Hurricanes 2020
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@Stargazer said in Hurricanes 2020:
Much better alternatives
12 George Konia (1996)
14 Roger Randle (1996, 1997)
6 Dallas Seymour (1996) or Gordon Falcon (2000)
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2020:
Surprised no one has mentioned Hika Elliot or Cory Jane
Cory Jane belong to the Bay as much as @nepia belongs on this thread.
@Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2020:
@Nepia zzzzzzz.
You Bay boys are just talentless. That Hawkes Bay Canes XV is a joke. Learn how to develop your players better instead of pointing the finger at Wellington. To make matters worse you have two Wellington boys in that XV.
What's this "you" business - that's a Wellington Canes chosen team, hence their ineptness in choosing a player who didn't play for the Magpies when he was in the Canes.
@Toddy said in Hurricanes 2020:
@Nepia does it really matter where the players come from? You could always jump waka again until you find a regional base that's represented to your satisfaction.
Canterbury seems to have pretty good representation at all levels....
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I'm good with my current waka who have been supportive of the Magpies over the years - compare this tight five: Sona, Hika, Ben T, Retallick and Allardice to that Canes one.@jegga said in Hurricanes 2020:
@Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2020:
Surprised no one has mentioned Hika Elliot or Cory Jane
Cory Jane belong to the Bay as much as @nepia belongs on this thread.
Just like Cory I'm from the region so have every right to come in here and have a hissy fit as much the next man.
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And indeed Hika Elliot at 2, but not Cory Jane in the XV, who played fullback for the Magpies. He's not getting that 15 spot from Cunningham.
I'd name Brendon Edmonds at 3 instead of May.
I'd name Brendon Edmonds at 3 instead of May.
Did Edmonds every play for Canes? I thought he was only Highlanders
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I'd name Brendon Edmonds at 3 instead of May.
Did Edmonds every play for Canes? I thought he was only Highlanders
@Stockcar86 He played exactly one single game for the Canes, on 31 May 2014 when he came off the bench against the Blues. He is Hurricane #205.
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MEET THE PLAYER: DEVAN FLANDERS
Devan Flanders, like many before him, grew up with the goal of wearing the yellow and black Hurricanes jersey. While for most, it’s a pipeline dream – Flanders had cracked it before even getting out of his teens. From a rugby mad family in Hastings, Hawke’s Bay - the 20-year-old flanker first signed up to Havelock North Rugby Club at the tender age of four. He says, it wasn’t long before he was hooked. “We were always playing rugby when we could. Both my brothers, all my cousins and my dad played rugby and they love watching it too.” Although, it was high school that Flanders really made a name for himself. Drafted into the Hurricanes Under-18’s squad he was also a pivotal part of helping Hastings Boy’s High to its first ever national title in 2017. He then went on to play in the New Zealand Secondary Schools team and received the Jerry Collins Memorial Bronze Boot for most valuable player. With awards racking up, Flanders began a meteoric rise through the senior rugby ranks which saw him play for Mitre 10 Cup team the Magpies before receiving his first professional contract with the Hurricanes for the 2020 season. “It was always a dream of mine to play for the Hurricanes – in fact it was all I wanted to do when I was older, “Flanders says. Flanders says making his debut against the Stormers in Cape Town was an incredibly proud moment. “My family and I were so excited and nervous before that first game. It was a very surreal moment, where I could finally see how far I’d come in my career.” And, despite having achieved his childhood goal of becoming a part of the Hurricanes, he’s now invested in learning everything he can from his teammates both on and off the field. -
Hawke's Bay Today's report of the Hurricanes U20 v Blues U20 game.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503460&objectid=12312812
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Hurricanes Hunters squad to play Blues A tomorrow:
15 Chase Tiatia
14 Josiah Maraku
13 Peter Umaga-Jensen
12 Danny Toala
11 Te Rangatira Waitokia
10 James Marshall
9 Jonathan Taumateine
8 Brayden Iose
7 Josh Kaifa
6 Solomone Funaki
5 Sam Liebezeit
4 Liam Mitchell
3 Ben May
2 Ricky Riccitelli
1 Sitiveni PaongoReserves
16 James O’Reilly
17 Morgan Poi
18 Luke Chisolm
19 Hugo Plummer
20 Shamus Langton Hurley
21 Kemara Hauiti Parapara
22 Aidan Morgan
23 Trent Renata
24 Frank LochoreInteresting to see last year's Napier 1stXV lock Frank Lochore on the bench. I hope he's still in the Magpies Academy.
https://www.hurricanes.co.nz/news/article/hurricanes-hunter-squad-to-take-on-blues-a-named/
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Anyone know much about Sam Liebezeit?
@Canes4life Ta$man lad, who played for West Coast, last year. Was also in the New Zealand Heartland XV squad of 2019.
