50 Years of Star Trek - RIP
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Thought the second episode was a lot better. Still a bit slow (they should be in space by now), and the editing is pretty shit (cutting back and forth between short scenes of different groups of characters kills momentum). The antagonists' motivations could turn out to be pretty lame.
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@Tim said in 50 Years of Star Trek - RIP:
Thought the second episode was a lot better. Still a bit slow (they should be in space by now), and the editing is pretty shit (cutting back and forth between short scenes of different groups of characters kills momentum). The antagonists' motivations could turn out to be pretty lame.
Was a lot of talking instead of doing, and it’s getting a bit silly making every other main character bar one a woman.
I think their structure would work better for a binge watch than weekly episodes. Be like a long movie then and you can forgive exposition episodes.
I ruined it last night by watching the directors cut of The Motion Picture. I always like the original, even though they didn’t have time to edit it properly. I really enjoyed the tidied up version too.
Really stark how different Star Trek has become. Far less intelligent, or thoughtful.
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I liked the first 20min of the second episode. But it's not Star Trek. Does it need to be more graphically violent? Does Star Trek need the f word? Is there an interspecies sex scene on the horizon???
This feels fan-made. I guess that's what it is. It's a "what if" scenario. No one asked for it and instead of ending up on Youtube. Which would have been poorly shot but possibly more entertaining ode to Picard. But we've got this kind of grizzled, possibly terminally ill, big-budget shadow of a character and universe that seems more for a generation that doesn't probably give a shit about the differences between a Romulan and a Vulcan.
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@raznomore said in 50 Years of Star Trek - RIP:
I liked the first 20min of the second episode. But it's not Star Trek. Does it need to be more graphically violent? Does Star Trek need the f word? Is there an interspecies sex scene on the horizon???
This feels fan-made. I guess that's what it is. It's a "what if" scenario. No one asked for it and instead of ending up on Youtube. Which would have been poorly shot but possibly more entertaining ode to Picard. But we've got this kind of grizzled, possibly terminally ill, big-budget shadow of a character and universe that seems more for a generation that doesn't probably give a shit about the differences between a Romulan and a Vulcan.
You missed the Klingon/Human sex scene in Discovery then I take it. All those scenes mean is I can't watch this with the kids.
If Star Trek is not for kids or the old fans, who the hell is it for?
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@Kirwan No I saw that and that's not what I meant. I meant some weird shit, not humanoid on humanoid like in Discovery. Think Galaxy Quest "ugh...that's not right"
The producers seem to get revival completely wrong these days. They do have issues with trying to appease an aging group of purists, who want things left untouched. But mostly I think they focus on 2 things, incorrectly.
First off they think because the vast majority of Star Trek followers are adults and let's face it, middle-aged adults. That there is a need to add-in things like f-bombs and gratuitous violence. It's like they think because series like GOT exist that they need to on up the ante to be relevant.
The second is that they think the next generation of Trekkies don't know what they want. That they can make something brand new and not really spiritually connected to the original and TNG so long as there is the odd familiar face or a younger version of a character(ala Spoke in Discovery) it's keeping it real.
Unless the tone and pacing drastically change in Picard all we are going to end up with is an inglorious end to a beloved character .
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@raznomore Like The Orville doctor boning the blob character?
Pretty much agree. The consensus seems to be that the writers don't understand Star Trek at all, certainly what made it popular. They read that it covered politics so think that they can make crude analogies to the dumpster fire that is US Politics.
The crucial part they forget is that the underlying foundation of Star Trek was a hopeful, optimistic future where we had moved past the pettiness of 20th Century politics. And the conflict was with aliens to make their political points. The crew basically got along and worked as a team.
Modern Star Trek is basically the inverse of that melded with vacuous Star Wars like action. The Aliens are pretty much the good guys (refugees in Picard) and the Federation is a corupt, milteralistic, war monging shit show.
And in Discovery people don't follow orders or work as a team to understand and solve problems together.
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@Kirwan said in 50 Years of Star Trek - RIP:
Modern Star Trek is basically the inverse of that melded with vacuous Star Wars like action.
I quite like Discovery (less focus on Micahel though would be better) and love the original series but I guess I'm not a really a deep enough fan for this to be an issue for me.
But I think I understand where you're coming from by how I feel about Mission Impossible. I want an old school Mission Impossible, where the team gets a mission and they accomplish it. Yet every movie they're doing their own stuff against corrupt government officials etc.
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He really does an unhealthy depth of knowledge of Star Trek.
They are basically right, four episodes in and he’s still putting the team together. It just needs to get moving with the main story.
And I completely agree with the view about Earth having poverty and classism, etc. That was the main point of Star Trek, they had diversity, true merit based diversity, in the 60s. It literally didn’t matter about age, sex or race. Equal opportunity for all.
That said, I love that acting and special effects are this good by a matter of course (compare the acting to the 90s show). They need better writers and a show runner that understands the vision.
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“Rag” moves at a good clip, staying focused entirely on the stories of Picard and his crew and their visit to Freecloud; no distracting, pointless side-trips to check in on Soji and the V.C. Andrews Assassins.
Shame about the crappy Whedon female character though.
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@Tim said in 50 Years of Star Trek - RIP:
“Rag” moves at a good clip, staying focused entirely on the stories of Picard and his crew and their visit to Freecloud; no distracting, pointless side-trips to check in on Soji and the V.C. Andrews Assassins.
Shame about the crappy Whedon female character though.
The blonde scientist? Yeah, annoying.
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