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  • TimT Tim

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12332861

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    @Tim paywall...

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      Joe Marchant may not see out the Super Rugby Aotearoa competition but as the sole Englishman set to be playing professional rugby in the near future, he is intent on flying the flag before returning home.

      Beauden Barrett's maiden outing for the Blues against the Hurricanes in Auckland on Sunday, June 14, will naturally capture near all attention - the All Blacks playmaker notching a casual club record (4.12 seconds) in the Bronco test on his first day back sure signalled his readiness.

      Marchant's presence on these shores promises to garner plenty of interest from the other side of the globe, too.

      While New Zealand begins preparations for Super Rugby's local return in the form of the 10-week local derby competition, rugby in Europe remains off the table for the short-term. Locals in London have only recently been permitted to meet one person outside their household at a time.

      New Zealand's 21 confirmed coronavirus deaths certainly compares favourably to England who has over 27,000.

      "I've spoken to a few of the rugby boys back home and they want to get into it but with the rates of people who have got the virus in England and how serious everything is it's been difficult to get on top of it," Marchant says with a healthy dose of perspective as the five New Zealand teams return to training under strict protocols this week.

      "It's a lot different to here – there's hardly any cases compared to back home where there's hundreds of deaths each day.

      "I definitely didn't think this whole experience would get cut short but to be able to be back playing before the rest of the world will be pretty awesome."

      Before the coronavirus took hold in New Zealand, Marchant's elusiveness, quick feet and frequent touches impressed the Blues. He scored three tries in six outings after switching from midfield to the wing opposite enticing prospect Mark Telea.

      In the first transfer of the formal arrangement with NZ Rugby, Harlequins approved a one season sabbatical so Marchant could expand his skills in Super Rugby's faster attacking environment – a complete contrast to the largely defence-dominated matches often played on stodgy pitches in the middle of the English winter.

      With the season here suspended and then reshaped to a domestic format, the 23-year-old is now left with an uncertain future in which he may only play three more games for the Blues.

      "I'm still not entirely sure what's happening with it all to be honest. At the moment I'm staying for the start of the competition here, but it will all depend on what happens with Quins and the rest of the Premiership season back home.

      "My contract starts back up at Quins on July 1st so I'm going to see how it all works, take everything into consideration and go from there.

      "I've loved it here and want to try and get a few more games in but Quins have been so amazing for letting me come out so if they do get up and running being able to play for both teams in the same season would be a good thing.

      "If they do finish the Premiership off, which is what they're planning to do, it will be nice to have played the majority of the season here and then go back and carry on playing in England."

      Marchant has kept a close eye on the blanket 25 per cent player wage cuts and imminent changes to the English salary cap, with proposals tabled to scrap the marquee salary exemption that could significantly drop the overall funding model and impact high-profile New Zealand imports.

      "With going back there soon I wanted to keep on top of it. I don't think it'll change things too much. Everyone will be in the same mindset of trying to win the Premiership. Yeah, squads might be a bit different, but everyone will still be driving for the same thing."

      Marchant's short-term focus is, however, on a return for the Blues which he knows will be keenly viewed by many rugby-starved lovers throughout Europe.

      "I'll have to do something won't I? Now this is going to be the only rugby on it'll be nice they'll be able to watch. There will be a reason for my family and friends to get up early in the morning rather than just being in lockdown.

      "I absolutely can't wait to be honest. All three games we played against the other New Zealand teams were great. Hopefully going into this tournament we can carry on the form we had before the lockdown and crack on.

      "It feels like ages but I'm just so glad we can get back to training and playing again.

      "I feel like I've learnt a lot. Coming here was an experience and about development so hopefully I can bring a lot back to the English game. I knew it was going to be tough and fast and it was a bit harder than I thought it would be."

