Possible All Blacks 2020
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Some thoughts from last night
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Mo'unga is irreplaceable. He goes down long term the Crusaders are poked. Havili was ok last week, but he isn't a championship winning 10, and we can all see Cameron is not up to it yet.
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Goodhue is doing well at 12. Still undecided if he has the long range kicking instincts to really nail the position. Might come in time. Big year for him. I think we find out if he is the real deal or not this year after a disappointing season from him last year.
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First time I saw why some people from Canterbury have been banging on about Grace. Looks a natural lineout option and there were a couple of thumping ruck clean outs that made me take notice. I was a bit meh about him during the NPC, but the boy did good last night.
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this is not a vintage Crusader forward pack, but the team is still looking well coached.
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don't see Bridge as a long term AB. He cannot beat a man.
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Havali is showing he may be NZ's best fullback (although I would still have Barrett there for the ABs). The perfect bench option?
[edit - split from the Crusaders v Blues match thread]
@Crazy-Horse said in Blues v Crusaders:
Some thoughts from last night
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Mo'unga is irreplaceable. He goes down long term the Crusaders are poked. Havili was ok last week, but he isn't a championship winning 10, and we can all see Cameron is not up to it yet.
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Goodhue is doing well at 12. Still undecided if he has the long range kicking instincts to really nail the position. Might come in time. Big year for him. I think we find out if he is the real deal or not this year after a disappointing season from him last year.
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First time I saw why some people from Canterbury have been banging on about Grace. Looks a natural lineout option and there were a couple of thumping ruck clean outs that made me take notice. I was a bit meh about him during the NPC, but the boy did good last night.
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this is not a vintage Crusader forward pack, but the team is still looking well coached.
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don't see Bridge as a long term AB. He cannot beat a man.
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Havali is showing he may be NZ's best fullback (although I would still have Barrett there for the ABs). The perfect bench option?
McKenzie will be the ABs fullback, with Havili or J. Barrett on the bench, for their versatility.
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[edit - split from the Crusaders v Blues match thread]
@Crazy-Horse said in Blues v Crusaders:
Some thoughts from last night
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Mo'unga is irreplaceable. He goes down long term the Crusaders are poked. Havili was ok last week, but he isn't a championship winning 10, and we can all see Cameron is not up to it yet.
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Goodhue is doing well at 12. Still undecided if he has the long range kicking instincts to really nail the position. Might come in time. Big year for him. I think we find out if he is the real deal or not this year after a disappointing season from him last year.
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First time I saw why some people from Canterbury have been banging on about Grace. Looks a natural lineout option and there were a couple of thumping ruck clean outs that made me take notice. I was a bit meh about him during the NPC, but the boy did good last night.
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this is not a vintage Crusader forward pack, but the team is still looking well coached.
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don't see Bridge as a long term AB. He cannot beat a man.
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Havali is showing he may be NZ's best fullback (although I would still have Barrett there for the ABs). The perfect bench option?
McKenzie will be the ABs fullback, with Havili or J. Barrett on the bench, for their versatility.
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@Stargazer said in Blues v Crusaders:
@cgrant McKenzie at fullback is not a given. BB might get that 15 jersey, and McKenzie 22.
Shit, I agree. There seems a lot of of love on the Fern for Dmac post RWC, but I personally have never been a fan. Obvs he is good, but he's still too helter skelter for me. I dont mind him.on the bench, as there are certain open games he can be really effective in. But equally I think there are lots of tighter games that he adds little value but plenty of danger to.
[Braces self for intense rebuttal from the Fern]
@voodoo I dunno I'm with you. Love to watch him and he can be dynamite. But FOster in his interviews (correctly) pointing out ABs have often been physically dominated, says to me tall lock like Fullbacks not smallhalfback like fullbacks. Then again SA have used their small backs to good effect.
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J Barrett is still shit. For every good thing he does, there is still something that looks park rugby to accompany it.
B Barrett at 15, DMac in 23 is still most likely
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Im a massive Dmac fan in as far as I love watching him, entertainment plus , breath of fresh air , individualism , all of that
But not sure if i want him starting in the ABS
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@Stargazer said in Blues v Crusaders:
@cgrant McKenzie at fullback is not a given. BB might get that 15 jersey, and McKenzie 22.
Shit, I agree. There seems a lot of of love on the Fern for Dmac post RWC, but I personally have never been a fan. Obvs he is good, but he's still too helter skelter for me. I dont mind him.on the bench, as there are certain open games he can be really effective in. But equally I think there are lots of tighter games that he adds little value but plenty of danger to.
[Braces self for intense rebuttal from the Fern]
@voodoo said in Blues v Crusaders:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Crusaders:
@cgrant McKenzie at fullback is not a given. BB might get that 15 jersey, and McKenzie 22.
Shit, I agree. There seems a lot of of love on the Fern for Dmac post RWC, but I personally have never been a fan. Obvs he is good, but he's still too helter skelter for me. I dont mind him.on the bench, as there are certain open games he can be really effective in. But equally I think there are lots of tighter games that he adds little value but plenty of danger to.
