Possible All Blacks 2020
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If the bullshit line I was fed that the only reason Sam Whitelock lashed out in the semi was because of all the rookies around him, is even remotely true, then there is no way he can be captain.
There has been a succession of captains out of the crusaders and they have all been shit bar one. Try something different guys.
@mariner4life said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
There has been a succession of captains out of the crusaders and they have all been shit bar one. Try something different guys.
It's pretty fucking early to be going back to the Chiefs region for a coach - let alone a Waikato one!
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@mariner4life said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
There has been a succession of captains out of the crusaders and they have all been shit bar one. Try something different guys.
It's pretty fucking early to be going back to the Chiefs region for a coach - let alone a Waikato one!
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If the bullshit line I was fed that the only reason Sam Whitelock lashed out in the semi was because of all the rookies around him, is even remotely true, then there is no way he can be captain.
There has been a succession of captains out of the crusaders and they have all been shit bar one. Try something different guys.
@mariner4life said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
If the bullshit line I was fed that the only reason Sam Whitelock lashed out in the semi was because of all the rookies around him, is even remotely true, then there is no way he can be captain.
There has been a succession of captains out of the crusaders and they have all been shit bar one. Try something different guys.
I don't care what the reason for his lashing out was - it was simply unacceptable in the circumstances. I would be happy for him to call the line outs and nothing more.
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@junior I think we all shared that view in the immediate aftermath. It was a terrible mistake
But history is littered with players that have made a small number of mistakes then gone on to be inspirational leaders.
Do we not owe him another chance?
@voodoo said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@junior I think we all shared that view in the immediate aftermath. It was a terrible mistake
But history is littered with players that have made a small number of mistakes then gone on to be inspirational leaders.
Do we not owe him another chance?
Nah fuck 'im
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Thtat McCaw guy did that retarded leg trip v Argentina in a RWC, he seemed a handy leader at that point.
What Whitelock did was dumb as a dumb thing, that didnt cost us the match, nor should it cost him the chance to lead us, if he is the one deemed to be our future leader
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Thtat McCaw guy did that retarded leg trip v Argentina in a RWC, he seemed a handy leader at that point.
What Whitelock did was dumb as a dumb thing, that didnt cost us the match, nor should it cost him the chance to lead us, if he is the one deemed to be our future leader
@taniwharugby said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
What Whitelock did was dumb as a dumb thing, that didnt cost us the match, nor should it cost him the chance to lead us, if he is the one deemed to be our future leader
nope, cost an opportunity to get back into the game. Costs him some real added scrutiny on his leadership ability.
Makes it clear quite how good a leader the GOAT turned into - just domnated the team mentally for years
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@taniwharugby said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
What Whitelock did was dumb as a dumb thing, that didnt cost us the match, nor should it cost him the chance to lead us, if he is the one deemed to be our future leader
nope, cost an opportunity to get back into the game. Costs him some real added scrutiny on his leadership ability.
Makes it clear quite how good a leader the GOAT turned into - just domnated the team mentally for years
@nzzp wasnt that YC on McCaw in 2015, which was pretty much when he was at his peak leadership?
As an aside, I think Cane would be a better bet to lead, just saying I dont think that moment should define his (Whitelock) potential leadership.
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@mariner4life said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
If the bullshit line I was fed that the only reason Sam Whitelock lashed out in the semi was because of all the rookies around him, is even remotely true, then there is no way he can be captain.
There has been a succession of captains out of the crusaders and they have all been shit bar one. Try something different guys.
If the captaincy comes down to a choice between a Cantab and a Chief who would Foster pick?
Does anyone think Foster wouldn't pick Cane?
Cane makes sense from a PR point of view too. It distances Foster from the failed Hansen World Cup campaign. Hansen drops Cane for the massively overrated Scott Barrett.. Foster does the opposite, he gives Cane a promotion
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I'd prefer a captain that keeps his cool under pressure and doesn't let the situation get the better of them. That excludes any halfback as both Smith and TJP are too emotional. Barrett lost the plot against the Chiefs when he was one of the main offenders for the high penalty count, and the red card is a black mark against him. For that reason I would go for Cane. Not because he is a Chief or I think Foster has any bias but he seems the best option from the likely candidates.
