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@Stargazer said in World Rugby Board elections:
@voodoo I assume @Bones is referring to the Olympic 7s loophole. It's possible to play for another country, but it's not easy. For example, they must have a passport of the new country they wish to represent, participate in an "Olympic event" (defined by WR Schedule 2) and respect a stand-down period of 3 years.
See particularly Regulations 8.7 and 8.12
Ahh, thanks. Pretty limited loophole though
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@mariner4life said in World Rugby Board elections:
The only way to ever solve this is to make sure you get paid the same whether you play a test for Samoa or for England. Then you can choose to play for the country where you live, and who taught you to play rugby, or the country where your parents were born.
And remove central funding by the unions of domestic contracts, and the conditions they put on it.
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@voodoo said in World Rugby Board elections:
@Stargazer said in World Rugby Board elections:
@voodoo I assume @Bones is referring to the Olympic 7s loophole. It's possible to play for another country, but it's not easy. For example, they must have a passport of the new country they wish to represent, participate in an "Olympic event" (defined by WR Schedule 2) and respect a stand-down period of 3 years.
See particularly Regulations 8.7 and 8.12
Ahh, thanks. Pretty limited loophole though
Hah, as opposed to giving up rugby altogether?
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@Bones said in World Rugby Board elections:
@voodoo said in World Rugby Board elections:
@Stargazer said in World Rugby Board elections:
@voodoo I assume @Bones is referring to the Olympic 7s loophole. It's possible to play for another country, but it's not easy. For example, they must have a passport of the new country they wish to represent, participate in an "Olympic event" (defined by WR Schedule 2) and respect a stand-down period of 3 years.
See particularly Regulations 8.7 and 8.12
Ahh, thanks. Pretty limited loophole though
Hah, as opposed to giving up rugby altogether?
Well its something, sure , but now you're planning your retirement carefully around a 4yr cycle, obvs not as easy.
I just don't get what problem we are solving for by banning these guys from going home and representing another country that they choose to make home.
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@voodoo look, your proposal is fine, it would be entirely unused by any "T2" nation. Around about zero PIs are going to "head home" and end up representing another country years later after playing amateur club rugby in the islands. It's pointless in that regard.
So basically all it becomes is another tool to entice young project players to richer nations. One which fits perfectly with club greed to entice a player to turn their back on their T2 country in the hope they might get more money in 5 years.
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@Bones said in World Rugby Board elections:
@voodoo look, your proposal is fine, it would be entirely unused by any "T2" nation. Around about zero PIs are going to "head home" and end up representing another country years later after playing amateur club rugby in the islands. It's pointless in that regard.
So basically all it becomes is another tool to entice young project players to richer nations. One which fits perfectly with club greed to entice a player to turn their back on their T2 country in the hope they might get more money in 5 years.
That's BS, there are plenty enough incentives to get young PI kids out at the moment, this wouldn't do a damn thing to increase the flow
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@Bones said in World Rugby Board elections:
@voodoo look, your proposal is fine, it would be entirely unused by any "T2" nation. Around about zero PIs are going to "head home" and end up representing another country years later after playing amateur club rugby in the islands. It's pointless in that regard.
So basically all it becomes is another tool to entice young project players to richer nations. One which fits perfectly with club greed to entice a player to turn their back on their T2 country in the hope they might get more money in 5 years.
And look, to be clear, I don't have a proposal. I don't have a set of guidelines that I'd like to see in place.
But I genuinely don't understand why we should stop someone playing for a 2nd country if they choose to make that country their home.
I really don't get it
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@voodoo said in World Rugby Board elections:
@Bones said in World Rugby Board elections:
@voodoo look, your proposal is fine, it would be entirely unused by any "T2" nation. Around about zero PIs are going to "head home" and end up representing another country years later after playing amateur club rugby in the islands. It's pointless in that regard.
So basically all it becomes is another tool to entice young project players to richer nations. One which fits perfectly with club greed to entice a player to turn their back on their T2 country in the hope they might get more money in 5 years.
And look, to be clear, I don't have a proposal. I don't have a set of guidelines that I'd like to see in place.
But I genuinely don't understand why we should stop someone playing for a 2nd country if they choose to make that country their home.
How long is it their home for? The year RWC squads are announced?
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@voodoo said in World Rugby Board elections:
they choose to make that country their home.
why do you keep saying this. Approximately zero players will head back and actually live in the islands.
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@voodoo said in World Rugby Board elections:
@Bones said in World Rugby Board elections:
@voodoo look, your proposal is fine, it would be entirely unused by any "T2" nation. Around about zero PIs are going to "head home" and end up representing another country years later after playing amateur club rugby in the islands. It's pointless in that regard.
