'Super Rugby' 2021
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@Rapido said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I'm not interested in international club/franchise rugby.
Unfortunately we may still be lumped with Australia if the trans-tasman bubble comes into being, so no incentive to totally sever the Super Rugby ties/model.
I love the NPC, but don't think it should become the future professional model as its charm was that it was representative rugby. Apart from being unaffordable, professional sport needs to be club/based rather the representative team based. And the amateur representative unions should be shielded from the dangers of prefessionalism and left to do what they should do - reward the 15 best club players in the province with rep rugby, plus youth, womens rugby etc.
I would love to see a professional domestic competition based on 'franchises' which are based on old provincial lines. With ownership by the provinces as well as by fan membership. Something like a hybrid of the original Super 12 along with the AFL membership system, or the Bundesliga 50+1 ownership model (minimum 50+1 % ownership by members).
And below this, an amateur NPC still exists, and amateur club rugby.
Each 'franchise' needs a minimum of 2 NPC provinces (to seperate their identity from princes).
Ownership is by the amatuer unions, plus members - to give ownership and buy in from community. But these are not for profit structures.So I would end up splitting some of the existing provinces, and combining some of the others. Getting a preferably 32 team amateur competition (2 divisions of 16 with: 2 pools of 8, or 4 pools of 4 - so amateurs play as a cheap cheery on top at the end of the club season)
So, in my dreams. Something like this:
11 team Domestic Professional League- North Auckland (Amateur unions: Northland, North Harbour)
- Auckland (Amateur unions: Auckland Isthmus, Waitakere)
- Counties Manukau (Amateur unions: Manukau, Franklin)
- Waikato (Amateur unions: Hamilton, Thames Valley, King Country)
- BOP (Amateur unions: Coastline, BOP Lakes)
- Eastlands (Amateur unions: Hawkes Bay, Wairarapa, East Cape)
- LNI (Amateur unions: (Taranaki, Wanganui, Manawatu)
- Wellington (Amateur unions: Wellington, Ho-Kap)
- Ta$man (Amateur unions: (Westland, Nelson Bays, Marlborough)
- Canterbury (Amateur unions: Christchurch, South Canterbury, Mid Canterbury, North Canterbury)
- Otago (Amateur unions: Dunedin, Otago Country, Southland, North Otago)
Wow, impressive but absolutely fantasy. I was hoping to discuss ideas that have more than a 0.0000008% chance of coming to fruition.
I agree with @shark that the whole key to making it all work is Japan. I love the idea of expanding AB eligibility for any Super side in a "Pacific Rim" competition withe South Africa focused up in Europe.
The Saffers are already one foot in one foot out with some of their provincial teams playing in Europe, given the world is increasingly divided up along TV market lines where time zones matter more than hemispheres I reckon we let them go.
5 NZ teams, 4 Aussie, 4 Japanese, 2 Argie, 1 Pacific Island (home games in Auckland/Sydney, but preseason matches in the Islands) = 16 teams. 16 week round robin (everyone gets a bye week), straight top 4 SF then final, all done in 18 weeks. Travel tough but doable given no SA involvement. Scope to include US/Canada teams further down the track.
None of this home/away rubbish that bloats the schedule, to then try and pare it back with a conference system. The 6 Nations alternates home and away every year and the luck of the draw plays a big part and people live with that. We can too.
Key to making it work is integrating with the Japanese club system. Tough but should be possible, they should be massively keen to grow the game after the world cup there and the great strides the national team has made.
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@Godder said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
For 2021, I think start with an ANZ tournament. Less likely to be disrupted by travel and pandemic issues, so there's more certainty that the competition will be completed.
Either 5 NZ & 3 Oz teams, or perhaps 6 & 4. Too many Oz teams just means they get stomped, which I enjoy but probably isn't conducive to garnering a following in Oz given their love of winners.
Double round robin, home and away, semis and a final. If the playoffs need to be bigger in a 10 team competition, go top 5, with the old league system.
Where does the money come from to pay the players with this model? Without the African TV money, we need something to fill the breach.
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Godder said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
For 2021, I think start with an ANZ tournament. Less likely to be disrupted by travel and pandemic issues, so there's more certainty that the competition will be completed.
