Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****

canefan

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MN5" data-cid="548270" data-time="1450484690">I genuinely agree with some of the flaws that the Schnitz brings up but again. It's fucken Star Wars, rules that apply to other franchises don't actually apply here.</blockquote>I enjoyed it immensely. Made me feel like 5 again seeing a new hope. Acting was good, it looked great, the falcon was awesome! When does SW8 come out?

Rancid Schnitzel

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I genuinely agree with some of the flaws that the Schnitz brings up but again. It's fucken Star Wars, rules that apply to other franchises don't actually apply here.</blockquote>
 
[spoiler] Like I said, acting, effects, sets were top notch. But there were Imho too many negatives. Kylo Renn was a bloody emo. He's supposed to be the next Darth Vader but had his arse handed to him by a storm trooper and a desert scavenger chick half his size (which is nothing because Darth Emo is built like a stick insect). My son had the figure before the film and now he wants to saw it in half. He thought he had Darth Vader on roids but now calls him "A weird looking boy just out of puberty who killed his dad, Han Solo." 
Killing off Han was just lazy. Trying to copy GoT for shock value perhaps? And who the furk is this Snork dude and wtf was that dwarf creature who had Luke's lightsaber? And were Corescant and the Senate destroyed? It wasn't entirely clear about that, but that's pretty farking weak if true. 
Really liked the Poe character (even if the name sux) and some scenes were the best ever seen in a Star Wars film. But for the reasons above and the lazy plot, I was really quite disappointed. Hopefully number 2 isn't a ripoff of Empire with Luke playing the part of Yoda. 
Oh yeah, and one last thing. Has Lea not developed any force powers in the past 32 years? That's a bit crap and lazy. Little Ray beat up a Sith by just thinking about the force. 
Fook that was so uber-nerd I should beat myself up [/spoiler]

Virgil

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[spoiler] Like I said, acting, effects, sets were top notch. But there were Imho too many negatives. Kylo Renn was a bloody emo. He's supposed to be the next Darth Vader but had his arse handed to him by a storm trooper and a desert scavenger chick half his size (which is nothing because Darth Emo is built like a stick insect). My son had the figure before the film and now he wants to saw it in half. He thought he had Darth Vader on roids but now calls him "A weird looking boy just out of puberty who killed his dad, Han Solo." 
Killing off Han was just lazy. Trying to copy GoT for shock value perhaps? And who the furk is this Snork dude and wtf was that dwarf creature who had Luke's lightsaber? And were Corescant and the Senate destroyed? It wasn't entirely clear about that, but that's pretty farking weak if true. 
Really liked the Poe character (even if the name sux) and some scenes were the best ever seen in a Star Wars film. But for the reasons above and the lazy plot, I was really quite disappointed. Hopefully number 2 isn't a ripoff of Empire with Luke playing the part of Yoda. 
Oh yeah, and one last thing. Has Lea not developed any force powers in the past 32 years? That's a bit crap and lazy. Little Ray beat up a Sith by just thinking about the force. 
Fook that was so uber-nerd I should beat myself up [/spoiler]
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Who said Ren is the next Vader? Why do we assume the evil villain has to be cold and all set. Why cant he be living a conflicting life caught between the Dark side and good side? ( At least hes not Ani who just whined and whined in the prequels)
 
Why was killing off Han lazy? Ford has been dying to be killed since Empire Strikes Back!
Also its the first movie in a new trilogy, i think its supposed to leave a whole lot of unanswered questions, otherwise why bother watching Eps 8 & 9. (something i assume you wont be bothering to do)

Rancid Schnitzel

Spoilers you retard!!!!!!

Virgil

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Spoilers you retard!!!!!!
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Meh, if you havent seen it you shouldnt be on this thread anyway.

