Possible All Blacks 2020
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@antipodean said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
I think the way things have transpired, perhaps what the brains trust saw in Akira had some grounding.
Really? You don't think his physical gifts meant it was worth investing in his mental side? I dunno, from the outside seemed a very hands off approach. Honest question - would you rather have peak Luke Whitelock, or peak Akira?
Whitelock L got 8 caps....
@nzzp said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@antipodean said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
I think the way things have transpired, perhaps what the brains trust saw in Akira had some grounding.
Really? You don't think his physical gifts meant it was worth investing in his mental side? I dunno, from the outside seemed a very hands off approach. Honest question - would you rather have peak Luke Whitelock, or peak Akira?
Whitelock L got 8 caps....
I think maybe too much stick and not enough carrot for Akira.
After Auckland won the NPC, I think even Sir Ted said Hansen should show him some love.
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@Stargazer This does not relate to anything I have said in this thread. You are assigning opinions to me and then arguing against them
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@nzzp said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@antipodean said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
I think the way things have transpired, perhaps what the brains trust saw in Akira had some grounding.
Really? You don't think his physical gifts meant it was worth investing in his mental side? I dunno, from the outside seemed a very hands off approach. Honest question - would you rather have peak Luke Whitelock, or peak Akira?
Easily Akira based on physical impact. But plenty of players have been brought into the environment and prospered so it's not like the coaches didn't have form in that area. What they saw in that space required improvement and from when he was slaying it on the field to now has not seen an improvement. Quite the opposite.
And yes he clearly needed a rest last year. But what's the excuse now?
@antipodean said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
And yes he clearly needed a rest last year. But what's the excuse now?
Who's calling for him to make the ABs at the moment? This is all historical (just what the Fern is for) - his form and attitude hasn't been great the last 12 months, and he's run out of steam.
What's frustrating for me is that he's got the physical goods to be a generational talent, but just doesn't seem to have the mental game at this stage. Not unique to him - Sione Lauaki, Peter Saili were phsyically amazing, but just not there mentally. Not sure either of them did as much as Akira did though...
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@antipodean said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
And yes he clearly needed a rest last year. But what's the excuse now?
Who's calling for him to make the ABs at the moment? This is all historical (just what the Fern is for) - his form and attitude hasn't been great the last 12 months, and he's run out of steam.
What's frustrating for me is that he's got the physical goods to be a generational talent, but just doesn't seem to have the mental game at this stage. Not unique to him - Sione Lauaki, Peter Saili were phsyically amazing, but just not there mentally. Not sure either of them did as much as Akira did though...
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@nzzp said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@antipodean said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
I think the way things have transpired, perhaps what the brains trust saw in Akira had some grounding.
Really? You don't think his physical gifts meant it was worth investing in his mental side? I dunno, from the outside seemed a very hands off approach. Honest question - would you rather have peak Luke Whitelock, or peak Akira?
Whitelock L got 8 caps....
I think maybe too much stick and not enough carrot for Akira.
After Auckland won the NPC, I think even Sir Ted said Hansen should show him some love.
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@antipodean said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
And yes he clearly needed a rest last year. But what's the excuse now?
Who's calling for him to make the ABs at the moment? This is all historical (just what the Fern is for) - his form and attitude hasn't been great the last 12 months, and he's run out of steam.
What's frustrating for me is that he's got the physical goods to be a generational talent, but just doesn't seem to have the mental game at this stage. Not unique to him - Sione Lauaki, Peter Saili were phsyically amazing, but just not there mentally. Not sure either of them did as much as Akira did though...
@nzzp said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@antipodean said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
And yes he clearly needed a rest last year. But what's the excuse now?
Who's calling for him to make the ABs at the moment? This is all historical (just what the Fern is for) - his form and attitude hasn't been great the last 12 months, and he's run out of steam.
What's frustrating for me is that he's got the physical goods to be a generational talent, but just doesn't seem to have the mental game at this stage. Not unique to him - Sione Lauaki, Peter Saili were phsyically amazing, but just not there mentally. Not sure either of them did as much as Akira did though...