Either 5 NZ & 3 Oz teams, or perhaps 6 & 4. Too many Oz teams just means they get stomped, which I enjoy but probably isn't conducive to garnering a following in Oz given their love of winners.
Double round robin, home and away, semis and a final. If the playoffs need to be bigger in a 10 team competition, go top 5, with the old league system.
Where does the money come from to pay the players with this model? Without the African TV money, we need something to fill the breach.
TV rights and probably a pared back cost structure for everyone.
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I agree with @shark that the whole key to making it all work is Japan. I love the idea of expanding AB eligibility for any Super side in a "Pacific Rim" competition withe South Africa focused up in Europe.
The Saffers are already one foot in one foot out with some of their provincial teams playing in Europe, given the world is increasingly divided up along TV market lines where time zones matter more than hemispheres I reckon we let them go.
5 NZ teams, 4 Aussie, 4 Japanese, 2 Argie, 1 Pacific Island (home games in Auckland/Sydney, but preseason matches in the Islands) = 16 teams. 16 week round robin (everyone gets a bye week), straight top 4 SF then final, all done in 18 weeks. Travel tough but doable given no SA involvement. Scope to include US/Canada teams further down the track.
None of this home/away rubbish that bloats the schedule, to then try and pare it back with a conference system. The 6 Nations alternates home and away every year and the luck of the draw plays a big part and people live with that. We can too.
Key to making it work is integrating with the Japanese club system. Tough but should be possible, they should be massively keen to grow the game after the world cup there and the great strides the national team has made.
@TeWaio said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I agree with @shark that the whole key to making it all work is Japan
I'm fairly convinced that Japan is the key to financial security for NZ and the other Pacific Island unions. The timing is perfect to build on their RWC success.
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Genuine question - why would this competition automatically include Australia as a partner?
If they cannot bring a big dollar TV contract or 2000-era level crowds I am not sure why we would want to be tethered to the hip with them and enter into a formal partnership with them and be exposed to their infighting. If Wales exited the Pro 14 the answer wouldn't be adding a bunch more Italian teams and a strategic alignment between Italy and Ireland.
I am not against having Australian teams in an expanded competition but they enter on the basis to the Warriors in the NRL, Breakers in the NBL or proposed NZ Big Bash teams.
Japan is a different story as they can bring $$$ (in-lieu of a yen sign on my keyboard).
If the Boks go from SAANZAR then it is probably in our best interests to peruse a wholly independent model of setting test fixtures and to a large extent auction them off to the highest bidder rather than play a goofy 3N with an ailing Australia and Argentina with 50% YoY inflation.
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@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Godder said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
For 2021, I think start with an ANZ tournament. Less likely to be disrupted by travel and pandemic issues, so there's more certainty that the competition will be completed.
Either 5 NZ & 3 Oz teams, or perhaps 6 & 4. Too many Oz teams just means they get stomped, which I enjoy but probably isn't conducive to garnering a following in Oz given their love of winners.
Double round robin, home and away, semis and a final. If the playoffs need to be bigger in a 10 team competition, go top 5, with the old league system.
Where does the money come from to pay the players with this model? Without the African TV money, we need something to fill the breach.
TV rights and probably a pared back cost structure for everyone.
@Godder said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Godder said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
For 2021, I think start with an ANZ tournament. Less likely to be disrupted by travel and pandemic issues, so there's more certainty that the competition will be completed.
Either 5 NZ & 3 Oz teams, or perhaps 6 & 4. Too many Oz teams just means they get stomped, which I enjoy but probably isn't conducive to garnering a following in Oz given their love of winners.
Double round robin, home and away, semis and a final. If the playoffs need to be bigger in a 10 team competition, go top 5, with the old league system.
Where does the money come from to pay the players with this model? Without the African TV money, we need something to fill the breach.
TV rights and probably a pared back cost structure for everyone.
Without SA, or Japan, the TV rights money is peanuts.
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So above. I have actually ended up with 30 amateur unions (rather than 32).
