Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain
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@Chris-B said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
Big test will be playing the Jaapies. They've found an opposite formula of playing a big pack with extra muscle on the bench to grind teams down and won a RWC doing it.
I think we'll crush them.
They dragged in a huge number of stars from the NH, and I don't think they will be there this year.
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@nzzp i thought we were 2nd best for most of that South Africa game actually...
I'm not saying we are about to slide down the rankings, but you said destroy. I don't think we have the talent to just rock up and destroy the world champs.
@mariner4life said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@nzzp i thought we were 2nd best for most of that South Africa game actually...
we were second best all of the 2015 game, too. That's kind of the ABs - if you're playing well, you can dominate them physically, but there's a few genius sparks of brilliance that turn the game. That, and our forwards don't get picked on sheer size and physicality, but resilience and skillsets as well.
Fair cop on the 'destroy', but I don't think we'll go backwards that much, and I do think SA will. Don't forget we get DMac back, so have to squeeze BB, RM and DM into two positions...
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I'm going to get crucified for this but
Ardie Savea is a luxury player at test level against most sides. He's dynamic, good on the run after contact on the fringes, and not bad over the ball. He'll look fantastic in loose games against Australia with their ordinary pack, or teams we are just better than.
Unfortunately test rugby is at least 60 minutes of trench warfare. Mainly played between the 22s, or if it gets close to the line, in close to the ruck. It's aerial kicks, and trying to breach the gain line through force. A Savea is not suited to that game style. S Cane is perfectly suited to it.
A Savea off the bench is a great use of resources, and shouldn't be viewed as a slight. S Cane should start every big test he is available for, and that makes him perfect captaincy material
@mariner4life said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
I'm going to get crucified for this but
Ardie Savea is a luxury player at test level against most sides. He's dynamic, good on the run after contact on the fringes, and not bad over the ball. He'll look fantastic in loose games against Australia with their ordinary pack, or teams we are just better than.
Unfortunately test rugby is at least 60 minutes of trench warfare. Mainly played between the 22s, or if it gets close to the line, in close to the ruck. It's aerial kicks, and trying to breach the gain line through force. A Savea is not suited to that game style. S Cane is perfectly suited to it.
A Savea off the bench is a great use of resources, and shouldn't be viewed as a slight. S Cane should start every big test he is available for, and that makes him perfect captaincy material
Look how well we did in the loose with Same Cane and no Ardie last year RC against the Boks.... And who got us back in striking distance in Welly the year before, and won us the game away. Ardie is fine against the Boks, he was MVP against them so often recently (in fact MVP for the ABs heaps recently), that is just stereotyping not looking at those matches. I encourage a re- watch. If Ardie was available in the RC 19 and played full matches the year before we could be looking at better results. He's totally able to play at 100MPH for the full 80.
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Would have loved to see Dane Coles as AB skipper as he is such a focused and intense player and an inspirational captain, but age and some ill-discipline count against him.
Sam Cane, super reliable, great team man and regularly tops tackle count, also seems to give at least a 7/10 performance every match. It was madness to leave him out of the starting XV for the 2019 semi.
Sam Whitelock was a great AB but faded somewhat in 2018 and 2019, didn't perform especially were at RWC. Seemed tired after long Crusaders season. The OE might freshen him up. Perhaps he might benefit from a move to another Super Franchise?
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Would have loved to see Dane Coles as AB skipper as he is such a focused and intense player and an inspirational captain, but age and some ill-discipline count against him.
Sam Cane, super reliable, great team man and regularly tops tackle count, also seems to give at least a 7/10 performance every match. It was madness to leave him out of the starting XV for the 2019 semi.
Sam Whitelock was a great AB but faded somewhat in 2018 and 2019, didn't perform especially were at RWC. Seemed tired after long Crusaders season. The OE might freshen him up. Perhaps he might benefit from a move to another Super Franchise?
@sparky said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
Would have loved to see Dane Coles as AB skipper as he is such a focused and intense player and an inspirational captain, but age and some ill-discipline count against him.
Sam Cane, super reliable, great team man and regularly tops tackle count, also seems to give at least a 7/10 performance every match. It was madness to leave him out of the starting XV for the 2019 semi.
Sam Whitelock was a great AB but faded somewhat in 2018 and 2019, didn't perform especially were at RWC. Seemed tired after long Crusaders season. The OE might freshen him up. Perhaps he might benefit from a move to another Super Franchise?
We don't want him at the Canes. WAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY too tall and good, in fact completely against the Canes ethos of playing short journeymen dating back to Fish Tito and Fluke Andrews.
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@sparky said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
Would have loved to see Dane Coles as AB skipper as he is such a focused and intense player and an inspirational captain, but age and some ill-discipline count against him.