Rancid Schnitzel

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Who said Ren is the next Vader? Why do we assume the evil villain has to be cold and all set. Why cant he be living a conflicting life caught between the Dark side and good side? ( At least hes not Ani who just whined and whined in the prequels) 
Why was killing off Han lazy? Ford has been dying to be killed since Empire Strikes Back! 
Also its the first movie in a new trilogy, i think its supposed to leave a whole lot of unanswered questions, otherwise why bother watching Eps 8 & 9. (something i assume you wont be bothering to do)</blockquote>
He's a SW villain and a Sith. He follows in the footsteps of Vader, Sidious, Tyrannous and Maul. He's the son of HS and PL and Vader's grandson. Yet he looks like Marilyn Manson and got his arse kicked by Keira Knightly's little sister. Basically he's shit. What kid would want that figure? It's the equivalent of Lea beating up on Darth Vader in E4. Yeah that would have been awesome. 
Killing off a major character like that is just lazy. It's what every show, movie, book does when they run out of ideas. It was a crap scene as well. As soon as Darth Emo just happened to wander onto that railess bridge you knew Han was a dead man. And who gives a shit if Ford wanted him to die. If that was his condition for doing the film then leave him out. It's not like his inclusion would make any difference at the box office. 
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taniwharugby

I liked it, TR Jnr said 'that was cool as' 
 
Fark, what movies dont have plot holes?

Kirwan

Rancid, Ren hasn't finished his training and was injured twice before his fight with Rey. 
The scene on the bridge was his big test to turn to the dark side. I expect we won't see both Rey and Ren at the peak of their powers until Episode 9. 
You are assuming he's a Sith as well, there are only two of those but we clearly see several knights of Ren. 
I think it all fits with the try hard nature of the First Order. They are desperate to be the Empire, but not quite. Same with Ren, desperate to be like Vader but not quite. 
And recycling the plot is very Star Wars, same criticisms were levelled at Return of the Jedi. 
This film had a lot of work to do, its main job was to make you forget about the shitty prequels and introduce the new characters. 
Succeeded widely at that. 
That final scene was wonderful, and certainly not a repeat of anything I've seen in Star Wars. 
The Starkiller base was a mcguffin, the whole movie was about finding Luke.

Kirwan

And good call whoever renamed the thread, no need for spoiler tags.

mariner4life

Saw it. Loved it. Clapped at the end. Nearly cried twice. Will go again Tuesday.

Crucial

I really enjoyed it, and not because it ticked off the geeky over analysed side of the Star wars universe but because it didn't. It was a re-boot, pure and obvious.
 
In order to breathe new life into the thing Lucas almost killed they have gone back to the start and recaptured the magic that was the original. Clear goodies and baddies, someone to cheer for, some humour, some tragedy, some cool action.
 
The only bit I thought wasn't necessary was the creatures on the freighter. Seemed to be a set piece for the sake of it. I would have rather seen Han just shoot the bad guys and make a run for it.
 
Thought the Falcon was awesome and the X-Wing scenes very cool.
 
I also got the impression that after putting aside the old extended universe and novels for a new canon they have taken nods to the good parts of those stories. In the novels it was Chewie the was killed off, causing Han to flip out and break up from Leia for a while. One of their kids (the boy) then goes darkside.

Rancid Schnitzel

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Rancid, Ren hasn't finished his training and was injured twice before his fight with Rey. 
The scene on the bridge was his big test to turn to the dark side. I expect we won't see both Rey and Ren at the peak of their powers until Episode 9. 
You are assuming he's a Sith as well, there are only two of those but we clearly see several knights of Ren. 
I think it all fits with the try hard nature of the First Order. They are desperate to be the Empire, but not quite. Same with Ren, desperate to be like Vader but not quite. 
And recycling the plot is very Star Wars, same criticisms were levelled at Return of the Jedi. 
This film had a lot of work to do, its main job was to make you forget about the shitty prequels and introduce the new characters. 
Succeeded widely at that. 
That final scene was wonderful, and certainly not a repeat of anything I've seen in Star Wars. 
The Starkiller base was a mcguffin, the whole movie was about finding Luke.</blockquote>
 
Yes, but his second injury was inflicted by an ex stormtrooper who had recently been handed his arse by a former comrade brandishing a large curling iron. He may not be a Sith but he was trained by Luke and has gone over to the dark side. He should have been able to defeat Rey blind and with half his limbs cut off. He's just farking crap. 
Let's face it, the film was more a reboot than a continuation of the series. Massive potential there, but IMHO could and should have been much better.

