Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****
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<p>I watched a 'comedy' a year or 2 back, where these guys were talking about knocking one off, and one of them was hassling his mate for knocking one off to Carrie Fisher, he replied saying everyone had done it over her at some point, to which his mate replied, yes, in her heyday, not as she is now! </p>
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I think she might be Finns Mum, Lando ( who was very erudite and charming ) dusted her up when Han was in carbonate then fucked off to another galaxy when he found out Leia was expecting. Han and Leia are clearly separated and I'm sure a kid who has joined the dark side isn't the only reason.
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<p>I gave my reasons above. In any case, this guy was a hero who saved Luke's life twice and who played a vital role in destroying the Empire. The start of E6 was all about him being rescued. It would have been ok if he went out in a blaze of glory or sacrificed himself for the many. But no, he was killed by his bloody Marilynmanson. He didn't even get a proper burial, his body just fell into a void. That was shit.</p>
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<p>Just like great sports stars, you don't get to choose how you go out; sometimes it's with a bang, other times with a whimper</p> -
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<p>I think she might be Finns Mum, Lando ( who was very erudite and charming ) dusted her up when Han was in carbonate then fucked off to another galaxy when he found out Leia was expecting. <strong>Han and Leia are clearly separated and I'm sure a kid who has joined the dark side isn't the only reason</strong>.</p>
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<p>He asks her "it wasn't all bad?" They always drove each other nuts and my take from the film was that is what did it in the end, along with the trauma of their son going rogue</p> -
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<p>I gave my reasons above. In any case, this guy was a hero who saved Luke's life twice and who played a vital role in destroying the Empire. The start of E6 was all about him being rescued. It would have been ok if he went out in a blaze of glory or sacrificed himself for the many. But no, he was killed by his bloody Marilynmanson. He didn't even get a proper burial, his body just fell into a void. That was shit.</p>
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<p>I don't understand the criticism. This is an inter-galactic civil war with evil people in it. Evil people generally don't want to let the good heroes go out in a blaze of glory. Mind you they wouldn't have destroyed Starkiller Base without Han.</p>
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<p>You are meant to be angry at Kylo Ren not at JJ Abrams if you don't like Han dying.</p> -
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<p> </p>Star Wars actor kept character identity a secret for three years<div><span>12:00 PM Saturday Dec 19, 2015</span></div>
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<img height="310" src="http://media.nzherald.co.nz/webcontent/image/jpg/201551/SCCZEN_17122015spl_Adam_Driver_620x311.jpg" width="620" alt="SCCZEN_17122015spl_Adam_Driver_620x311.j">Adam Driver. Photo / Getty Images</div>
<p>Adam Driver kept the identity of his <i>Star Wars</i> character from his wife for three years.</p>
<p>The <i>Girls</i> actor plays villain Kylo Ren in <i>Star Wars: The Force Awakens</i> and admitted he was happy to keep the secret from his wife Joanne Tucker because the surprise was worth it.</p>
<p>Speaking to The Hollywood Reporter, he said: "It was great. I kept it from my wife for three years, just because the payoff of her seeing it with everybody was so worth it."</p>
<p>Meanwhile, Adam loved playing Kylo Ren because he is "unpolished and reckless".</p>
<p>He explained to the <i>Daily Telegraph</i> newspaper: "I feel there's a recklessness about him that's maybe not normally associated with the 'Dark Side'.</p>
<p>"You normally think of order, and structure, and full commitment and no hesitation...he's just a little bit more unpolished.</p>
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<p>It's in his costume, in his lightsaber - how you kind of get the sense that it could just not work at any moment; that it could just blow up. That's kind of like a big metaphor for him."</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="canefan" data-cid="548885" data-time="1450768226"><p>He asks her "it wasn't all bad?" They always drove each other nuts and my take from the film was that is what did it in the end, along with the trauma of their son going rogue</p></blockquote>
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<p>My only quibble with the whole thing was, where the fuck did they find Anakin/Luke's blue lightsaber?</p>
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<p>They basically said in the movie that they would explain this later. 2 more movies still to come. R2D2 suddenly spluttering into life at the end was more problematic from a plot perspective. Presumably he started up because Rey had come to the station who is probably related to Luke somehow.</p> -
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<p>They basically said in the movie that they would explain this later. 2 more movies still to come. <strong>R2D2 suddenly spluttering into life at the end was more problematic from a plot perspective. Presumably he started up because Rey had come to the station who is probably related to Luke somehow.</strong></p>
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<p>Nah, now Luke is back he's gonna need a droid to co-pilot his X wing fighter ;)</p> -
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I don't understand the criticism. This is an inter-galactic civil war with evil people in it. Evil people generally don't want to let the good heroes go out in a blaze of glory. Mind you they wouldn't have destroyed Starkiller Base without Han.<br><br>
You are meant to be angry at Kylo Ren not at JJ Abrams if you don't like Han dying.</p></blockquote>
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Who wrote and directed the film, JJ Abrams or Kylo Ren? <br><br>
I'm sitting at my desk now and facing me are a few old SW figures that my kids found at my parents' place and gave to me. One of them is the first SW figure I ever owned, Han Solo in snow gear. I guess that's why I'm not only pissed off that he was killed, but that the manner of his death was so pathetically lame. Killed by his jug-eared son. Sorry if that offends anyone. -
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<p>Who wrote and directed the film, JJ Abrams or Kylo Ren?<br><br>
I'm sitting at my desk now and facing me are a few old SW figures that my kids found at my parents' place and gave to me. One of them is the first SW figure I ever owned, Han Solo in snow gear. I guess that's why I'm not only pissed off that he was killed, but that the manner of his death was so pathetically lame. Killed by his jug-eared son. <strong>Sorry if that offends anyone.</strong></p>
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<p>If I was Han Solo I'd be offended at being killed by my jug-eared son, especially cos everyone bar Han could see it coming...dont go on the bridge Han, Han! HAN ARE YOU LISTENING???</p> -
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<p>could go in a couple of threads really</p>
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<p>When i watched it the second time i was able to enjoy it in a different way. There are some stunning shots in it. </p>
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<p>When i watched it the second time i was able to enjoy it in a different way. There are some stunning shots in it. </p>
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Yep, totally agree that it looks sensational. The prequels seemed too bright and computer-like. This looked much more "real".
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<p>Yep, totally agree that it looks sensational. The prequels seemed too bright and computer-like. This looked much more "real".</p>
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<p>Real is the word. Not just the planet locations, the battles too. It was one of the things I disliked about Lucas' interventions in the first trilogy too. I have a directors cut type DVD box set and all of the extra bits he inserted, mostly into a new hope, were shithouse and added little or nothing to the films</p>
