'Super Rugby' 2021
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The article above answers some questions we were wondering about (re: broadcasting rights for the SANZAAR countries).
Stuff understands that under the current 2016-2020 Sanzaar arrangements New Zealand, Australia and South Africa get an equal share of the broadcasting pot – one-third– with a set amount set aside for Argentina. This reflects their contributions under the last deal, with the Sky deal worth $US32 million a year (although that includes the Mitre 10 Cup), Fox Sports adding $US24m and SuperSport $U26 million (SARU sells the Currie Cup separately, and the size of that deal has caused friction in the past). The significant uplift in last deal was also helped by more money out of the UK, where a broadcast war between Sky UK and BT Sport saw the former pay about £20m a year – a staggering 620 per cent increase that won't be repeated. However, you can burn that model because the ground has shifted in the past few years, and was doing so even before the coronavirus. Stuff has been told that the massive deal NZ Rugby struck with Sky is worth up to $100m a year (that figure also includes domestic tests that are not part of the Sanzaar deal) while the SuperSport deal was tipped to be flat. That's a huge increase for NZ Rugby, as in 2016 and 2018 (the most recent non-British and Irish Lions tours years) its broadcast revenues were $73m a year. The ailing Sanzaar partner is clearly Australia, where Fox Sports is reportedly in a position to only offer $A15-20m a year for the 2021-2026 rights. -
@KiwiMurph
Moneywise easily especially if mitre10 cup is canned. Players would take a slight paycut (most of their NPC money) I think one product makes rugby less convuluted, shorter total domestic season (like the NRL) would get more people coming and leave wiggle room for value add stuff, International tours vs clubs mid week etc.
player wise i think yes as well as i mentioned above, i think alot of players would come back from Pro d2 definitley and less so japan england and top 14. There are more pro nzers overseas than in NZ
A lot of good mitre10 players leave for these leagues and would likely relish the chance to play in a premier nz comp. Opening the door for pacific island players would mean they could play closer to home.@muddyriver the problem with canning M10 cup is you then leave large chunks of NZ with absolutely nothing to support.
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@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Godder said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Godder said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
For 2021, I think start with an ANZ tournament. Less likely to be disrupted by travel and pandemic issues, so there's more certainty that the competition will be completed.
Either 5 NZ & 3 Oz teams, or perhaps 6 & 4. Too many Oz teams just means they get stomped, which I enjoy but probably isn't conducive to garnering a following in Oz given their love of winners.
Double round robin, home and away, semis and a final. If the playoffs need to be bigger in a 10 team competition, go top 5, with the old league system.
Where does the money come from to pay the players with this model? Without the African TV money, we need something to fill the breach.
TV rights and probably a pared back cost structure for everyone.
Without SA, or Japan, the TV rights money is peanuts.
Can we have some proof of that? I cannot find the amount of the SA deal, NZR newest from sky has been guessed at. But nothing from SA. I'm not sure that they still bring in the biggest amount. The SA economy is fucked, maybe they used too, but it's it still the case?
@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Godder said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Godder said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
For 2021, I think start with an ANZ tournament. Less likely to be disrupted by travel and pandemic issues, so there's more certainty that the competition will be completed.
Either 5 NZ & 3 Oz teams, or perhaps 6 & 4. Too many Oz teams just means they get stomped, which I enjoy but probably isn't conducive to garnering a following in Oz given their love of winners.
Double round robin, home and away, semis and a final. If the playoffs need to be bigger in a 10 team competition, go top 5, with the old league system.
Where does the money come from to pay the players with this model? Without the African TV money, we need something to fill the breach.
TV rights and probably a pared back cost structure for everyone.
Without SA, or Japan, the TV rights money is peanuts.
Can we have some proof of that? I cannot find the amount of the SA deal, NZR newest from sky has been guessed at. But nothing from SA. I'm not sure that they still bring in the biggest amount. The SA economy is fucked, maybe they used too, but it's it still the case?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/121523112/why-nz-rugby-could-now-rip-up-super-rugby
In fact, a source has told Stuff the new Sky deal announced in Octobermeans NZ Rugby will bring "significantly" more to Sanzaar than the South Africans will via broadcaster SuperSport, in part because of the weak Rand.
