All Black Coach - Ian Foster
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@chimoaus without scanning back through the thread, has it been confirmed Brown is staying with JJ in Japan?
Obviously he said he wanted to keep working with JJ, but was this at where ever JJ was or just assuming JJ was throwing his hat in the ring for the AB role?
@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@chimoaus without scanning back through the thread, has it been confirmed Brown is staying with JJ in Japan?
Obviously he said he wanted to keep working with JJ, but was this at where ever JJ was or just assuming JJ was throwing his hat in the ring for the AB role?
Hopefully this early announcement frees up Brown to throw in his lot with others.
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@98blueandgold said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So disappointed Joseph (and Brown) are not going to be in running. They are both the most innovative and ready to take ABs into next direction but such is life.
Foster and Robertson..........meh, neither fills me with ABs head coach confidence but will prob go with Foster due to continuity however I just don't believe he is one.
Robertson I do not want running an ABs team, the guy is a tool! I have been at a few games in which he is watching his son is playing and he spends the whole game abusing the ref and other team! his personality is not one I think is suited to the ABs job.You know, that's the first negative comment I've read about him.
@booboo said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@98blueandgold said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So disappointed Joseph (and Brown) are not going to be in running. They are both the most innovative and ready to take ABs into next direction but such is life.
Foster and Robertson..........meh, neither fills me with ABs head coach confidence but will prob go with Foster due to continuity however I just don't believe he is one.
Robertson I do not want running an ABs team, the guy is a tool! I have been at a few games in which he is watching his son is playing and he spends the whole game abusing the ref and other team! his personality is not one I think is suited to the ABs job.You know, that's the first negative comment I've read about him.
Agree. I would have thought a parent would have filmed him by now and it would be all over the news/net. Maybe the Crusader mafia have delivered a few horse heads?
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@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@chimoaus without scanning back through the thread, has it been confirmed Brown is staying with JJ in Japan?
Obviously he said he wanted to keep working with JJ, but was this at where ever JJ was or just assuming JJ was throwing his hat in the ring for the AB role?
Hopefully this early announcement frees up Brown to throw in his lot with others.
@antipodean From the way Tony Brown was talking on the Breakdown a couple of weeks ago, he was pretty clear that he and Joseph are a team - where Jamie goes, Tony goes - with the only caveat that if Jamie went to coach Australia, Tony wasn't doing that. I guess that would change if the Japanese didn't want Tony, but I'd bet they do.
I'm sure this process is full of rumours, speculation and even politics - just like any big promotion at work, there will be people who are thought to be the favorites, people you'd expect would apply will decide it's not for them, people who will apply that are seemingly from left field - and like a big re-shuffle - people (perhaps like JJ) who don't want to be left without a chair to sit on.
Personally, I'm guessing Jamie reads the Fern and has been intimidated out of the race!
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@Stargazer
Fair call. Just assuming everything being equal he would pick his own country over another.@mofitzy_ said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Stargazer
Fair call. Just assuming everything being equal he would pick his own country over another.He has dual citizenship and also played for Japan, so he has picked his own country, one of
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@antipodean From the way Tony Brown was talking on the Breakdown a couple of weeks ago, he was pretty clear that he and Joseph are a team - where Jamie goes, Tony goes - with the only caveat that if Jamie went to coach Australia, Tony wasn't doing that. I guess that would change if the Japanese didn't want Tony, but I'd bet they do.
I'm sure this process is full of rumours, speculation and even politics - just like any big promotion at work, there will be people who are thought to be the favorites, people you'd expect would apply will decide it's not for them, people who will apply that are seemingly from left field - and like a big re-shuffle - people (perhaps like JJ) who don't want to be left without a chair to sit on.
Personally, I'm guessing Jamie reads the Fern and has been intimidated out of the race!
@Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Personally, I'm guessing Jamie reads the Fern and has been intimidated out of the race!
If we wind up with Fozzie I'm blaming you and your Fern application. Your Invitational XV will be the death of NZ rugby!
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Instead of all these conspiracy theories perhaps Joseph preferred to take a 100% chance at a four year appointment instead of a 25% or 33% chance at what is likely a two year appointment.
A more concerning factor could be control. Would a new coach have carte blanche like Henry and Hansen did? If so where does that leave Anthony and/or Shand.
We've seen countless times just in Aus/NZ high performance directors set up their little fiefdoms to the detriment of the national team.