I would try to envisage. Normal clubs season, then a proper amateur NPC of the best club players. 30 teams could be either 3 or 4 divisions. Or 2 divsions, top 16 / bottom 14. Split into pools. Amateur rep rugby can’t last too long. People have jobs. Want it to be like current Heartland Champs – Maybe 2 months of commitment by the amateurs in Augus / Sep. But hopefully without huge NZRU subsidies.
The professional rugby structure.
11 pro teams, 10 home and away games each = means 20 games each plus 2 byes. Over in 22 weeks. Then playoffs.The SH international club competition can be a 2 week comp in a single city. Champs from NZ, Aus, Saf, and the South American league (or just ARG if league becomes financial casualty). Play semis and a final only. In one location. E.g. rotating; Buenos Aires > Saf city > Sydney etc > NZ city.
Still fit in international windows.
I’m still up for the TRC, by SANZAAR. Just not Super Rugby.
24 weeks domestic (22 weeeks regular plus 2 weeks finals
2 weeks SH clubs comp
X weeks international rugby.Could have rugby done in 8 to 9 months, and fuck off out of the cricket season. Would only have to listen to Phil Kearns commentary at most 2 or 3 games, that’s a HUUUGE selling point.
This relies on NH rugby to implode financially. NZRU to spend their $100m in a mega domestic gamble .....
Ownership example, using North Auckland: 20% Northland, 20 North Harbour, 20% NZRU, 20 % membership, 20% private ownership (if you can find some suckers) etc.
NZRU would still probably need to centrally contract the best 30 odd players.
Oh, and no shit jerseys in my dream comp. Clear patterns, no duck shooting camouflage or blends or fades or swirls.
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@TeWaio said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I agree with @shark that the whole key to making it all work is Japan
I'm fairly convinced that Japan is the key to financial security for NZ and the other Pacific Island unions. The timing is perfect to build on their RWC success.
@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@TeWaio said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I agree with @shark that the whole key to making it all work is Japan
I'm fairly convinced that Japan is the key to financial security for NZ and the other Pacific Island unions. The timing is perfect to build on their RWC success.
Are flights to Japan likely in the near future?
The flight times to Tokyo and BA are similar so no reason not to include the Jaguares in any future competition if a long haul flight is required.
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@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@TeWaio said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I agree with @shark that the whole key to making it all work is Japan
I'm fairly convinced that Japan is the key to financial security for NZ and the other Pacific Island unions. The timing is perfect to build on their RWC success.
Are flights to Japan likely in the near future?
The flight times to Tokyo and BA are similar so no reason not to include the Jaguares in any future competition if a long haul flight is required.
@Bovidae also cant see Pichot allowing Argentina to be cast into the wilderness either...
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I don't think there's any point in discussing the Jaguares not being involved in any future SR comp. It's just not realistic.
I DO think there's a lot of merit in Rapido's call re jerseys though. SA not being involved gets rid of several of the abominations for a start including camo, superhero cos-play and whatever the fuck that yellow thing was the Bulls changed into at HT in the infamous jersey clash game this year. Then I'd make a rule that adidas couldn't distort playing strips for the sake of marketing gimmickery like they did this year, but they can make training strips as outlandish as they like.
Teams would have a home strip, and an away strip in inverted colours or a different colour scheme using other provincial sides' colours in the franchise boundaries. That goes for ALL teams. I'd ban shit like tartan, volcanos and chain mail from the regular NZ jerseys, but each team could have the equivalent of an NBA-style 'City Edition' jersey which may not be in franchise colours but would still be representative of the region. This would only be worn once or twice a season, and would need to be entirely distinctive from other sides' jerseys.
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@Godder said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Godder said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
For 2021, I think start with an ANZ tournament. Less likely to be disrupted by travel and pandemic issues, so there's more certainty that the competition will be completed.
Either 5 NZ & 3 Oz teams, or perhaps 6 & 4. Too many Oz teams just means they get stomped, which I enjoy but probably isn't conducive to garnering a following in Oz given their love of winners.
Double round robin, home and away, semis and a final. If the playoffs need to be bigger in a 10 team competition, go top 5, with the old league system.
Where does the money come from to pay the players with this model? Without the African TV money, we need something to fill the breach.
TV rights and probably a pared back cost structure for everyone.
Without SA, or Japan, the TV rights money is peanuts.