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      • DuluthD Duluth

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        @Duluth who was that just behind Beaudy? Was that Ruru or Nock (I just caught a glimpse)

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        • nzzpN nzzp

          @Duluth who was that just behind Beaudy? Was that Ruru or Nock (I just caught a glimpse)

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          @nzzp said in Blues 2020:

          @Duluth who was that just behind Beaudy? Was that Ruru or Nock (I just caught a glimpse)

          Looks like Ruru. Wow, only 2-3 secs behind Barrett

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          • DuluthD Duluth

            @nzzp said in Blues 2020:

            @Duluth who was that just behind Beaudy? Was that Ruru or Nock (I just caught a glimpse)

            Looks like Ruru. Wow, only 2-3 secs behind Barrett

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            @Duluth yeah was impressive

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              given the nature of that test, i would expect halfbacks to be at the pointy end, with inside backs just behind.

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              • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                given the nature of that test, i would expect halfbacks to be at the pointy end, with inside backs just behind.

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                @mariner4life good call. Small, light, fast dudes will crush it with all the turning and acceleration

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                • nzzpN nzzp

                  @mariner4life good call. Small, light, fast dudes will crush it with all the turning and acceleration

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                  @nzzp not just that, but the specific fitness demands so the positions will dictate how they perform.

                  Halfbacks have long, sustained efforts in a game, with inside backs being much the same. Outside backs require explosive efforts followed by recovery.

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                    I think there was a Chiefs one posted online a couple of years back. Pretty sure DMac came in at the mid fours and Brodie closer to 5 which is pretty impressive for a big fulla.

                    Found it

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                      @mariner4life said in Blues 2020:

                      given the nature of that test, i would expect halfbacks to be at the pointy end, with inside backs just behind.

                      Some loosies too

                      Crusaders 2019 results:

                      Bryn Hall 4.27
                      Ethan Blackadder 4.34
                      Tom Christie 4.36
                      David Havili 4.39
                      Mitch Drummond 4.39
                      Brett Cameron 4.39
                      Braydon Ennor 4.40
                      Jack Goodhue 4.40
                      Tom Sanders 4.40
                      Tim Bateman 4.42
                      Ere Enari 4.42
                      Will Jordan 4.45
                      Sevu Reece 4.45
                      Richie Mo'unga 4.45
                      Mitch Hunt 4.45
                      Scott Barrett 4.45
                      Ryan Crotty 4.46
                      George Bridge 4.47
                      Codie Taylor 4.47
                      Ngane Punivai 4.48
                      Leicester Faingaanuku 4.49
                      Billy Harmon 4.50
                      Ben Funnell 4.53
                      Whetukamokamo Douglas 4.55
                      Mitch Dunshea 4.56
                      Quinten Strange 5.09
                      Kieran Read 5.13
                      Michael Alaalatoa 5.15
                      Manasa Mataele 5.17
                      Joe Moody 5.21
                      Isileli Tu'ungafasi 5.29

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                      • DuluthD Duluth

                        @mariner4life said in Blues 2020:

                        given the nature of that test, i would expect halfbacks to be at the pointy end, with inside backs just behind.

                        Some loosies too

                        Crusaders 2019 results:

                        Bryn Hall 4.27
                        Ethan Blackadder 4.34
                        Tom Christie 4.36
                        David Havili 4.39
                        Mitch Drummond 4.39
                        Brett Cameron 4.39
                        Braydon Ennor 4.40
                        Jack Goodhue 4.40
                        Tom Sanders 4.40
                        Tim Bateman 4.42
                        Ere Enari 4.42
                        Will Jordan 4.45
                        Sevu Reece 4.45
                        Richie Mo'unga 4.45
                        Mitch Hunt 4.45
                        Scott Barrett 4.45
                        Ryan Crotty 4.46
                        George Bridge 4.47
                        Codie Taylor 4.47
                        Ngane Punivai 4.48
                        Leicester Faingaanuku 4.49
                        Billy Harmon 4.50
                        Ben Funnell 4.53
                        Whetukamokamo Douglas 4.55
                        Mitch Dunshea 4.56
                        Quinten Strange 5.09
                        Kieran Read 5.13
                        Michael Alaalatoa 5.15
                        Manasa Mataele 5.17
                        Joe Moody 5.21
                        Isileli Tu'ungafasi 5.29

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                        @Duluth yea, i was talking about backs only. Definitely the workhorse loosies, as opposed to the power loosies.