So basically all it becomes is another tool to entice young project players to richer nations. One which fits perfectly with club greed to entice a player to turn their back on their T2 country in the hope they might get more money in 5 years.
And look, to be clear, I don't have a proposal. I don't have a set of guidelines that I'd like to see in place.
But I genuinely don't understand why we should stop someone playing for a 2nd country if they choose to make that country their home.
I really don't get it
I'm gobsmacked you think project players are a good idea, but there you go.
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@antipodean said in World Rugby Board elections:
@voodoo said in World Rugby Board elections:
@Bones said in World Rugby Board elections:
@voodoo look, your proposal is fine, it would be entirely unused by any "T2" nation. Around about zero PIs are going to "head home" and end up representing another country years later after playing amateur club rugby in the islands. It's pointless in that regard.
So basically all it becomes is another tool to entice young project players to richer nations. One which fits perfectly with club greed to entice a player to turn their back on their T2 country in the hope they might get more money in 5 years.
And look, to be clear, I don't have a proposal. I don't have a set of guidelines that I'd like to see in place.
But I genuinely don't understand why we should stop someone playing for a 2nd country if they choose to make that country their home.
How long is it their home for? The year RWC squads are announced?
Again, I don't have a proposal for you clearly it should be meaningful though. If I played 2 tests for NZ, then marry a Scot and live there for the rest of my life, it feels right that I should have the option to represent them at footy outside the Olympics
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@mariner4life said in World Rugby Board elections:
@voodoo said in World Rugby Board elections:
they choose to make that country their home.
why do you keep saying this. Approximately zero players will head back and actually live in the islands.
Then why have a rule stopping them? What are you worried about?
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@voodoo said in World Rugby Board elections:
@mariner4life said in World Rugby Board elections:
@voodoo said in World Rugby Board elections:
they choose to make that country their home.
why do you keep saying this. Approximately zero players will head back and actually live in the islands.
Then why have a rule stopping them? What are you worried about?
The fucken players going the other way! For money!
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@Bones said in World Rugby Board elections:
@voodoo said in World Rugby Board elections:
@mariner4life said in World Rugby Board elections:
@voodoo said in World Rugby Board elections:
they choose to make that country their home.
why do you keep saying this. Approximately zero players will head back and actually live in the islands.
Then why have a rule stopping them? What are you worried about?
The fucken players going the other way! For money!
absolutely this.
Exporters of talent losing players for their prime years because they are getting a bigger pay day elsewhere, knowing they can go the other way no worries later on. when they are old, and finished.
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@mariner4life it's a great idea for NZ, Aus, the home nations and France. It's a shit idea for the PIs, Georgia, Uruguay, Canada and probably even Argentina.
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@voodoo said in World Rugby Board elections:
@antipodean said in World Rugby Board elections:
@voodoo said in World Rugby Board elections:
@Bones said in World Rugby Board elections:
@voodoo look, your proposal is fine, it would be entirely unused by any "T2" nation. Around about zero PIs are going to "head home" and end up representing another country years later after playing amateur club rugby in the islands. It's pointless in that regard.
So basically all it becomes is another tool to entice young project players to richer nations. One which fits perfectly with club greed to entice a player to turn their back on their T2 country in the hope they might get more money in 5 years.
And look, to be clear, I don't have a proposal. I don't have a set of guidelines that I'd like to see in place.
But I genuinely don't understand why we should stop someone playing for a 2nd country if they choose to make that country their home.
How long is it their home for? The year RWC squads are announced?
Again, I don't have a proposal for you clearly it should be meaningful though. If I played 2 tests for NZ, then marry a Scot and live there for the rest of my life, it feels right that I should have the option to represent them at footy outside the Olympics
My response would be' playing representative rugby is a privilege. Also
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I think there are two parts to this conversation.
For me, if you travel to another country as a professional footballer (or as an academy member), residency shouldn't count. You're ineligible.
Now, obviously that's a bit too strict, but that's where the line should roughly be.
If you happen to have dual/multiple citizenship or moved when you were young for non rugby reasons, there are strict stand down periods which must be observed (these should be the same as the Olympics to make it easy).
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@mariner4life said in World Rugby Board elections:
The only way to ever solve this is to make sure you get paid the same whether you play a test for Samoa or for England. Then you can choose to play for the country where you live, and who taught you to play rugby, or the country where your parents were born.
Agree in principle. The downside is that the NH clubs will have far too much power and the international game may well be downgraded.
But it's bullshit that when England play Fiji at Twickenham, the England players get 20-30k for the match, whilst the Fiji players get a couple of hundred.
