Grace Millane
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@pakman said in Grace Millane:
@hydro11 said in Grace Millane:
@canefan The thing is if this guy did plan to kill Grace, he could have prepared a lot better. The mad panic to dispose the body in some ways shows that it wasn't premeditated. If he wanted to strangle a tinder date to death, he could have thought up a better way to do it.
I still think it was the right decision. If he had called the Police after finding Grace dead then I think he would have gotten off with just manslaughter.
Not lived in NZ for years. What's difference now in minimum sentence between murder and manslaughter?
Manslaughter has no minimum sentence but has a maximum of life imprisonment. If sentenced to life, there is no specific minimum non-parole period unless the killer has at least 1 strike in which case minimum non-parole period is 20 years or 10 years if 20 would be "manifestly unjust". (I haven't seen anything to suggest the killer has a strike, but just in case)
Murder has a presumption of life imprisonment unless it would be "manifestly unjust" (that's a high legal bar to clear - it won't apply here) in which case the minimum non-parole period is 10 years. The judge can go higher if the judge thinks it warranted for the protection of the public and to further denounce the actions - the post-murder actions might well see the judge deciding that he needs to denounce them by increasing the minimum non-parole period.
If the killer has at least one strike, presumption is life without parole unless that would be "manifestly unjust", in which case minimum non-parole period is 20 years. Nobody has ever been sentenced to life without parole because judges have ruled that would be "manifestly unjust".
I have put "manifestly unjust" in quote marks because that's the term throughout sentencing legislation - judges normally interpret it to mean overly excessive in terms of sentence duration. In a recent case, a 27 year old got 20 years 9 months because life without parole would amount to 50+ years.
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Life with 17 years non-parole:
Good riddance.
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@Crucial said in Grace Millane:
He'll stick around like a bad smell. Pretty sure there will be appeals for appeals etc etc if not just an appeal on sentence.
His lawyer made it clear today that he still proclaims innocence.I'm sure his fellow inmates will work out who he is
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@Godder said in Grace Millane:
@canefan said in Grace Millane:
Why does he still have name suppression? He must be on trial with other charges
Seems likely, but the reasons for name suppression are also suppressed, so just speculation really.
I see Evening Standard has published his name, in a headline no less. Quite the dick move.
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His name is unimportant.
I feel incredibly sorry for the Millane family. 17 years seems a ridiculously short stint for a prolonged attack on a stranger's neck that left them dead, taking lewd photos with her corpse, dumping her remains in a shallow grave and then abusing her and her family throughout the trial.
It seems really unfair that he gets to live peacefully in his middle age somewhere when he took Grace's life away from her and her family.
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@canefan said in Grace Millane:
@Godder said in Grace Millane:
Yeah, 20-30 years is likely, although life parole means he can be pulled back inside for anything until he dies.
The guy is a bad seed, you can redeem a guy like that. Room him with the pizza guy killer
Agree that it's unlikely, but 30 years is a long time
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@Godder said in Grace Millane:
@canefan said in Grace Millane:
@Godder said in Grace Millane:
Yeah, 20-30 years is likely, although life parole means he can be pulled back inside for anything until he dies.
The guy is a bad seed, you can redeem a guy like that. Room him with the pizza guy killer
Agree that it's unlikely, but 30 years is a long time
He's in his late 20s right? If he gets out aged late 50s he will be more than physically capable of doing it again. Perishing on the inside would be preferable to spare another family the pain and suffering the Millanes have suffered
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This is an instance where the criminal justice system has performed very satisfactorily. He's locked in a cage for well long enough and on a short leash thereafter.
Save the criticisms or tinkering for when the system grossly misrepresents a criminal travesty.
Murders will always happen, dealing with them consistently is the important part
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Apart from the horrific murder, I think all the women he harassed, threatened, and manhandled will sleep better knowing that sack of shit is locked away. Ditto all the others he lied to and ripped off.
I'm really pleased with the sentence. It does actually feel like justice.
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I've always wondered why we need to know the gory details of how someone commits murder and how he or she goes about disposing of the body. I don't believe it's about journalism, it's blatant sensationalism. There are some things we just don't need to know. Less is more
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@canefan said in Grace Millane:
@Godder said in Grace Millane:
@canefan said in Grace Millane:
@Godder said in Grace Millane:
Yeah, 20-30 years is likely, although life parole means he can be pulled back inside for anything until he dies.
The guy is a bad seed, you can redeem a guy like that. Room him with the pizza guy killer
Agree that it's unlikely, but 30 years is a long time
He's in his late 20s right? If he gets out aged late 50s he will be more than physically capable of doing it again. Perishing on the inside would be preferable to spare another family the pain and suffering the Millanes have suffered
The parole system is quite conservative, for all the complaints about it - if the psych reports etc show any risk, he won't be going anywhere.
