Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..
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@Crucial said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@Nepia said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@canefan said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@Nepia that's that tender but tasteless grain fed aussie beef vs kiwi grassfed stuff
I've heard the claim over here that Aussie beef is actually grass fed, I've always been too lazy to look it up though.
Mostly grain-fed toward the end of their lives after being raised on pasture. This is basically to finish them off at the right time to keep a constant supply going rather than rely on seasonal growth.
The good 'pasture' stuff is often from the Cooper Creek drainage basin (SW QLD) after the rains have been as the spinifex grass pops up and goes to seed quickly providing really rich oils and the cattle put on crazy size.
In terms of fat content and slow BBQ, US pitmasters love grain fed beef because the marbling scores are higher. There are premium providers in NZ who are finishing their animals off with grain before slaughter, like Wakanui and Ocean
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@canefan I personally find grain fed or finished steak rather bland. There are high-end NZ exporters doing all grain fed Wagyu/Angus cross beef. Grass fed flavour with Grain fed marbling levels. I'll have to try it soon.
Firstlight Beef is one of them:
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Surely that's only 2 degrees of separation to get to meat, all been covered off too.
Veganism- vegetarian - omnivore- carnivore
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@MajorRage I submit another piece of evidence against going Vegan
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I've been vegetarian since I was 14, mostly because I don't like meat. Seems pretty clear that enforced vegetarianism isn't required because there is some land that is no use for crops, but is fine for grass and sheep e.g. hills. At the same time, it's also clear that there is land that would be better for crops than animals, and that by and large more veges and less meat would be better than the status quo. Whether that is best met by everyone eating less meat, or more people becoming vegetarian and reducing total societal meat intake that way, is hard to say, although the latter is probably easier to sell because it's voluntary.
Not a big fan of fake meat generally (I prefer just using cheese or eggs), but my wife sometimes uses it so she can make a vegetarian version of a meat-based meal e.g. lasagna. I find it pretty meh since it has been 25 years since I dropped meat from my diet, but it serves its purpose. At some point, it will be significantly cheaper than meat, and meat will very quickly stop being produced in current quantities. That's probably 5-10 years away, but it's coming.
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@Godder said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
I've been vegetarian since I was 14, mostly because I don't like meat. Seems pretty clear that enforced vegetarianism isn't required because there is some land that is no use for crops, but is fine for grass and sheep e.g. hills. At the same time, it's also clear that there is land that would be better for crops than animals, and that by and large more veges and less meat would be better than the status quo. Whether that is best met by everyone eating less meat, or more people becoming vegetarian and reducing total societal meat intake that way, is hard to say, although the latter is probably easier to sell because it's voluntary.
Not a big fan of fake meat generally (I prefer just using cheese or eggs), but my wife sometimes uses it so she can make a vegetarian version of a meat-based meal e.g. lasagna. I find it pretty meh since it has been 25 years since I dropped meat from my diet, but it serves its purpose. At some point, it will be significantly cheaper than meat, and meat will very quickly stop being produced in current quantities. That's probably 5-10 years away, but it's coming.
That leaves us with a lot of cows and sheep to get rid of.
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@Godder said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
but my wife sometimes uses it so she can make a vegetarian version of a meat-based meal e.g. lasagna.
Why would you do that when you can make awesome vegetarian lasagnas with kumara, spinach, pumpkin etc?
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@Nepia said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@Godder said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
but my wife sometimes uses it so she can make a vegetarian version of a meat-based meal e.g. lasagna.
Why would you do that when you can make awesome vegetarian lasagnas with kumara, spinach, pumpkin etc?
My wife still likes meat, so that's her compromise. I'm too busy being thankful that I don't have to cook to complain about it.
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@Catogrande said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@Godder said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
I've been vegetarian since I was 14, mostly because I don't like meat. Seems pretty clear that enforced vegetarianism isn't required because there is some land that is no use for crops, but is fine for grass and sheep e.g. hills. At the same time, it's also clear that there is land that would be better for crops than animals, and that by and large more veges and less meat would be better than the status quo. Whether that is best met by everyone eating less meat, or more people becoming vegetarian and reducing total societal meat intake that way, is hard to say, although the latter is probably easier to sell because it's voluntary.
Not a big fan of fake meat generally (I prefer just using cheese or eggs), but my wife sometimes uses it so she can make a vegetarian version of a meat-based meal e.g. lasagna. I find it pretty meh since it has been 25 years since I dropped meat from my diet, but it serves its purpose. At some point, it will be significantly cheaper than meat, and meat will very quickly stop being produced in current quantities. That's probably 5-10 years away, but it's coming.
That leaves us with a lot of cows and sheep to get rid of.
Gourmets and exports for the "export-quality" stuff, petfood for the rest. The early hit to the market will probably be the cheapest stuff as being awful anyway e.g chicken nuggets, cheap mince and sausages.
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@Godder that was a long article that I must confess I didn't finish.
But doesn't it simply boil down to this? Nobody hates a vegan who doesn't try try to espouse his lifestyle onto anyone else.
Keep your shit to yourself, and we can all get along.
Isn't it that simple?
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@voodoo ideally it would be, but some people can't handle nonconformity and get angry at it for no obvious reason. As a young vegetarian (I was 14 when I switched), I was never militant about it or even interested in suggesting others try it, but was surprised at the amount of hostility toward the mention of the word. It seems that vegan has replaced vegetarian in that respect, but the hostility toward it is no more justified in most instances than it was 25 years ago.
That's really the point of the article - proselytising veganism is rare as a percentage of vegans, but vegans are despised anyway, even though most don't try to push it on anyone.
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