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Hurricanes Hunters squad to play Blues A tomorrow:
15 Chase Tiatia
14 Josiah Maraku
13 Peter Umaga-Jensen
12 Danny Toala
11 Te Rangatira Waitokia
10 James Marshall
9 Jonathan Taumateine
8 Brayden Iose
7 Josh Kaifa
6 Solomone Funaki
5 Sam Liebezeit
4 Liam Mitchell
3 Ben May
2 Ricky Riccitelli
1 Sitiveni PaongoReserves
16 James O’Reilly
17 Morgan Poi
18 Luke Chisolm
19 Hugo Plummer
20 Shamus Langton Hurley
21 Kemara Hauiti Parapara
22 Aidan Morgan
23 Trent Renata
24 Frank LochoreInteresting to see last year's Napier 1stXV lock Frank Lochore on the bench. I hope he's still in the Magpies Academy.
https://www.hurricanes.co.nz/news/article/hurricanes-hunter-squad-to-take-on-blues-a-named/
@Stargazer said in Hurricanes 2020:
Hurricanes Hunters squad to play Blues A tomorrow:
15 Chase Tiatia
14 Josiah Maraku
13 Peter Umaga-Jensen
12 Danny Toala
11 Te Rangatira Waitokia
10 James Marshall
9 Jonathan Taumateine
8 Brayden Iose
7 Josh Kaifa
6 Solomone Funaki
5 Sam Liebezeit
4 Liam Mitchell
3 Ben May
2 Ricky Riccitelli
1 Sitiveni PaongoReserves
16 James O’Reilly
17 Morgan Poi
18 Luke Chisolm
19 Hugo Plummer
20 Shamus Langton Hurley
21 Kemara Hauiti Parapara
22 Aidan Morgan
23 Trent Renata
24 Frank LochoreInteresting to see last year's Napier 1stXV lock Frank Lochore on the bench. I hope he's still in the Magpies Academy.
https://www.hurricanes.co.nz/news/article/hurricanes-hunter-squad-to-take-on-blues-a-named/
Frank Lochore played for the Magpies WTG team against Auckland last Saturday.
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@Stargazer said in Hurricanes 2020:
Hurricanes Hunters squad to play Blues A tomorrow:
15 Chase Tiatia
14 Josiah Maraku
13 Peter Umaga-Jensen
12 Danny Toala
11 Te Rangatira Waitokia
10 James Marshall
9 Jonathan Taumateine
8 Brayden Iose
7 Josh Kaifa
6 Solomone Funaki
5 Sam Liebezeit
4 Liam Mitchell
3 Ben May
2 Ricky Riccitelli
1 Sitiveni PaongoReserves
16 James O’Reilly
17 Morgan Poi
18 Luke Chisolm
19 Hugo Plummer
20 Shamus Langton Hurley
21 Kemara Hauiti Parapara
22 Aidan Morgan
23 Trent Renata
24 Frank LochoreInteresting to see last year's Napier 1stXV lock Frank Lochore on the bench. I hope he's still in the Magpies Academy.
https://www.hurricanes.co.nz/news/article/hurricanes-hunter-squad-to-take-on-blues-a-named/
Frank Lochore played for the Magpies WTG team against Auckland last Saturday.
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@Number-10 That's a relief.
@Stargazer many wraps on this kid? How tall he is for a lock?
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I have been to the Hurricanes Hunters v Blues A game. I've posted some general comments and comments on Blues A in the Blues 2020 thread; here I'll post a few general comments and say a few things about the Hunters.
It was a game of two halves, but not two equal halves. The Hunters had about 95% of territory in the first half and had most of the possession; I think the Blues only entered the Hunters' half about 3-4 times, only to lose possession immediately and enabling the Hunters' to enter the Blues' half again. It's a credit to the Blues' defence that they didn't concede more than one try, because the Hunters' threw everything at them. Especially Toala and P Umaga-Jensen were very busy, but didn't get much support from their wings, although Josiah Maraku scored the only Hunters' try in the 12th minute, which Tiatia couldn't convert.
That first half was mostly a half from the pack that dominated the Blues in the scrum and at the breakdown. They won quite a few turnovers. The line-outs - there were quite a few - went well (and made at least one steal), but they didn't try the drive very often. Also, the closer they came to the Blues try line, the harder it was to dominate. The pick n go didn't work. They couldn't find a hole in the Blues defence. It seemed they started to run out of ideas. The Hunters came close to scoring a few times, but then someone dropped the ball, knocked it on or threw it straight at a Blues player, leaving the Hunters with a miserable 5 point lead at the break. Based on how that first half went, the Hunters should have led at least by 15-20 points, but ball handling let them down (the Blues can take some credit for that) and they were probably too impatient.
In the second half in all turned to custard. The more players were subbed, the more downhill it went. The defence, which wasn't tested as much in the first half, started to turn into Swiss cheese in the second and the Blues scored 5 unanswered tries. I had a strong impression that the bench was a big step down from the starting XV.
All in all, the Blues definitely deserved their win!