                        Locks would go well as well i would have thought, slightly hampered by the physics of turning big frames around

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                          Does anyone know if Akira finished?
                          Or did he run up near the cone and stand back waiting 😉

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                          • CrucialC Crucial

                            Does anyone know if Akira finished?
                            Or did he run up near the cone and stand back waiting 😉

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                            @Crucial said in Blues 2020:

                            Does anyone know if Akira finished?
                            Or did he run up near the cone and stand back waiting 😉

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                            • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                              @Crucial said in Blues 2020:

                              Does anyone know if Akira finished?
                              Or did he run up near the cone and stand back waiting 😉

                              alt text

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                              @mariner4life said in Blues 2020:

                              @Crucial said in Blues 2020:

                              Does anyone know if Akira finished?
                              Or did he run up near the cone and stand back waiting 😉

                              alt text

                              alt text

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                                Some more comments on bronco times:

                                https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/121559074/super-rugby-whos-the-fastest-of-them-all-how-beauden-barretts-record-time-stacks-up

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                                  I think it's good we start seeing these numbers, rugby seems to have been reluctant to give out stats on training figures, and is only been in recent years they have started giving more info and also better access to in-play stats too.

                                  I am a bit of a nerd for that stuff, so always look at the American sports and wish we had access to that sort of data, given I assume coaches must have access to it all (I recall years back when Wayne SMith used to talk about passive/dominant tackles and they talked about a program they used to analise player stats)

                                  I did my L2 coaching last year, and we had access to some of the Super rugby tools in a video session and was great to see, as basic as it seemed.

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                                    I think it's good we start seeing these numbers, rugby seems to have been reluctant to give out stats on training figures, and is only been in recent years they have started giving more info and also better access to in-play stats too.

                                    I am a bit of a nerd for that stuff, so always look at the American sports and wish we had access to that sort of data, given I assume coaches must have access to it all (I recall years back when Wayne SMith used to talk about passive/dominant tackles and they talked about a program they used to analise player stats)

                                    I did my L2 coaching last year, and we had access to some of the Super rugby tools in a video session and was great to see, as basic as it seemed.

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                                    @taniwharugby It’s another thing that helps fan engagement. If you’re not interested, no bother. But if you are, it’s another thing to argue about in the pub on Thursday onwards

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                                      From Gill's comments they must do the bronco test in pairs, and Ruru was fortunate he was paired with BB.

                                      In the Chiefs, DMac and Weber would be a good pairing to nudge BB's record.

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                                        From Gill's comments they must do the bronco test in pairs, and Ruru was fortunate he was paired with BB.

                                        In the Chiefs, DMac and Weber would be a good pairing to nudge BB's record.

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                                        @Bovidae usually it is done with multiple people, is def not as good on your own or with someone a bit slower than you (eg BB with Tu'ungafasi)

                                        When doing fitness with TR Jnr last year I was a good 30 -40 sec slower (as I was quite a bit quicker than him) than i was when I did it with his team who had a couple of kids that do well under 5 mins.

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                                        • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                                          @Bovidae usually it is done with multiple people, is def not as good on your own or with someone a bit slower than you (eg BB with Tu'ungafasi)

                                          When doing fitness with TR Jnr last year I was a good 30 -40 sec slower (as I was quite a bit quicker than him) than i was when I did it with his team who had a couple of kids that do well under 5 mins.

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                                          @taniwharugby said in Blues 2020:

                                          @Bovidae usually it is done with multiple people, is def not as good on your own or with someone a bit slower than you (eg BB with Tu'ungafasi)

                                          When doing fitness with TR Jnr last year I was a good 30 -40 sec slower (as I was quite a bit quicker than him) than i was when I did it with his team who had a couple of kids that do well under 5 mins.

                                          You still smoking him in sprints ? great work, he's a teenager now isn't he ? I hammered the boys in a sprint over the weekend but only cos the other half was watching.

                                          Strange seeing Read reasonably low in that Crusaders list.

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