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Godder said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Godder said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
For 2021, I think start with an ANZ tournament. Less likely to be disrupted by travel and pandemic issues, so there's more certainty that the competition will be completed.
Either 5 NZ & 3 Oz teams, or perhaps 6 & 4. Too many Oz teams just means they get stomped, which I enjoy but probably isn't conducive to garnering a following in Oz given their love of winners.
Double round robin, home and away, semis and a final. If the playoffs need to be bigger in a 10 team competition, go top 5, with the old league system.
Where does the money come from to pay the players with this model? Without the African TV money, we need something to fill the breach.
TV rights and probably a pared back cost structure for everyone.
Without SA, or Japan, the TV rights money is peanuts.
Can we have some proof of that? I cannot find the amount of the SA deal, NZR newest from sky has been guessed at. But nothing from SA. I'm not sure that they still bring in the biggest amount. The SA economy is fucked, maybe they used too, but it's it still the case?
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@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Godder said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Godder said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
For 2021, I think start with an ANZ tournament. Less likely to be disrupted by travel and pandemic issues, so there's more certainty that the competition will be completed.
Either 5 NZ & 3 Oz teams, or perhaps 6 & 4. Too many Oz teams just means they get stomped, which I enjoy but probably isn't conducive to garnering a following in Oz given their love of winners.
Double round robin, home and away, semis and a final. If the playoffs need to be bigger in a 10 team competition, go top 5, with the old league system.
Where does the money come from to pay the players with this model? Without the African TV money, we need something to fill the breach.
TV rights and probably a pared back cost structure for everyone.
Without SA, or Japan, the TV rights money is peanuts.
Can we have some proof of that? I cannot find the amount of the SA deal, NZR newest from sky has been guessed at. But nothing from SA. I'm not sure that they still bring in the biggest amount. The SA economy is fucked, maybe they used too, but it's it still the case?
@Machpants The SR viewership numbers for SuperSport will be greater than that of Sky and Fox Sports so I believe they still have the biggest slice of the broadcasting pie within SANZAAR.
It is hard to find any current information. This link might have some info but you need to subscribe.
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@Machpants The SR viewership numbers for SuperSport will be greater than that of Sky and Fox Sports so I believe they still have the biggest slice of the broadcasting pie within SANZAAR.
It is hard to find any current information. This link might have some info but you need to subscribe.
@Bovidae @Machpants I vaguely recall seeing somethign a couple of years back that indicated the SA numbers were not as big as oft stated, but were still the biggest of the 3. NZ numbers were higher than many thought they'd be IIRC
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@Godder said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Godder said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
For 2021, I think start with an ANZ tournament. Less likely to be disrupted by travel and pandemic issues, so there's more certainty that the competition will be completed.
Either 5 NZ & 3 Oz teams, or perhaps 6 & 4. Too many Oz teams just means they get stomped, which I enjoy but probably isn't conducive to garnering a following in Oz given their love of winners.
Double round robin, home and away, semis and a final. If the playoffs need to be bigger in a 10 team competition, go top 5, with the old league system.
Where does the money come from to pay the players with this model? Without the African TV money, we need something to fill the breach.
TV rights and probably a pared back cost structure for everyone.
Without SA, or Japan, the TV rights money is peanuts.
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Godder said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Godder said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
For 2021, I think start with an ANZ tournament. Less likely to be disrupted by travel and pandemic issues, so there's more certainty that the competition will be completed.
Either 5 NZ & 3 Oz teams, or perhaps 6 & 4. Too many Oz teams just means they get stomped, which I enjoy but probably isn't conducive to garnering a following in Oz given their love of winners.
Double round robin, home and away, semis and a final. If the playoffs need to be bigger in a 10 team competition, go top 5, with the old league system.
Where does the money come from to pay the players with this model? Without the African TV money, we need something to fill the breach.
TV rights and probably a pared back cost structure for everyone.
Without SA, or Japan, the TV rights money is peanuts.
Unconfirmed estimate of $400 million over 5 years - seems enough to make it worthwhile setting something up sooner rather than later, and if that's a Australasian competition to start with, so be it.