About some individual players:
Riccitelli and Tolai had an interesting battle. While Riccitelli and his fellow frontrowers had the upperhand in the scrum, I saw Riccitelli getting tackled hard twice by Tolai and both didn't escape unharmed from the second; Riccitelli appeared with a nice shiner after the break. The starting forward pack went well in that first half, esp Mitchell. When the subs came on, the skill level dropped noticeably though.As to the backs, no one really impressed, although both Toala and P Umaga-Jensen tried hard; PU-J butchered one good try-scoring opportunity (knocking the ball on over the try line). Tiatia had a quiet game, and only came close to a break once or twice. Both wings aren't SR level (yet).
Marshall had a good kicking game, but just isn't a 10; he's a fullback and shouldn't be used as a 10. His game management is not of SR level. Taumateine had a good game, but got injured just after half time and had to leave the field (leg injury, don't know how serious it was).
Finally, to answer @Canes4life question: Frank Lochore played at lock for Napier Boys, but is more a lock/loosie type of player. Not tall enough for a SR level lock IMO. When he came on in approx. the 65th minute, he replaced one of the loosies. If I try to rank today's locks or lock-loosies from tallest to shortest, than you'd probably have something like Liebezeit - Mitchell - Plummer - Lochore.
Full time: Hurricanes Hunters 5 - 31 Blues A (HT: 5 - 0)
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I have been to the Hurricanes Hunters v Blues A game. I've posted some general comments and comments on Blues A in the Blues 2020 thread; here I'll post a few general comments and say a few things about the Hunters.
It was a game of two halves, but not two equal halves. The Hunters had about 95% of territory in the first half and had most of the possession; I think the Blues only entered the Hunters' half about 3-4 times, only to lose possession immediately and enabling the Hunters' to enter the Blues' half again. It's a credit to the Blues' defence that they didn't concede more than one try, because the Hunters' threw everything at them. Especially Toala and P Umaga-Jensen were very busy, but didn't get much support from their wings, although Josiah Maraku scored the only Hunters' try in the 12th minute, which Tiatia couldn't convert.
That first half was mostly a half from the pack that dominated the Blues in the scrum and at the breakdown. They won quite a few turnovers. The line-outs - there were quite a few - went well (and made at least one steal), but they didn't try the drive very often. Also, the closer they came to the Blues try line, the harder it was to dominate. The pick n go didn't work. They couldn't find a hole in the Blues defence. It seemed they started to run out of ideas. The Hunters came close to scoring a few times, but then someone dropped the ball, knocked it on or threw it straight at a Blues player, leaving the Hunters with a miserable 5 point lead at the break. Based on how that first half went, the Hunters should have led at least by 15-20 points, but ball handling let them down (the Blues can take some credit for that) and they were probably too impatient.
In the second half in all turned to custard. The more players were subbed, the more downhill it went. The defence, which wasn't tested as much in the first half, started to turn into Swiss cheese in the second and the Blues scored 5 unanswered tries. I had a strong impression that the bench was a big step down from the starting XV.
All in all, the Blues definitely deserved their win!
About some individual players:
Riccitelli and Tolai had an interesting battle. While Riccitelli and his fellow frontrowers had the upperhand in the scrum, I saw Riccitelli getting tackled hard twice by Tolai and both didn't escape unharmed from the second; Riccitelli appeared with a nice shiner after the break. The starting forward pack went well in that first half, esp Mitchell. When the subs came on, the skill level dropped noticeably though.As to the backs, no one really impressed, although both Toala and P Umaga-Jensen tried hard; PU-J butchered one good try-scoring opportunity (knocking the ball on over the try line). Tiatia had a quiet game, and only came close to a break once or twice. Both wings aren't SR level (yet).
Marshall had a good kicking game, but just isn't a 10; he's a fullback and shouldn't be used as a 10. His game management is not of SR level. Taumateine had a good game, but got injured just after half time and had to leave the field (leg injury, don't know how serious it was).
Finally, to answer @Canes4life question: Frank Lochore played at lock for Napier Boys, but is more a lock/loosie type of player. Not tall enough for a SR level lock IMO. When he came on in approx. the 65th minute, he replaced one of the loosies. If I try to rank today's locks or lock-loosies from tallest to shortest, than you'd probably have something like Liebezeit - Mitchell - Plummer - Lochore.
Full time: Hurricanes Hunters 5 - 31 Blues A (HT: 5 - 0)
@Stargazer thanks for teh writeup
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Good stuff that Stargazer - it is somewhat familiar.
In my wife's SE Asian village the boys are as accomplished in dance as the girls and they sing just as sweetly when they are seven and when they are twenty seven. It is a delight to watch them getting about in their great big common dusty playground (we call it a "road" in the western world and the difference is they have no cars :face_savouring_delicious_food: ) and they have such a sense of unrestrained joy doing it.
We have so much, in a material sense, and look for something to grump about; they get about happy all the time and they own next to nothing.
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