[Braces self for intense rebuttal from the Fern]
The last coaching setup wanted him comiing off the bench I believe .. running at tired legs. He's a massive talent, and was just getting his game in order when we borked him. Hope the injury doesn't do a Cullen to him
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@voodoo I dunno I'm with you. Love to watch him and he can be dynamite. But FOster in his interviews (correctly) pointing out ABs have often been physically dominated, says to me tall lock like Fullbacks not smallhalfback like fullbacks. Then again SA have used their small backs to good effect.
@Machpants said in Blues v Crusaders:
@voodoo I dunno I'm with you. Love to watch him and he can be dynamite. But FOster in his interviews (correctly) pointing out ABs have often been physically dominated, says to me tall lock like Fullbacks not smallhalfback like fullbacks. Then again SA have used their small backs to good effect.
Fixing our physicality with a big fullback is akin to picking our spin bowler based on batting ability.
It's ignoring the actual issue.
(Having said that, I'd like to see at least one big powerful winger - Rieko.)
Am a fan of DMac, and can see him and BB interchanging in that role. Wouldn't surprise to see BB at 10 and DMac 15 in some games.
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@voodoo said in Blues v Crusaders:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Crusaders:
@cgrant McKenzie at fullback is not a given. BB might get that 15 jersey, and McKenzie 22.
Shit, I agree. There seems a lot of of love on the Fern for Dmac post RWC, but I personally have never been a fan. Obvs he is good, but he's still too helter skelter for me. I dont mind him.on the bench, as there are certain open games he can be really effective in. But equally I think there are lots of tighter games that he adds little value but plenty of danger to.
[Braces self for intense rebuttal from the Fern]
The last coaching setup wanted him comiing off the bench I believe .. running at tired legs. He's a massive talent, and was just getting his game in order when we borked him. Hope the injury doesn't do a Cullen to him
@nzzp said in Blues v Crusaders:
@voodoo said in Blues v Crusaders:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Crusaders:
@cgrant McKenzie at fullback is not a given. BB might get that 15 jersey, and McKenzie 22.
Shit, I agree. There seems a lot of of love on the Fern for Dmac post RWC, but I personally have never been a fan. Obvs he is good, but he's still too helter skelter for me. I dont mind him.on the bench, as there are certain open games he can be really effective in. But equally I think there are lots of tighter games that he adds little value but plenty of danger to.
[Braces self for intense rebuttal from the Fern]
The last coaching setup wanted him comiing off the bench I believe .. running at tired legs. He's a massive talent, and was just getting his game in order when we borked him. Hope the injury doesn't do a Cullen to him
He does look quite sharp despite the injury.
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J Barrett is still shit. For every good thing he does, there is still something that looks park rugby to accompany it.
B Barrett at 15, DMac in 23 is still most likely
@mariner4life aye? Jordie has been outstanding to start the season.
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Some thoughts from last night
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Mo'unga is irreplaceable. He goes down long term the Crusaders are poked. Havili was ok last week, but he isn't a championship winning 10, and we can all see Cameron is not up to it yet.
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Goodhue is doing well at 12. Still undecided if he has the long range kicking instincts to really nail the position. Might come in time. Big year for him. I think we find out if he is the real deal or not this year after a disappointing season from him last year.
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First time I saw why some people from Canterbury have been banging on about Grace. Looks a natural lineout option and there were a couple of thumping ruck clean outs that made me take notice. I was a bit meh about him during the NPC, but the boy did good last night.
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this is not a vintage Crusader forward pack, but the team is still looking well coached.
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don't see Bridge as a long term AB. He cannot beat a man.
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Havali is showing he may be NZ's best fullback (although I would still have Barrett there for the ABs). The perfect bench option?
@Crazy-Horse said in Blues v Crusaders:
- Mo'unga is irreplaceable. He goes down long term the Crusaders are poked. Havili was ok last week, but he isn't a championship winning 10, and we can all see Cameron is not up to it yet.
The Crusaders have only lost three times during Razor's tenure when Mo'unga has played.
To the Canes and to the B&I Lions in 2017.
And to the Chiefs in the Fiji heat last year.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Blues v Crusaders:
- Mo'unga is irreplaceable. He goes down long term the Crusaders are poked. Havili was ok last week, but he isn't a championship winning 10, and we can all see Cameron is not up to it yet.
The Crusaders have only lost three times during Razor's tenure when Mo'unga has played.
To the Canes and to the B&I Lions in 2017.
And to the Chiefs in the Fiji heat last year.
@Chris-B said in Blues v Crusaders:
@Crazy-Horse said in Blues v Crusaders:
- Mo'unga is irreplaceable. He goes down long term the Crusaders are poked. Havili was ok last week, but he isn't a championship winning 10, and we can all see Cameron is not up to it yet.
The Crusaders have only lost three times during Razor's tenure when Mo'unga has played.
To the Canes and to the B&I Lions in 2017.
And to the Chiefs in the Fiji heat last year.
