children instead."<br>
Seriously?</p></blockquote>
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The greens co leader told him off for referring to moronic women who leave to join Isis as " jihadi brides" .<br>
Because it's sexist to think that all a woman can be is a wife. <br><br>
Our opposition parties are a joke , this is not a good thing long term for us -
While that was my first pick, I'm still not sold on the design at all. The Fern looks like a feather, and half the flag is just our current flag.<br><br>
Very disappointing options to choose from. Why the fuck did we add fucking "red peak" as a 5th option instead of black with a Silver Fern? Agrh. -
<p>still ALOT of numpties out there who have no idea whats going on...</p>
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<p>comments like 'it's ok, but I prefer the current one' or 'but I prefer the current one' (like this is the new flag) </p>
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<p>and then there are the standard 'waste of money' 'shoulda spent money on feeding kids'</p>