Ok, as long as we're having one of those grainy tinted flashbacks of yesteryear threads. Toeava was exposed to Test rugby too early with too much expectation on his shoulders. Discuss.
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@nzzp said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@antipodean said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
And yes he clearly needed a rest last year. But what's the excuse now?
Who's calling for him to make the ABs at the moment? This is all historical (just what the Fern is for) - his form and attitude hasn't been great the last 12 months, and he's run out of steam.
What's frustrating for me is that he's got the physical goods to be a generational talent, but just doesn't seem to have the mental game at this stage. Not unique to him - Sione Lauaki, Peter Saili were phsyically amazing, but just not there mentally. Not sure either of them did as much as Akira did though...
Ok, as long as we're having one of those grainy tinted flashbacks of yesteryear threads. Toeava was exposed to Test rugby too early with too much expectation on his shoulders. Discuss.
Nah lets stick to Frizell being shit and provincialism of those defending him
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@nzzp said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@antipodean said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
And yes he clearly needed a rest last year. But what's the excuse now?
Who's calling for him to make the ABs at the moment? This is all historical (just what the Fern is for) - his form and attitude hasn't been great the last 12 months, and he's run out of steam.
What's frustrating for me is that he's got the physical goods to be a generational talent, but just doesn't seem to have the mental game at this stage. Not unique to him - Sione Lauaki, Peter Saili were phsyically amazing, but just not there mentally. Not sure either of them did as much as Akira did though...
Ok, as long as we're having one of those grainy tinted flashbacks of yesteryear threads. Toeava was exposed to Test rugby too early with too much expectation on his shoulders. Discuss.
@antipodean said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@nzzp said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@antipodean said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
And yes he clearly needed a rest last year. But what's the excuse now?
Who's calling for him to make the ABs at the moment? This is all historical (just what the Fern is for) - his form and attitude hasn't been great the last 12 months, and he's run out of steam.
What's frustrating for me is that he's got the physical goods to be a generational talent, but just doesn't seem to have the mental game at this stage. Not unique to him - Sione Lauaki, Peter Saili were phsyically amazing, but just not there mentally. Not sure either of them did as much as Akira did though...
Ok, as long as we're having one of those grainy tinted flashbacks of yesteryear threads. Toeava was exposed to Test rugby too early with too much expectation on his shoulders. Discuss.
fark me, that guy was a talent. Wayne Smith admitted they stuffed up his career by bigging him up too soon.
How good would the Blues have been with Luatua, Piutau, Toeava, keeping Charlie F, John Afoa ... poor administration and coaching has stuffed the franchise completely. You'd be bringing AKira and Rieko into a healthy environment, not the total clusterfark that has been there from time to time.
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Nah lets stick to Frizell being shit and provincialism of those defending him
@Duluth I can't be the lone ranger upset that Frizell, despite his obvious athletic gifts, doesn't display the intent to legally commit grievous bodily harm on the field.
I like the ginger from Auckland, but he's going to need to play flanker more than lock to squeeze himself into the squad.
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@Duluth I can't be the lone ranger upset that Frizell, despite his obvious athletic gifts, doesn't display the intent to legally commit grievous bodily harm on the field.
I like the ginger from Auckland, but he's going to need to play flanker more than lock to squeeze himself into the squad.
@antipodean said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
I like the ginger from Auckland
@taniwharugby you might want to jump in here
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@antipodean said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
I like the ginger from Auckland
@taniwharugby you might want to jump in here
@Duluth well I guess @antipodean is Australian, and he sees the Blues and thinks Auckland...
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@Duluth well I guess @antipodean is Australian, and he sees the Blues and thinks Auckland...
@taniwharugby said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Duluth well I guess @antipodean is Australian, and he sees the Blues and thinks Auckland...
Yeah. Fair enough.
from Northland.
Penance served.
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@Duluth I can't be the lone ranger upset that Frizell, despite his obvious athletic gifts, doesn't display the intent to legally commit grievous bodily harm on the field.