Ah yes the heat. That the Chiefs didn't play in that evening.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Blues v Crusaders:
- Mo'unga is irreplaceable. He goes down long term the Crusaders are poked. Havili was ok last week, but he isn't a championship winning 10, and we can all see Cameron is not up to it yet.
The Crusaders have only lost three times during Razor's tenure when Mo'unga has played.
To the Canes and to the B&I Lions in 2017.
And to the Chiefs in the Fiji heat last year.
@Chris-B said in Blues v Crusaders:
@Crazy-Horse said in Blues v Crusaders:
- Mo'unga is irreplaceable. He goes down long term the Crusaders are poked. Havili was ok last week, but he isn't a championship winning 10, and we can all see Cameron is not up to it yet.
The Crusaders have only lost three times during Razor's tenure when Mo'unga has played.
To the Canes and to the B&I Lions in 2017.
And to the Chiefs in the Fiji heat last year.
The Crusaders are one thing, the All Blacks another one. RM has yet to show that he is a world class 1st 5/8. He has been playing beyond expectations for the ABs so far.
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J Barrett is still shit. For every good thing he does, there is still something that looks park rugby to accompany it.
B Barrett at 15, DMac in 23 is still most likely
@mariner4life said in Blues v Crusaders:
J Barrett is still shit. For every good thing he does, there is still something that looks park rugby to accompany it.
B Barrett at 15, DMac in 23 is still most likely
I wouldn't start Jordie at 15 for AB's but calling him shit is a bit over the top.
He has been a huge part of the Canes two wins so far. -
@Machpants said in Blues v Crusaders:
@voodoo I dunno I'm with you. Love to watch him and he can be dynamite. But FOster in his interviews (correctly) pointing out ABs have often been physically dominated, says to me tall lock like Fullbacks not smallhalfback like fullbacks. Then again SA have used their small backs to good effect.
Fixing our physicality with a big fullback is akin to picking our spin bowler based on batting ability.
It's ignoring the actual issue.
(Having said that, I'd like to see at least one big powerful winger - Rieko.)
Am a fan of DMac, and can see him and BB interchanging in that role. Wouldn't surprise to see BB at 10 and DMac 15 in some games.
@booboo said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
Am a fan of DMac, and can see him and BB interchanging in that role. Wouldn't surprise to see BB at 10 and DMac 15 in some games.
The coach is Foster. If it's even a slightly close call I think he'll go for a Waikato player
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@booboo said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
Am a fan of DMac, and can see him and BB interchanging in that role. Wouldn't surprise to see BB at 10 and DMac 15 in some games.
The coach is Foster. If it's even a slightly close call I think he'll go for a Waikato player
@Duluth said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@booboo said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
Am a fan of DMac, and can see him and BB interchanging in that role. Wouldn't surprise to see BB at 10 and DMac 15 in some games.
The coach is Foster. If it's even a slightly close call I think he'll go for a Waikato player
quality ... provincial bias coming out clearly
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@Duluth said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@booboo said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
Am a fan of DMac, and can see him and BB interchanging in that role. Wouldn't surprise to see BB at 10 and DMac 15 in some games.
The coach is Foster. If it's even a slightly close call I think he'll go for a Waikato player
quality ... provincial bias coming out clearly
@nzzp said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
quality ... provincial bias coming out clearly
He has history
There's strong arguments for McKenzie and Jacobson being in the starting xv. I just can't see Foster going against those guys in a marginal call
What people want to be the starting fullback/whatever is different than predicting what Foster will select
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FFS anyone that can't by now see J Barrett is a Muppet outside back, clearly can't be watching with the screen on. He needs to move somewhere he can play 12 because he's a fuck up elsewhere.
I'm not a massive DMac fan but I do see his value as an impact bench player. In saying that he's going to have some competition from Havili'i in a similar role. Outside back cover in general will be quite congested.
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FFS anyone that can't by now see J Barrett is a Muppet outside back, clearly can't be watching with the screen on. He needs to move somewhere he can play 12 because he's a fuck up elsewhere.
I'm not a massive DMac fan but I do see his value as an impact bench player. In saying that he's going to have some competition from Havili'i in a similar role. Outside back cover in general will be quite congested.
@shark said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
FFS anyone that can't by now see J Barrett is a Muppet outside back, clearly can't be watching with the screen on. He needs to move somewhere he can play 12 because he's a fuck up elsewhere.
Anyone who can knock over 63 m penalties shuold be somewhere in the squad. Just opens up so much of the field to score points in
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@shark said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
FFS anyone that can't by now see J Barrett is a Muppet outside back, clearly can't be watching with the screen on. He needs to move somewhere he can play 12 because he's a fuck up elsewhere.
Anyone who can knock over 63 m penalties shuold be somewhere in the squad. Just opens up so much of the field to score points in
@nzzp said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@shark said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
FFS anyone that can't by now see J Barrett is a Muppet outside back, clearly can't be watching with the screen on. He needs to move somewhere he can play 12 because he's a fuck up elsewhere.
Anyone who can knock over 63 m penalties shuold be somewhere in the squad. Just opens up so much of the field to score points in
He's been big for the Canes so far. I did not expect us to do anything this season and we're 2 from 3