Sam Cane, super reliable, great team man and regularly tops tackle count, also seems to give at least a 7/10 performance every match. It was madness to leave him out of the starting XV for the 2019 semi.
Sam Whitelock was a great AB but faded somewhat in 2018 and 2019, didn't perform especially were at RWC. Seemed tired after long Crusaders season. The OE might freshen him up. Perhaps he might benefit from a move to another Super Franchise?
We don't want him at the Canes. WAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY too tall and good, in fact completely against the Canes ethos of playing short journeymen dating back to Fish Tito and Fluke Andrews.
@MN5 I actually thought the Fish and Andrews were tall compared with your recent offerings? I mean they were both taller than 1.96m at least right?
On Ardie, I think he's up to test rugby, even though I agree with @mariner4life's post about Cane. I'm happy for the two of them to play together, it was actually working pretty well before Hansen bottled it for the England test. It's good to have contrasting styles. It just depends on who we get for the other position. I also think that Ardie coming off the bench, like he used to is great from a tactical point of view. Just don't ever bench the guy who can blunt an early onslaught the most effectively.
Anyway, isn't Ardie going to be playing for the Storm/Roosters this time next year?
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@mariner4life said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@nzzp considering the last meaningful game they played they got absolutely humped, is it really pessimism?
Nah. You're ignoring us destroying Ireland, and beating a very very good SA side.
I think that the squad will be better this year, BBBR aside (and actually he wasn't great in the RWC).
Read was on his last legs. BSmith was cooked. Crotty was made of glass.By comparison, who do SA lose from their squad? @SidBarret may have an opinon here, but they're not going to have their northern stars, who were super influential I think.
a quick google gives me this - 7 were playing NH rugby, and I think others have retired or moved north. I haven't kept up to date, but looks bigger losses than us (Kolbe, Faf, Louw, Mostert, leRoux in particular).
Forwards (17)
Schalk Brits (Bulls), Lood de Jager (Bulls), Pieter-Steph du Toit (Stormers), Eben Etzebeth (Stormers), Steven Kitshoff (Stormers), Vincent Koch (Saracens, England), Siya Kolisi (captain, Stormers),
Francois Louw (Bath, England), Frans Malherbe (Stormers), Malcolm Marx (Lions), Bongi Mbonambi (Stormers), Tendai Mtawarira (Sharks),Franco Mostert (Gloucester, England), Trevor Nyakane (Bulls), Kwagga Smith (Lions), RG Snyman (Bulls), Duane Vermeulen (Bulls)Backs (14)
Lukhanyo Am (Sharks), Damian de Allende (Stormers),
Faf de Klerk (Sale Sharks, England), Warrick Gelant (Bulls), Elton Jantjies (Lions), Herschel Jantjies (Stormers),Cheslin Kolbe (Toulouse, France), Jesse Kriel (Bulls), Makazole Mapimpi (Sharks), S'bu Nkosi (Sharks),Willie le Roux (Toyota Verblitz, Japan), Handre Pollard (Bulls), Cobus Reinach (Northampton Saints, England), Frans Steyn (Montpellier, France) -
I made the mistake of reading comments on the All Blacks Facebook announcement. Anyone labouring under the belief New Zealanders are knowledgeable about rugby should read those. We're geniuses in comparison.
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@nzzp Just wondering why SA wouldn't have their Northern Hemisphere stars to pick from? Have they changed their selection policy or are you basing this on the potential impact of Covid?
@akan004 said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@nzzp Just wondering why SA wouldn't have their Northern Hemisphere starts to pick from? Have they changed their selection policy or are you basing this on the potential impact of Covid?
I may be wrong, but my understanding was that both SA and Aus selected a bunch of players out of the NH specifically for the RWC.
If they don't you run into seasonal issues; travel, conditioning, etc. But hey - you coudl be right; we may get those players selected again soon. Great for international rugby, not so good for the players, terrible for clubs
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I made the mistake of reading comments on the All Blacks Facebook announcement. Anyone labouring under the belief New Zealanders are knowledgeable about rugby should read those. We're geniuses in comparison.
@antipodean said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
I made the mistake of reading comments on the All Blacks Facebook announcement. Anyone labouring under the belief New Zealanders are knowledgeable about rugby should read those. We're geniuses in comparison.
What is the mood there?
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@akan004 said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@nzzp Just wondering why SA wouldn't have their Northern Hemisphere starts to pick from? Have they changed their selection policy or are you basing this on the potential impact of Covid?
I may be wrong, but my understanding was that both SA and Aus selected a bunch of players out of the NH specifically for the RWC.