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@mofitzy_ said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Stargazer
Fair call. Just assuming everything being equal he would pick his own country over another.He has dual citizenship and also played for Japan, so he has picked his own country, one of
@Machpants said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@mofitzy_ said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Stargazer
Fair call. Just assuming everything being equal he would pick his own country over another.He has dual citizenship and also played for Japan, so he has picked his own country, one of
Does he? I think to get JP citizenship as an adult, you have to give up you other citizenship.
He certainly played rugby for both countries, but that’s different
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@Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Personally, I'm guessing Jamie reads the Fern and has been intimidated out of the race!
If we wind up with Fozzie I'm blaming you and your Fern application. Your Invitational XV will be the death of NZ rugby!
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@Machpants said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@mofitzy_ said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Stargazer
Fair call. Just assuming everything being equal he would pick his own country over another.He has dual citizenship and also played for Japan, so he has picked his own country, one of
Does he? I think to get JP citizenship as an adult, you have to give up you other citizenship.
He certainly played rugby for both countries, but that’s different
@gt12
A quick google doesn't support the idea either.Getting pretty grim on the fern, thought the silver lining to losing was fozzie getting the boot. Regardless of people dismissing conspiracies, defending the coaches who declined etc. we are likely ending up with a head coach that no one wants.
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So disappointed Joseph (and Brown) are not going to be in running. They are both the most innovative and ready to take ABs into next direction but such is life.
Foster and Robertson..........meh, neither fills me with ABs head coach confidence but will prob go with Foster due to continuity however I just don't believe he is one.
Robertson I do not want running an ABs team, the guy is a tool! I have been at a few games in which he is watching his son is playing and he spends the whole game abusing the ref and other team! his personality is not one I think is suited to the ABs job.@98blueandgold said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So disappointed Joseph (and Brown) are not going to be in running. They are both the most innovative and ready to take ABs into next direction but such is life.
Foster and Robertson..........meh, neither fills me with ABs head coach confidence but will prob go with Foster due to continuity however I just don't believe he is one.
Robertson I do not want running an ABs team, the guy is a tool! I have been at a few games in which he is watching his son is playing and he spends the whole game abusing the ref and other team! his personality is not one I think is suited to the ABs job.Is that for real?
It sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder about Robertson, but since you have personal knowledge of him abusing the ref and opposition kids I have to take your word for it.
That is very disappointing but a terrible rumor to start if not true. -
And Robertson being a Bay of Plenty lad come good , some of it is confusing.....
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Been a long time since we didn’t pick the best coach available. I know that’s subjective, but does anyone really think Foster is better than Joseph (especially with Brown)?
If the Cantab mafia get Robertson as well we are back to the days of Mitchell being picked too early.
If they offered JJ the job and he turned it down for a better contract, what can you do? But I doubt that’s what happened. The 26 thing was just window dressing for a decision that’s already been made.
@Kirwan said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I know that’s subjective, but does anyone really think Foster is better than Joseph (especially with Brown)?
It's subjective IMO. There is a pretty compelling argument that while coaching Japan is test experience it has some pretty major differences to coaching 6N/TRC nation and even if it were Joseph's time in Japan was hardly irrepressible. For example I'm not sure why Joseph is a better candidate than a guy like Cotter were he in the mix - purely on record.
I rate Joseph and would take him over Fozzie personally but even Wayne Smith who is seemingly a paragon of virtue was appointed too early. It's easy to see a situation where Joseph were appointed, had to learn many of the same lessons in a difficult two years and in hindsight his CV didn't look as brilliant as it once did.
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@booboo said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@98blueandgold said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So disappointed Joseph (and Brown) are not going to be in running. They are both the most innovative and ready to take ABs into next direction but such is life.
Foster and Robertson..........meh, neither fills me with ABs head coach confidence but will prob go with Foster due to continuity however I just don't believe he is one.
Robertson I do not want running an ABs team, the guy is a tool! I have been at a few games in which he is watching his son is playing and he spends the whole game abusing the ref and other team! his personality is not one I think is suited to the ABs job.You know, that's the first negative comment I've read about him.
Agree. I would have thought a parent would have filmed him by now and it would be all over the news/net. Maybe the Crusader mafia have delivered a few horse heads?
@Crazy-Horse said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@booboo said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@98blueandgold said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So disappointed Joseph (and Brown) are not going to be in running. They are both the most innovative and ready to take ABs into next direction but such is life.
Foster and Robertson..........meh, neither fills me with ABs head coach confidence but will prob go with Foster due to continuity however I just don't believe he is one.