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@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@TeWaio said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I agree with @shark that the whole key to making it all work is Japan
I'm fairly convinced that Japan is the key to financial security for NZ and the other Pacific Island unions. The timing is perfect to build on their RWC success.
Are flights to Japan likely in the near future?
The flight times to Tokyo and BA are similar so no reason not to include the Jaguares in any future competition if a long haul flight is required.
@Bovidae said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@TeWaio said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I agree with @shark that the whole key to making it all work is Japan
I'm fairly convinced that Japan is the key to financial security for NZ and the other Pacific Island unions. The timing is perfect to build on their RWC success.
Are flights to Japan likely in the near future?
I don't see why not. Their confirmed case rate is 0.01% of their population, compared to New Zealand's 0.03%
The flight times to Tokyo and BA are similar so no reason not to include the Jaguares in any future competition if a long haul flight is required.
They're in the same time zone and bring money.
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@Bovidae said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@TeWaio said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I agree with @shark that the whole key to making it all work is Japan
I'm fairly convinced that Japan is the key to financial security for NZ and the other Pacific Island unions. The timing is perfect to build on their RWC success.
Are flights to Japan likely in the near future?
I don't see why not. Their confirmed case rate is 0.01% of their population, compared to New Zealand's 0.03%
The flight times to Tokyo and BA are similar so no reason not to include the Jaguares in any future competition if a long haul flight is required.
They're in the same time zone and bring money.
@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Bovidae said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@TeWaio said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I agree with @shark that the whole key to making it all work is Japan
I'm fairly convinced that Japan is the key to financial security for NZ and the other Pacific Island unions. The timing is perfect to build on their RWC success.
Are flights to Japan likely in the near future?
I don't see why not. Their confirmed case rate is 0.01% of their population, compared to New Zealand's 0.03%
The flight times to Tokyo and BA are similar so no reason not to include the Jaguares in any future competition if a long haul flight is required.
They're in the same time zone and bring money.
A fuck of a lot better than Arg, and out of this world when you compare to pie-in-the-sky idea of a PI team. Unless The Rock is goin to come with his millions, no way in the world can any of the other unions afford to subsidise a PI team
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This from the article below gives some numbers but not specific to SA.
New Zealand Rugby finalised its own five year deal with Sky in June after signing a conditional agreement in October 2014, which also covers the All Blacks inbound June test series and the national provincial championship.
Details of the deal have not been made public, but the way it works is the Sanzar partners get a pre-agreed share of the income they collectively receive for Super Rugby and the Rugby Championship with NZ Rugby pocketing the money attributed to its provincial competition and the inbound June test series.
It is understood the new deal, which runs from 2016 to 2020, represents an increase on the previous contract which ran through to the end of this year's World Cup.
That deal was reportedly worth $615 million, a 35 per cent increase on the preceding deal.
[link text](link url)https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/75201467/super-rugby-tv-rights-australia-deal-worth-293-million
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@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Godder said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Godder said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
For 2021, I think start with an ANZ tournament. Less likely to be disrupted by travel and pandemic issues, so there's more certainty that the competition will be completed.
Either 5 NZ & 3 Oz teams, or perhaps 6 & 4. Too many Oz teams just means they get stomped, which I enjoy but probably isn't conducive to garnering a following in Oz given their love of winners.
Double round robin, home and away, semis and a final. If the playoffs need to be bigger in a 10 team competition, go top 5, with the old league system.
Where does the money come from to pay the players with this model? Without the African TV money, we need something to fill the breach.
TV rights and probably a pared back cost structure for everyone.
Without SA, or Japan, the TV rights money is peanuts.
Can we have some proof of that? I cannot find the amount of the SA deal, NZR newest from sky has been guessed at. But nothing from SA. I'm not sure that they still bring in the biggest amount. The SA economy is fucked, maybe they used too, but it's it still the case?
@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Godder said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Godder said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
For 2021, I think start with an ANZ tournament. Less likely to be disrupted by travel and pandemic issues, so there's more certainty that the competition will be completed.
Either 5 NZ & 3 Oz teams, or perhaps 6 & 4. Too many Oz teams just means they get stomped, which I enjoy but probably isn't conducive to garnering a following in Oz given their love of winners.