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I'd prefer a captain that keeps his cool under pressure and doesn't let the situation get the better of them. That excludes any halfback as both Smith and TJP are too emotional. Barrett lost the plot against the Chiefs when he was one of the main offenders for the high penalty count, and the red card is a black mark against him. For that reason I would go for Cane. Not because he is a Chief or I think Foster has any bias but he seems the best option from the likely candidates.
@Bovidae said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
Not because he is a Chief or I think Foster has any bias but he seems the best option from the likely
Everyone has a bias, including Foster. I expect more Chiefs to make the squad than if Robertson was the coach.. that's not a shot at Foster, that's recognising the way subjective selections work
I think Cane is the right choice too
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@Bovidae said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
Not because he is a Chief or I think Foster has any bias but he seems the best option from the likely
Everyone has a bias, including Foster. I expect more Chiefs to make the squad than if Robertson was the coach.. that's not a shot at Foster, that's recognising the way subjective selections work
I think Cane is the right choice too
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Has Foster coached any of these Chiefs at Super level? I doubt it. But if Robertson had won the job (and I was in his camp over Foster) he'd naturally pick players he knew over players he didn't know so well. They'd be Crusaders players most likely.
I don't think Foster is going to favour Chiefs in the same way, because he hasn't had that closeness with the current Chiefs players (outside of the ABs).
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Has Foster coached any of these Chiefs at Super level? I doubt it. But if Robertson had won the job (and I was in his camp over Foster) he'd naturally pick players he knew over players he didn't know so well. They'd be Crusaders players most likely.
I don't think Foster is going to favour Chiefs in the same way, because he hasn't had that closeness with the current Chiefs players (outside of the ABs).
@Nepia said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
Has Foster coached any of these Chiefs at Super level? I doubt it.
Only Cane, but he was a newbie in the squad during Foster's last 2 years as Chiefs coach.
Edit: Cane made his debut aged 18. I didn't realise he was that young.
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Has Foster coached any of these Chiefs at Super level? I doubt it. But if Robertson had won the job (and I was in his camp over Foster) he'd naturally pick players he knew over players he didn't know so well. They'd be Crusaders players most likely.
I don't think Foster is going to favour Chiefs in the same way, because he hasn't had that closeness with the current Chiefs players (outside of the ABs).
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@Chris-B I thought you'd be all for him, he's just the type of dimwitted hopeless coach you spend half your time fluffing on here (and the other half is devoted to Ta$man and Ranfurly Shield challenges).
@Nepia said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Chris-B I thought you'd be all for him, he's just the type of dimwitted hopeless coach you spend half your time fluffing on here (and the other half is devoted to Ta$man and Ranfurly Shield challenges).
At least some of my guys win things.
There's quite a few coaching jobs on offer and Dingo Dave Rennie can't do all of them!
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Problem with Cane is that he's far from guaranteed his starting spot.
If you're going to start Ardie and Sam you're locking into a two 7s system.
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Thtat McCaw guy did that retarded leg trip v Argentina in a RWC, he seemed a handy leader at that point.
What Whitelock did was dumb as a dumb thing, that didnt cost us the match, nor should it cost him the chance to lead us, if he is the one deemed to be our future leader
@taniwharugby said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
Thtat McCaw guy did that retarded leg trip v Argentina in a RWC, he seemed a handy leader at that point.
What Whitelock did was dumb as a dumb thing, that didnt cost us the match, nor should it cost him the chance to lead us, if he is the one deemed to be our future leader
Yeah nah, that was a gilt-edged opportunity to go down to the corner and then get us firmly back in the match with 10 or so minutes to go and our opposition desperately trying to hold onto a lead to take them into the biggest match of their lives. That was criminal and in no way comparable to anything McCaw ever did.