If they don't you run into seasonal issues; travel, conditioning, etc. But hey - you coudl be right; we may get those players selected again soon. Great for international rugby, not so good for the players, terrible for clubs
@nzzp said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@akan004 said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@nzzp Just wondering why SA wouldn't have their Northern Hemisphere starts to pick from? Have they changed their selection policy or are you basing this on the potential impact of Covid?
I may be wrong, but my understanding was that both SA and Aus selected a bunch of players out of the NH specifically for the RWC.
If they don't you run into seasonal issues; travel, conditioning, etc. But hey - you coudl be right; we may get those players selected again soon. Great for international rugby, not so good for the players, terrible for clubs
Australia didn't, but are reviewing the Giteau rule (lower caps minimum or get rid), SA got rid of the no overseas limit totally.
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I made the mistake of reading comments on the All Blacks Facebook announcement. Anyone labouring under the belief New Zealanders are knowledgeable about rugby should read those. We're geniuses in comparison.
@antipodean said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
I made the mistake of reading comments on the All Blacks Facebook announcement. Anyone labouring under the belief New Zealanders are knowledgeable about rugby should read those. We're geniuses in comparison.
Yeah I read a few as well.
Cieran Reid was a much better captain than Sam Kane will ever be apparently.......
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@antipodean said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
I made the mistake of reading comments on the All Blacks Facebook announcement. Anyone labouring under the belief New Zealanders are knowledgeable about rugby should read those. We're geniuses in comparison.
Yeah I read a few as well.
Cieran Reid was a much better captain than Sam Kane will ever be apparently.......
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@MN5 said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
Cieran Reid was a much better captain than Sam Kane will ever be apparently.......
Isn't Kane a black cap?
@nzzp said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@MN5 said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
Cieran Reid was a much better captain than Sam Kane will ever be apparently.......
Isn't Kane a black cap?
Indeed he is but I'm deeply offended at the 25% correct spelling rate of this All Black fan......
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@antipodean said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
I made the mistake of reading comments on the All Blacks Facebook announcement. Anyone labouring under the belief New Zealanders are knowledgeable about rugby should read those. We're geniuses in comparison.
What is the mood there?
@canefan said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@antipodean said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
I made the mistake of reading comments on the All Blacks Facebook announcement. Anyone labouring under the belief New Zealanders are knowledgeable about rugby should read those. We're geniuses in comparison.
What is the mood there?
Mostly supportive, but too may complaining that he's not the best flanker we have, that he's not smart enough to be captain. Then there's those upset that despite no rugby at the moment, they've decided to announce him as captain.
Just too many retards.
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@canefan said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@antipodean said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
I made the mistake of reading comments on the All Blacks Facebook announcement. Anyone labouring under the belief New Zealanders are knowledgeable about rugby should read those. We're geniuses in comparison.
What is the mood there?
Mostly supportive, but too may complaining that he's not the best flanker we have, that he's not smart enough to be captain. Then there's those upset that despite no rugby at the moment, they've decided to announce him as captain.
Just too many retards.
@antipodean said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@canefan said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@antipodean said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
I made the mistake of reading comments on the All Blacks Facebook announcement. Anyone labouring under the belief New Zealanders are knowledgeable about rugby should read those. We're geniuses in comparison.
What is the mood there?
Mostly supportive, but too may complaining that he's not the best flanker we have, that he's not smart enough to be captain. Then there's those upset that despite no rugby at the moment, they've decided to announce him as captain.
Just too many retards.
I'll give that a wide berth then
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Really sucks we don't have any AB rugby to look forward to right now.
Cane is a good choice, I've always favoured him over Whitelock. He has a bit of McCaw about him with his sheer determination that would inspire the others.
On Ardie - I really like him at 8 and would be happy with 6. Big Bopper / 7. Cane / 8. Ardie.
I actually think Ardie will go better at 8 than Read did for his last couple of seasons. He's explosive with ball in hand and can play a wider game there while our 6/7 keep it tight - that worked perfectly when Read was in his prime.
I don't think he should play 6 and he should never in a thousand years have started at 7 over Cane against a team whose only fucking plan of attack was to beat us up in the forwards. Jesus Christ that was some braindead shit from the coaches.
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Another reminder why I avoid FB.
I assume Richard Knowler had to rewrite his latest article last night.
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@Bovidae said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
Another reminder why I avoid FB.
I assume Richard Knowler had to rewrite his latest article last night.
And Hamish Bidwell is going to lose his shit ...
@Marty said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@Bovidae said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
Another reminder why I avoid FB.
I assume Richard Knowler had to rewrite his latest article last night.
And Hamish Bidwell is going to lose his shit ...
Excellent!