Kirwan

Yes, the first injury was caused by a weapon they spent most of the movie showing how powerful it was. 
I really liked that the villain was overly arrogant about his abilities and then got his arse handed to him. Sets up a pretty cool dynamic for the rematch. 
And Ren did beat Finn fairly easily in the end, even being injured. 
If look hard at any movie you will find quibbles. I've seen it twice and wasn't bored at any stage, best aspect was they nailed the humour. Was surprised how funny it was.

MN5

Wow, how shit was captain Phasma? Even Boba Fett went out with more dignity and fight than she did. I was expecting some sort of awesome shoot out at the very least. 
as Virg said Ren lost all sense of menace the moment he took off the mask. His Emo tantrum of slicing the place up with his lightsabre was particularly bitch like. 
I also didn't like the scene of the two rival gangs, one of them sounding suspiciously glasgwegian, going after Han. The guy is a hero of the rebellion for fuck sake. 
The plot was such a rip off of ANH that is was ridiculous but the movie as a whole was still absolutely sensational. Some cool dog fights, cool lightsabre battles, great lines from Han, a couple of fresh new characters.....like others I have a feeling the new flick will be twice as good at least.....

Virgil

Biggest difference between this one and the prequels (apart from Jar Jar, midi clorins etc). It didnt feel 'fake'
Eps 1 - 3 had an over riding sense of been too digital, like the entire film was made in front of a green screen (probably bloody was!)
 
This one they returned to the roots, real locations, make up for as many of the creatures as they could. Reading behind the scenes they purposely tried to achieve making this one with as little CGI as they could.

MN5

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Virgil" data-cid="548368" data-time="1450574283">Biggest difference between this one and the prequels (apart from Jar Jar, midi clorins etc). It didnt feel 'fake' 
Eps 1 - 3 had an over riding sense of been too digital, like the entire film was made in front of a green screen (probably bloody was!) 
 
This one they returned to the roots, real locations, make up for as many of the creatures as they could. Reading behind the scenes they purposely tried to achieve making this one with as little CGI as they could.</blockquote>
 
I've always said the prequels had better bad guys overall, I mean the original trilogy had the Emp, DV, Jabba and a bunch of stiffs in military uniforms with British accents. Episode 7s villains weren't great overall in my opinion but there is a lot of promise for the next couple. Agree re the locations, when Han and Chewie were shooting the Stormtroopers on the planet with the bar it felt very 'real' much like the Endor battle all those years earlier.

booboo

Re Han's death (haven't seen movie ... not fussed by spoilers ... ) given both Yoda and Anakin/Lord Baron von Vader Ham both appeared after their death any chance Han will make a reappearance? (Ok so the force was not so strong in that one ... but ... ????)

Virgil

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Re Han's death (haven't seen movie ... not fussed by spoilers ... ) given both Yoda and Anakin/Lord Baron von Vader Ham both appeared after their death any chance Han will make a reappearance? (Ok so the force was not so strong in that one ... but ... ????)
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Might be worth his while to 'come back'...
 
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Hollywood veteran Harrison Ford will rake in more than Â£23 million ($50 million) for his role in the new Star Wars blockbuster, the Mail on Sunday reports.
Insiders say Disney producers were so determined to get the 73-year-old to reprise his role as Han Solo for The Force Awakens that they agreed to a Â£16.7million ($37 million) fee.
Ford will also get a 0.5 per cent share of the film's gross earnings, which are expected to break records by hitting at least Â£1.3 billion ($2.8 billion). It means the actor's share could be worth Â£6.5 million ($14 million</blockquote>

taniwharugby

maybe thats where Leia will realise her use of the force, some late night visits from Han?

Kirwan

Phasma apparently has a bigger role in the next one. I suspect most of her role got left on the cutting room floor for time.

The Silver Fern

Star Wars VII contains spoilers