All Black Coach - Ian Foster
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So disappointed Joseph (and Brown) are not going to be in running. They are both the most innovative and ready to take ABs into next direction but such is life.
Foster and Robertson..........meh, neither fills me with ABs head coach confidence but will prob go with Foster due to continuity however I just don't believe he is one.
Robertson I do not want running an ABs team, the guy is a tool! I have been at a few games in which he is watching his son is playing and he spends the whole game abusing the ref and other team! his personality is not one I think is suited to the ABs job. -
@mofitzy_ said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Would love to know whether it was a purely money decision from Joseph or if he realised it was rigged from the start. Both are equally bad.
I don't understand why people think like this (not just mofitzy). Why does it have to be either about the money offered by the JRFU, or not being able to get the ABs gig (because the outcome has somehow already been determined)?
Has it ever crossed your mind that Joseph actually likes coaching Japan, loves the country and its culture, and loves living and working there? Maybe he feels that he hasn't finished his job there; that they may have finished 8th at the 2019RWC but that he wants to help them to get better and achieve more? That he wants them to win the whole darn thing in 2023 or at least try?
Just a though. Don't be small-minded.
@Stargazer Did you see Browns interview on the Breakdown? He was pretty clear on his desire to coach NZ, I just assumed JJ was the same. But I take your point, he may feel his jobs not done yet and he can apply for ABs after next WC. Mind you Gatland, Schmidt and Razor may be stiff comp next time.
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Seems more and more likely that Joseph and Rennie have both heard through the grapevine that the recruitment process is a farce. No point burning all their goodwill at NZR by being part of recruitment process of which the outcome has already been decided. Don't be surprised if Robertson drops out soon, and NZR award Foster the job as the last candidate standing.
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Seems more and more likely that Joseph and Rennie have both heard through the grapevine that the recruitment process is a farce. No point burning all their goodwill at NZR by being part of recruitment process of which the outcome has already been decided. Don't be surprised if Robertson drops out soon, and NZR award Foster the job as the last candidate standing.
NZR don't their arse from their elbow. The All Blacks' most dangerous foe is their own board.
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@Stargazer Did you see Browns interview on the Breakdown? He was pretty clear on his desire to coach NZ, I just assumed JJ was the same. But I take your point, he may feel his jobs not done yet and he can apply for ABs after next WC. Mind you Gatland, Schmidt and Razor may be stiff comp next time.
@chimoaus without scanning back through the thread, has it been confirmed Brown is staying with JJ in Japan?
Obviously he said he wanted to keep working with JJ, but was this at where ever JJ was or just assuming JJ was throwing his hat in the ring for the AB role?
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@chimoaus without scanning back through the thread, has it been confirmed Brown is staying with JJ in Japan?
Obviously he said he wanted to keep working with JJ, but was this at where ever JJ was or just assuming JJ was throwing his hat in the ring for the AB role?
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@taniwharugby The media release from the JRFU doesn't mention Brown at all, so I assume he hasn't been re-appointed, yet.
@Stargazer you would have to assume when he threw his lot in with JJ, he knew the likelyhood of JJ staying in Japan and this hasnt blindsided him?
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Been a long time since we didn’t pick the best coach available. I know that’s subjective, but does anyone really think Foster is better than Joseph (especially with Brown)?
If the Cantab mafia get Robertson as well we are back to the days of Mitchell being picked too early.
If they offered JJ the job and he turned it down for a better contract, what can you do? But I doubt that’s what happened. The 26 thing was just window dressing for a decision that’s already been made.
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Been a long time since we didn’t pick the best coach available. I know that’s subjective, but does anyone really think Foster is better than Joseph (especially with Brown)?
If the Cantab mafia get Robertson as well we are back to the days of Mitchell being picked too early.
If they offered JJ the job and he turned it down for a better contract, what can you do? But I doubt that’s what happened. The 26 thing was just window dressing for a decision that’s already been made.
@Kirwan said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Been a long time since we didn’t pick the best coach available. I know that’s subjective, but does anyone really think Foster is better than Joseph (especially with Brown)?
If the Cantab mafia get Robertson as well we are back to the days of Mitchell being picked too early.
If they offered JJ the job and he turned it down for a better contract, what can you do? But I doubt that’s what happened. The 26 thing was just window dressing for a decision that’s already been made.
Mitch had one season in Super Rugby where he finished 6th.
Whilst I agree Razor may be a bit green I don't think that's a fair comparison.
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So disappointed Joseph (and Brown) are not going to be in running. They are both the most innovative and ready to take ABs into next direction but such is life.
Foster and Robertson..........meh, neither fills me with ABs head coach confidence but will prob go with Foster due to continuity however I just don't believe he is one.
Robertson I do not want running an ABs team, the guy is a tool! I have been at a few games in which he is watching his son is playing and he spends the whole game abusing the ref and other team! his personality is not one I think is suited to the ABs job.@98blueandgold said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So disappointed Joseph (and Brown) are not going to be in running. They are both the most innovative and ready to take ABs into next direction but such is life.
Foster and Robertson..........meh, neither fills me with ABs head coach confidence but will prob go with Foster due to continuity however I just don't believe he is one.