Double round robin, home and away, semis and a final. If the playoffs need to be bigger in a 10 team competition, go top 5, with the old league system.
Where does the money come from to pay the players with this model? Without the African TV money, we need something to fill the breach.
TV rights and probably a pared back cost structure for everyone.
Without SA, or Japan, the TV rights money is peanuts.
Can we have some proof of that? I cannot find the amount of the SA deal, NZR newest from sky has been guessed at. But nothing from SA. I'm not sure that they still bring in the biggest amount. The SA economy is fucked, maybe they used too, but it's it still the case?
SA has a population of 59m. Straight away that's an imposing number vs our 5m and Australia's 25m; give or take, it's double the combined tally.
Even if you impose some racial stereotyping and consider the 'keen on rugby' population is the white portion, that's still 5.9m or there-abouts (9-10% of the population, depending on the source). But then add in a quantity of the coloured and black populations and you might get to a third of the population. That's a large potential TV viewership compared to rugby-mad NZ and the AFL/NRL/A League but far from rugby union mad Australian populace.
Don't try and tell me in any seriousness whatsover that losing SA doesn't create a massive money vacuum in SH TV rights. And don't try to bring the value of the rand into it because there's no way the deal would be done in the rand
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This from the article below gives some numbers but not specific to SA.
New Zealand Rugby finalised its own five year deal with Sky in June after signing a conditional agreement in October 2014, which also covers the All Blacks inbound June test series and the national provincial championship.
Details of the deal have not been made public, but the way it works is the Sanzar partners get a pre-agreed share of the income they collectively receive for Super Rugby and the Rugby Championship with NZ Rugby pocketing the money attributed to its provincial competition and the inbound June test series.
It is understood the new deal, which runs from 2016 to 2020, represents an increase on the previous contract which ran through to the end of this year's World Cup.
That deal was reportedly worth $615 million, a 35 per cent increase on the preceding deal.
[link text](link url)https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/75201467/super-rugby-tv-rights-australia-deal-worth-293-million
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@Chris I saw that headline and thought the the new Australian junta had already signed a TV deal.
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@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Godder said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Godder said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
For 2021, I think start with an ANZ tournament. Less likely to be disrupted by travel and pandemic issues, so there's more certainty that the competition will be completed.
Either 5 NZ & 3 Oz teams, or perhaps 6 & 4. Too many Oz teams just means they get stomped, which I enjoy but probably isn't conducive to garnering a following in Oz given their love of winners.
Double round robin, home and away, semis and a final. If the playoffs need to be bigger in a 10 team competition, go top 5, with the old league system.
Where does the money come from to pay the players with this model? Without the African TV money, we need something to fill the breach.
TV rights and probably a pared back cost structure for everyone.
Without SA, or Japan, the TV rights money is peanuts.
Can we have some proof of that? I cannot find the amount of the SA deal, NZR newest from sky has been guessed at. But nothing from SA. I'm not sure that they still bring in the biggest amount. The SA economy is fucked, maybe they used too, but it's it still the case?
SA has a population of 59m. Straight away that's an imposing number vs our 5m and Australia's 25m; give or take, it's double the combined tally.
Even if you impose some racial stereotyping and consider the 'keen on rugby' population is the white portion, that's still 5.9m or there-abouts (9-10% of the population, depending on the source). But then add in a quantity of the coloured and black populations and you might get to a third of the population. That's a large potential TV viewership compared to rugby-mad NZ and the AFL/NRL/A League but far from rugby union mad Australian populace.
Don't try and tell me in any seriousness whatsover that losing SA doesn't create a massive money vacuum in SH TV rights. And don't try to bring the value of the rand into it because there's no way the deal would be done in the rand
@shark I am not doubting there will be a loss in revenue, but there is no proof it will be a giant's portion of it. We just don't know and are re-hashing what used to be the case. Looking at the cost of air travel to/from SA, in the current climate, that is going to make a massive -prohibitive?- difference. Argentina is right out. I've said before a lot of the value is selling to international, non SANZAAR, nations - and there the NZ teams are a big draw. Everyone I know in the UK as rugby fans knows and likes watching SR - and normally the NZ teams esp the derbies.