Robertson I do not want running an ABs team, the guy is a tool! I have been at a few games in which he is watching his son is playing and he spends the whole game abusing the ref and other team! his personality is not one I think is suited to the ABs job.You know, that's the first negative comment I've read about him.
Agree. I would have thought a parent would have filmed him by now and it would be all over the news/net. Maybe the Crusader mafia have delivered a few horse heads?
I find that accusation hard to believe as every person you speak to only say good things about Robertson, the amount of charity work he does in the wider community is also highly praised.
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@Crazy-Horse said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@booboo said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@98blueandgold said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So disappointed Joseph (and Brown) are not going to be in running. They are both the most innovative and ready to take ABs into next direction but such is life.
Foster and Robertson..........meh, neither fills me with ABs head coach confidence but will prob go with Foster due to continuity however I just don't believe he is one.
Robertson I do not want running an ABs team, the guy is a tool! I have been at a few games in which he is watching his son is playing and he spends the whole game abusing the ref and other team! his personality is not one I think is suited to the ABs job.You know, that's the first negative comment I've read about him.
Agree. I would have thought a parent would have filmed him by now and it would be all over the news/net. Maybe the Crusader mafia have delivered a few horse heads?
I find that accusation hard to believe as every person you speak to only say good things about Robertson, the amount of charity work he does in the wider community is also highly praised.
@Chris said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I find that accusation hard to believe as every person you speak to only say good things about Robertson, the amount of charity work he does in the wider community is also highly praised
is pretty hard to go unnoticed being a dickhead these days, more so when you add in his profile and the fact that parents sideline behaviour at kids sports is a hot topic too.
If a top coach was being a dickhead, it'd be all over social media, the news and he'd have to tearfully apologies to everyone.
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@Chris said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I find that accusation hard to believe as every person you speak to only say good things about Robertson, the amount of charity work he does in the wider community is also highly praised
is pretty hard to go unnoticed being a dickhead these days, more so when you add in his profile and the fact that parents sideline behaviour at kids sports is a hot topic too.
If a top coach was being a dickhead, it'd be all over social media, the news and he'd have to tearfully apologies to everyone.
@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Chris said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I find that accusation hard to believe as every person you speak to only say good things about Robertson, the amount of charity work he does in the wider community is also highly praised
is pretty hard to go unnoticed being a dickhead these days, more so when you add in his profile and the fact that parents sideline behaviour at kids sports is a hot topic too.
If a top coach was being a dickhead, it'd be all over social media, the news and he'd have to tearfully apologies to everyone.
yeah you would think so any bad behaviour is as you say all over social media pretty quickly.
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Robertson has two black marks in my books - he's both from BoP and a Cantab but I still want him to be AB coach if Foster is the other option (of course Rennie is my number 1 choice but appears I might be booing him with regularity for the coming years).
I think Robertson is a good coach despite the franchise leg up in NZ rugby circles.
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@98blueandgold said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So disappointed Joseph (and Brown) are not going to be in running. They are both the most innovative and ready to take ABs into next direction but such is life.
Foster and Robertson..........meh, neither fills me with ABs head coach confidence but will prob go with Foster due to continuity however I just don't believe he is one.
Robertson I do not want running an ABs team, the guy is a tool! I have been at a few games in which he is watching his son is playing and he spends the whole game abusing the ref and other team! his personality is not one I think is suited to the ABs job.Is that for real?
It sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder about Robertson, but since you have personal knowledge of him abusing the ref and opposition kids I have to take your word for it.
That is very disappointing but a terrible rumor to start if not true. -
There is an awful lot of petty provincial bias coming through on these boards.
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
There is an awful lot of petty provincial bias coming through on these boards.
Yup it's fantastic
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@Darren 100% I was super surprised myself and the fact it happened more that once. I don’t at all have a chip on my shoulder with him. My concern is that the character of a man you want running the ABs?
@98blueandgold said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Darren 100% I was super surprised myself and the fact it happened more that once. I don’t at all have a chip on my shoulder with him. My concern is that the character of a man you want running the ABs?
Interesting. I just don't know though.
i just hope Robertson doesn't get the top spot. For the good of NZ and super rugby the AB coach must select fairly from throughout the country. So players know they can get a fair go anywhere rather than having to move to the Crusaders to improve their chances. It will destroy super rugby as any good player now that doesn't make the ABs don't stick around for too long. and any team winning yr after yr gets so boring
I doubt if Robertson has the maturity (Hansen didn't at the end. Any 50/50 or even 60/40 went the Crusaders way) to not pick from his team. Hes not a Henry or Smith.. Not even close.