Robertson I do not want running an ABs team, the guy is a tool! I have been at a few games in which he is watching his son is playing and he spends the whole game abusing the ref and other team! his personality is not one I think is suited to the ABs job.You know, that's the first negative comment I've read about him.
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@chimoaus without scanning back through the thread, has it been confirmed Brown is staying with JJ in Japan?
Obviously he said he wanted to keep working with JJ, but was this at where ever JJ was or just assuming JJ was throwing his hat in the ring for the AB role?
@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@chimoaus without scanning back through the thread, has it been confirmed Brown is staying with JJ in Japan?
Obviously he said he wanted to keep working with JJ, but was this at where ever JJ was or just assuming JJ was throwing his hat in the ring for the AB role?
Hopefully this early announcement frees up Brown to throw in his lot with others.
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@98blueandgold said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So disappointed Joseph (and Brown) are not going to be in running. They are both the most innovative and ready to take ABs into next direction but such is life.
Foster and Robertson..........meh, neither fills me with ABs head coach confidence but will prob go with Foster due to continuity however I just don't believe he is one.
Robertson I do not want running an ABs team, the guy is a tool! I have been at a few games in which he is watching his son is playing and he spends the whole game abusing the ref and other team! his personality is not one I think is suited to the ABs job.You know, that's the first negative comment I've read about him.
@booboo said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@98blueandgold said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So disappointed Joseph (and Brown) are not going to be in running. They are both the most innovative and ready to take ABs into next direction but such is life.
Foster and Robertson..........meh, neither fills me with ABs head coach confidence but will prob go with Foster due to continuity however I just don't believe he is one.
Robertson I do not want running an ABs team, the guy is a tool! I have been at a few games in which he is watching his son is playing and he spends the whole game abusing the ref and other team! his personality is not one I think is suited to the ABs job.You know, that's the first negative comment I've read about him.
Agree. I would have thought a parent would have filmed him by now and it would be all over the news/net. Maybe the Crusader mafia have delivered a few horse heads?
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@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@chimoaus without scanning back through the thread, has it been confirmed Brown is staying with JJ in Japan?
Obviously he said he wanted to keep working with JJ, but was this at where ever JJ was or just assuming JJ was throwing his hat in the ring for the AB role?
Hopefully this early announcement frees up Brown to throw in his lot with others.
@antipodean From the way Tony Brown was talking on the Breakdown a couple of weeks ago, he was pretty clear that he and Joseph are a team - where Jamie goes, Tony goes - with the only caveat that if Jamie went to coach Australia, Tony wasn't doing that. I guess that would change if the Japanese didn't want Tony, but I'd bet they do.
I'm sure this process is full of rumours, speculation and even politics - just like any big promotion at work, there will be people who are thought to be the favorites, people you'd expect would apply will decide it's not for them, people who will apply that are seemingly from left field - and like a big re-shuffle - people (perhaps like JJ) who don't want to be left without a chair to sit on.
Personally, I'm guessing Jamie reads the Fern and has been intimidated out of the race!
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@Stargazer
Fair call. Just assuming everything being equal he would pick his own country over another.@mofitzy_ said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Stargazer
Fair call. Just assuming everything being equal he would pick his own country over another.He has dual citizenship and also played for Japan, so he has picked his own country, one of
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@antipodean From the way Tony Brown was talking on the Breakdown a couple of weeks ago, he was pretty clear that he and Joseph are a team - where Jamie goes, Tony goes - with the only caveat that if Jamie went to coach Australia, Tony wasn't doing that. I guess that would change if the Japanese didn't want Tony, but I'd bet they do.
I'm sure this process is full of rumours, speculation and even politics - just like any big promotion at work, there will be people who are thought to be the favorites, people you'd expect would apply will decide it's not for them, people who will apply that are seemingly from left field - and like a big re-shuffle - people (perhaps like JJ) who don't want to be left without a chair to sit on.
Personally, I'm guessing Jamie reads the Fern and has been intimidated out of the race!
@Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Personally, I'm guessing Jamie reads the Fern and has been intimidated out of the race!
If we wind up with Fozzie I'm blaming you and your Fern application. Your Invitational XV will be the death of NZ rugby!
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Instead of all these conspiracy theories perhaps Joseph preferred to take a 100% chance at a four year appointment instead of a 25% or 33% chance at what is likely a two year appointment.
A more concerning factor could be control. Would a new coach have carte blanche like Henry and Hansen did? If so where does that leave Anthony and/or Shand.
We've seen countless times just in Aus/NZ high performance directors set up their little fiefdoms to the detriment of the national team.
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@mofitzy_ said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Stargazer
Fair call. Just assuming everything being equal he would pick his own country over another.He has dual citizenship and also played for Japan, so he has picked his own country, one of
@Machpants said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@mofitzy_ said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Stargazer
Fair call. Just assuming everything being equal he would pick his own country over another.He has dual citizenship and also played for Japan, so he has picked his own country, one of
Does he? I think to get JP citizenship as an adult, you have to give up you other citizenship.
He certainly played rugby for both countries, but that’s different
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@Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Personally, I'm guessing Jamie reads the Fern and has been intimidated out of the race!
If we wind up with Fozzie I'm blaming you and your Fern application. Your Invitational XV will be the death of NZ rugby!
