World Rugby Board elections
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@Crucial said in World Rugby Board elections:
This is a situation ripe for disruptive change.
How can you do that when WR 'own' rugby? Would a breakaway have to look like Packer's cricket in the 80s (I genuinely don't know what a breakaway would look like). Also, what happens with laws - when we get changes so the laws (and interpretations!) are different, how do you play cross-code games?
WR only survives if the RWC survives. It's their only source of income. The money from that is NH/Europe money at the moment ... but that may change if things go well.
Great conversation starter
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@Bovidae said in World Rugby Board elections:
Ireland and Wales could be about to join the Pichot train. A pity someone isn't running against Laporte.
There is absolutely no way the Celtic nations are not voting for Beaumont. Turkeys don’t vote for Xmas.
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@Billy-Tell said in World Rugby Board elections:
There is absolutely no way the Celtic nations are not voting for Beaumont. Turkeys don’t vote for Xmas.
Could well be a negotiating position, similar to 'league are interested'. Pity; would be good for WR if Pichot got there
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@nzzp said in World Rugby Board elections:
@Crucial said in World Rugby Board elections:
This is a situation ripe for disruptive change.
How can you do that when WR 'own' rugby? Would a breakaway have to look like Packer's cricket in the 80s (I genuinely don't know what a breakaway would look like). Also, what happens with laws - when we get changes so the laws (and interpretations!) are different, how do you play cross-code games?
WR only survives if the RWC survives. It's their only source of income. The money from that is NH/Europe money at the moment ... but that may change if things go well.
Great conversation starter
I have no idea what it looks like. I just think that if the NH 'big guys' continue to maintain the status quo with only lip service to the needs of other countries there will either be a coup to change the representational setup of WR or a breakaway of sorts.
What, for example, would happen if NZ, Australia, SA, ARG, US, Japan, and the PIs declared that they were going to go their own way and negotiate with RWC Ltd around participation?
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@Crucial said in World Rugby Board elections:
Depending on where the lines are drawn we could be heading for a period ripe for a split, or one where the SH Unions take control of their own destiny (and ignore aspects of WR to do so).
We have a strong group of countries with entirely different needs to the rest of the world. They are close geographically and by timezone and based in areas of high population.. The rest of the world is spread out and either don't have large economic populations or are still in an infancy stage with regard to rugby.
One group (despite money worries) will stick to the current formula because it suits them best and try and force their model onto those it doesn't suit.
COVID has created a hiatus in which many businesses have been able to pause and have a clear look at the future. There is an opportunity to change the wheels of the bus while it isn't moving.
This is a situation ripe for disruptive change.Good luck
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@Crucial said in World Rugby Board elections:
What, for example, would happen if NZ, Australia, SA, ARG, US, Japan, and the PIs declared that they were going to go their own way and negotiate with RWC Ltd around participation?
and Sri Lanka, Malaysia, Kenya, Canada, Madagascar, etc ...
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@MiketheSnow said in World Rugby Board elections:
@Crucial said in World Rugby Board elections:
Depending on where the lines are drawn we could be heading for a period ripe for a split, or one where the SH Unions take control of their own destiny (and ignore aspects of WR to do so).
We have a strong group of countries with entirely different needs to the rest of the world. They are close geographically and by timezone and based in areas of high population.. The rest of the world is spread out and either don't have large economic populations or are still in an infancy stage with regard to rugby.
One group (despite money worries) will stick to the current formula because it suits them best and try and force their model onto those it doesn't suit.
COVID has created a hiatus in which many businesses have been able to pause and have a clear look at the future. There is an opportunity to change the wheels of the bus while it isn't moving.
This is a situation ripe for disruptive change.Good luck
I guess my point is that if there is a time where there is a danger of upheaval for WR then that time is now, while unions that think that they aren't being heard are sitting back and having a close look at the future.
We can all see that post COVID things aren't going to be 'normal'. What the new normal looks like is up to the various parties. -
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@Tim yep, that was the article I saw in passing.
this is interesting
World Rugby elections, Update on Asia Rugby throws the weight of its continent behind challenger Agustín Pichot
World Rugby elections, Asia Rugby throws the weight of its continent behind challenger Agustín Pichot to become the next Chairman of World Rugby.
51 votes available at the table. The 6N look like they control 16 directly (5x3+Italy), while 28 unions in Asia (population over 4 Billion people) have 2 votes. SO should be a lock for Beaumont.
as @Crucial said, it's challenging times for the global nature of the sport. Democracy struggles when there are minority voices that don't feel like they get decent representation.
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Brent Impey:
“While we have great respect for Bill Beaumont as an individual, this has become an issue where there has been a lot of self-protection from existing players (northern unions) versus those of us, particularly the Sanzaar nations, who want to see the game grow. “That is why have supported him (Pichot).’’ -
@booboo said in World Rugby Board elections:
Love this from Impey.
Didn't see the Reason whinge piece but reckon you can get the gist from this response.
(Will change the thread title slightly.)
Actually, I think Reason made a decent point - he was asking how Bart Campbell hasn't got a conflict of interest.
He's just finished 7 years as Chair of the Melbourne Storm, apparently he's still the largest shareholder and a board member.
Bart Campbell to stand down as Storm Chairman
Bart Campbell today announced his departure as Melbourne Storm Chairman after seven years in the role, leading the Club to becoming one of the most successful and respected sporting teams in the country.