I like the ginger from Auckland, but he's going to need to play flanker more than lock to squeeze himself into the squad.
@antipodean said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
I like the ginger from North Auckland, but he's going to need to play flanker more than lock to squeeze himself into the squad.
That versatility might help him get into the squad. A genuine lock/6 is very useful for the bench. There's not many players that can do it and I think he does it better than Barrett or Fafita
Fafita of course can't be ignored because he once did well on a TSF man of the match poll versus Argentina
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@antipodean said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
I like the ginger from North Auckland, but he's going to need to play flanker more than lock to squeeze himself into the squad.
That versatility might help him get into the squad. A genuine lock/6 is very useful for the bench. There's not many players that can do it and I think he does it better than Barrett or Fafita
Fafita of course can't be ignored because he once did well on a TSF man of the match poll versus Argentina
@Duluth said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
Fafita of course can't be ignored because he once did well on a TSF man of the match poll versus Argentina
One sprint around the outside...
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@antipodean said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
I like the ginger from North Auckland, but he's going to need to play flanker more than lock to squeeze himself into the squad.
That versatility might help him get into the squad. A genuine lock/6 is very useful for the bench. There's not many players that can do it and I think he does it better than Barrett or Fafita
Fafita of course can't be ignored because he once did well on a TSF man of the match poll versus Argentina
@Duluth said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@antipodean said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
I like the ginger from North Auckland, but he's going to need to play flanker more than lock to squeeze himself into the squad.
That versatility might help him get into the squad. A genuine lock/6 is very useful for the bench. There's not many players that can do it and I think he does it better than Barrett or Fafita
Fafita of course can't be ignored because he once did well on a TSF man of the match poll versus Argentina
Fafita has some mongrel about him which I like,But the Brain fades and drifting out of games too often ruins it somewhat for me.
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@Duluth I can't be the lone ranger upset that Frizell, despite his obvious athletic gifts, doesn't display the intent to legally commit grievous bodily harm on the field.
I like the ginger from Auckland, but he's going to need to play flanker more than lock to squeeze himself into the squad.
@antipodean said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Duluth I can't be the lone ranger upset that Frizell, despite his obvious athletic gifts, doesn't display the intent to legally commit grievous bodily harm on the field.
I like the ginger from Auckland, but he's going to need to play flanker more than lock to squeeze himself into the squad.
Our national obsession with fit forwards who have skills leads us to these cycles where we run out of guys in NZ rugby who just like to hurt people. Good teams still need old fashioned aggression.
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@antipodean said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Duluth I can't be the lone ranger upset that Frizell, despite his obvious athletic gifts, doesn't display the intent to legally commit grievous bodily harm on the field.
I like the ginger from Auckland, but he's going to need to play flanker more than lock to squeeze himself into the squad.
Our national obsession with fit forwards who have skills leads us to these cycles where we run out of guys in NZ rugby who just like to hurt people. Good teams still need old fashioned aggression.
@mariner4life said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@antipodean said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Duluth I can't be the lone ranger upset that Frizell, despite his obvious athletic gifts, doesn't display the intent to legally commit grievous bodily harm on the field.
I like the ginger from Auckland, but he's going to need to play flanker more than lock to squeeze himself into the squad.
Our national obsession with fit forwards who have skills leads us to these cycles where we run out of guys in NZ rugby who just like to hurt people. Good teams still need old fashioned aggression.
Great observation, and another reason Cane was so badly missed in the semi.
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@Duluth I've seen way more stupid posts. Like the constant fanboying and victim card playing regarding poor Akira.
And yes, I've way more confidence in the ability of ABs selectors to assess a player's abilities and shortcomings than that of some people on the Fern who haven't been present at trainings and who don't know the players. Who knows, he may have discipline issues or character flaws we don't know about. They'll hardly say that in public, won't they?
The new selection panel still has Foster and Fox, but yes, Akira may get another shot at it, if he deserves one. Let's hope he grabs that opportunity with both hands if it comes.
@Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Duluth I've seen way more stupid posts. Like the constant fanboying and victim card playing regarding poor Akira.
And yes, I've way more confidence in the ability of ABs selectors to assess a player's abilities and shortcomings than that of some people on the Fern who haven't been present at trainings and who don't know the players. Who knows, he may have discipline issues or character flaws we don't know about. They'll hardly say that in public, won't they?
The new selection panel still has Foster and Fox, but yes, Akira may get another shot at it, if he deserves one. Let's hope he grabs that opportunity with both hands if it comes.
Sheesh dude, the year that Evans got a cap and Taufua was selected in the squad and Akira wasn't he outplayed them both easily. His detractors said look at the stats, and his run stats, tackle stats etc were all easily better, so then it came down to rucks being the only thing a loosie is judged on - and as good a player as Evans is he wasn't hitting lots of rucks, and you don't select Taufua for his ruck mastery.
He simply didn't get the same chances as other players and it's preposterous to claim otherwise.
On Frizell, I was one of his biggest detractors, dude should be playing for Tonga and shouldn't have been selected from the Highlanders bench, but I think he'd go ok with decent game time.
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Nah lets stick to Frizell being shit and provincialism of those defending him
@Duluth said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
Nah lets stick to Frizell being shit and provincialism of those defending him
You mean @Chris-B right?
Frizzel is annoying....he's always just bubbling under, although lack of gametime probably doesn't help. I should be really looking forward to him getting on the park and while he never does a bad job there's just always that spark missing.
And now he's being out performed by the two young fellas. Even Parete is hitting harder than him.
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@Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Duluth I've seen way more stupid posts. Like the constant fanboying and victim card playing regarding poor Akira.
And yes, I've way more confidence in the ability of ABs selectors to assess a player's abilities and shortcomings than that of some people on the Fern who haven't been present at trainings and who don't know the players. Who knows, he may have discipline issues or character flaws we don't know about. They'll hardly say that in public, won't they?
The new selection panel still has Foster and Fox, but yes, Akira may get another shot at it, if he deserves one. Let's hope he grabs that opportunity with both hands if it comes.
Sheesh dude, the year that Evans got a cap and Taufua was selected in the squad and Akira wasn't he outplayed them both easily. His detractors said look at the stats, and his run stats, tackle stats etc were all easily better, so then it came down to rucks being the only thing a loosie is judged on - and as good a player as Evans is he wasn't hitting lots of rucks, and you don't select Taufua for his ruck mastery.
He simply didn't get the same chances as other players and it's preposterous to claim otherwise.
On Frizell, I was one of his biggest detractors, dude should be playing for Tonga and shouldn't have been selected from the Highlanders bench, but I think he'd go ok with decent game time.
@Nepia said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Duluth I've seen way more stupid posts. Like the constant fanboying and victim card playing regarding poor Akira.
And yes, I've way more confidence in the ability of ABs selectors to assess a player's abilities and shortcomings than that of some people on the Fern who haven't been present at trainings and who don't know the players. Who knows, he may have discipline issues or character flaws we don't know about. They'll hardly say that in public, won't they?
The new selection panel still has Foster and Fox, but yes, Akira may get another shot at it, if he deserves one. Let's hope he grabs that opportunity with both hands if it comes.
Sheesh dude, the year that Evans got a cap and Taufua was selected in the squad and Akira wasn't he outplayed them both easily. His detractors said look at the stats, and his run stats, tackle stats etc were all easily better, so then it came down to rucks being the only thing a loosie is judged on - and as good a player as Evans is he wasn't hitting lots of rucks, and you don't select Taufua for his ruck mastery.
He simply didn't get the same chances as other players and it's preposterous to claim otherwise
On Frizell, I was one of his biggest detractors, dude should be playing for Tonga and shouldn't have been selected from the Highlanders bench, but I think he'd go ok with decent game time.
But that shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone. Selections are subjective, it’s pretty clear they don’t run the same ruler over all players. And they shouldn’t have too.