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World Rugby could reveal its next chairman as early as Sunday (NZ time) after incumbent Bill Beaumont and rival Agustin Pichot reportedly asked to bring the announcement forward. Voting closed on Friday and the announcement was originally to be made on May 12. -
@Chris-B said in World Rugby Board elections:
@booboo said in World Rugby Board elections:
Love this from Impey.
Didn't see the Reason whinge piece but reckon you can get the gist from this response.
(Will change the thread title slightly.)
Actually, I think Reason made a decent point - he was asking how Bart Campbell hasn't got a conflict of interest.
He's just finished 7 years as Chair of the Melbourne Storm, apparently he's still the largest shareholder and a board member.
Bart Campbell to stand down as Storm Chairman
Bart Campbell today announced his departure as Melbourne Storm Chairman after seven years in the role, leading the Club to becoming one of the most successful and respected sporting teams in the country.
He is shit stirring because instead of simply asking NZR if that potential conflict was declared he forged ahead with his crayons and wrote a load of piffle, in effect hinting that they were either hiding something or too stupid to realise.
He is a fucktard click baiter and it astounds me that the papers can cry that we may lose journalism under Covid but still 'print' this type of tripe. -
Beaumount 28 -23. Some hard decisions need to be made by the NZRU, the average NH punter would rub their hands with glee if we let them get their way and the downstream effect is that Rugby in this country is overtaken by League, soccer and basketball due to declining interest.
Would rather we really bit the bullet and did something drastic. Given the option between a slow death or fusing rugby codes in this country and Aus, I would take the latter. I know I'm going to take shit for this but things have and will always evolve. At least the money in the NRL rivals any NH League.
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@mofitzy_ said in World Rugby Board elections:
Beaumount 28 -23. Some hard decisions need to be made by the NZRU, the average NH punter would rub their hands with glee if we let them get their way and the downstream effect is that Rugby in this country is overtaken by League, soccer and basketball due to declining interest.
Would rather we really bit the bullet and did something drastic. Given the option between a slow death or fusing rugby codes in this country and Aus, I would take the latter. I know I'm going to take shit for this but things have and will always evolve. At least the money in the NRL rivals any NH League.
League's on its last legs in the UK. Very little interest from sponsors.
The Rugby Football League avoided folding yesterday beacuse of a £16 million government bailout. Probably still isn't enough.
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@sparky
Never mentioned UK League, they are the poor cousin.Too many question marks about Pichot's other interests.
The sustainability of SH rugby and the growth of the game?
Bill and Bernard will continue the slow death of the game outside the home nations and France.
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@mofitzy_ said in World Rugby Board elections:
@sparky
Never mentioned UK League, they are the poor cousin.Too many question marks about Pichot's other interests.
The sustainability of SH rugby and the growth of the game?
Bill and Bernard will continue the slow death of the game outside the home nations and France.
Whilst I share your desire for growth of the game and certainly for the sustainability of SH rugby, I do wonder if some lessons that should have been learned have not been.
Rugby is the No 1 sport in NZ and maybe Wales and that's about it. Everywhere else it is playing second fiddle to another sport (usually soccer). What this means is that there is not an infinite market for rugby and managing a Union's expectations is a difficult thing. Up here in Europe we have a thriving domestic game, pan European game and International game - BTW I am not saying that it is all individually financially sound but that is another issue - and the constant here is the fight between the factions of less is more or more is more. With the limited market, protecting your product is extremely important, as is protecting your assets. In both cases there is a strong argument for the less is more POV. In the SH we have seen the downgrading of the domestic competitions in favour of Super Rugby with the swelling of same over the years from 10 to, at one time 18. At the same time the Tri Nations has expanded greatly and yet it is the SH, in particular NZ and Aus that are really feeling the pinch.
And the call is now for more "elite" rugby. I would ask if this is sustainable let alone a growth path. I see the reluctance to embrace the fairly radical change as not wishing to kill off what is there rather than any form of protectionism. For sure we need to nurture the game in areas that are disadvantaged in one way or another and the viability rugby in Aus and NZ MUST be ensured but to my mind a much more measured approach is the more sustainable way forward.
Where I do see an issue of the NH causing world-wide problems is the club game hoovering up imported players and this is to the detriment of both the NH and SH. The additional fact that this is financially unsustainable is mind boggling.
Solution? Fuck knows.
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@Catogrande said in World Rugby Board elections:
In both cases there is a strong argument for the less is more POV. In the SH we have seen the downgrading of the domestic competitions in favour of Super Rugby with the swelling of same over the years from 10 to, at one time 18. At the same time the Tri Nations has expanded greatly and yet it is the SH, in particular NZ and Aus that are really feeling the pinch.
Just a couple of comments.
In the NH you 'had' a thriving domestic comp. Who knows what that will look like in the recession, and how many overseas players will be attracted to it if the money dries up. Your point about Rugby being second sport in most of the world was a good one - administrators don't seem to think they are really competing with anyone else but each other. Grow the game, and grow the pie. Growth comes from decent laws, marketable product and a culture around the game people want to be part of (yes, I'm idealistic and optimistic).
Secondly, couldn't agree more on 'less is more'. dragged out some info from 1997;
Super started on 28 Feb. 11 games, semis, final. Finished on 31 May.
ABs started on 14 June, and played 12 games, finishing 6 December (with a decent break from Aug-Nov).
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Can't find anything on NPC, but from memory it only ran outside the international window. Personally, that's a schedule I can get behind - an offseason of a couple of months for international players (Dec/Jan), cricket in it's proper place, and meaningful high quality games of footy.
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1997 Super Rugby