It's a game-changing deal – heated up by competition from Spark – that defied broader industry trends and could allow NZ Rugby to radically redraw Super Rugby to make it the more domestic-focused product that supporters are craving.
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@muddyriver the problem with canning M10 cup is you then leave large chunks of NZ with absolutely nothing to support.
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@Bones i agree. but cater to everyone and you dont make anyone happy, is that how it goes?
support the prems club (i think a huge growth area in rural NZ), expand the heartland. very tough call...
@muddyriver said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Bones i agree. but cater to everyone and you dont make anyone happy, is that how it goes?
support the prems club (i think a huge growth area in rural NZ), expand the heartland. very tough call...
You have to give the smaller provinces something. It's not always about making money. It's about fans being able to get along and support a local team, rather than just have club rugby and that's it.
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@muddyriver said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Bones i agree. but cater to everyone and you dont make anyone happy, is that how it goes?
support the prems club (i think a huge growth area in rural NZ), expand the heartland. very tough call...
You have to give the smaller provinces something. It's not always about making money. It's about fans being able to get along and support a local team, rather than just have club rugby and that's it.
@Bones said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
It's about fans being able to get along and support a local team, rather than just have club rugby and that's it.
does that have to be professional?
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@Bones said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
It's about fans being able to get along and support a local team, rather than just have club rugby and that's it.
does that have to be professional?
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Bones said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
It's about fans being able to get along and support a local team, rather than just have club rugby and that's it.
does that have to be professional?
Nope. Does that mean it doesn't cost anything?
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@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Bones said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
It's about fans being able to get along and support a local team, rather than just have club rugby and that's it.
does that have to be professional?
Nope. Does that mean it doesn't cost anything?
@Bones said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Bones said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
It's about fans being able to get along and support a local team, rather than just have club rugby and that's it.
does that have to be professional?
Nope. Does that mean it doesn't cost anything?
no, but that's not where i was going.
Getting representative rugby back to being rep teams might scratch that itch?
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@Bones said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Bones said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
It's about fans being able to get along and support a local team, rather than just have club rugby and that's it.
does that have to be professional?
Nope. Does that mean it doesn't cost anything?
no, but that's not where i was going.
Getting representative rugby back to being rep teams might scratch that itch?
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@mariner4life definitely, that'd be perfect eh. So NPC just not semi-pro. That's not getting rid of it!
@Bones said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life definitely, that'd be perfect eh. So NPC just not semi-pro. That's not getting rid of it!
i sort of like the idea of a 10-team professional comp, and then a rep NPC after club land finishes.
We can't have pro teams everywhere, but i agree that people have pride in their provinces, and that needs to be tapped in to.
EDIT: That should be "a 10-team pro comp; and then also a rep NPC" they would be separate with separate players
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@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Godder said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Godder said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
For 2021, I think start with an ANZ tournament. Less likely to be disrupted by travel and pandemic issues, so there's more certainty that the competition will be completed.
Either 5 NZ & 3 Oz teams, or perhaps 6 & 4. Too many Oz teams just means they get stomped, which I enjoy but probably isn't conducive to garnering a following in Oz given their love of winners.
Double round robin, home and away, semis and a final. If the playoffs need to be bigger in a 10 team competition, go top 5, with the old league system.
Where does the money come from to pay the players with this model? Without the African TV money, we need something to fill the breach.
TV rights and probably a pared back cost structure for everyone.
Without SA, or Japan, the TV rights money is peanuts.
Can we have some proof of that? I cannot find the amount of the SA deal, NZR newest from sky has been guessed at. But nothing from SA. I'm not sure that they still bring in the biggest amount. The SA economy is fucked, maybe they used too, but it's it still the case?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/121523112/why-nz-rugby-could-now-rip-up-super-rugby
In fact, a source has told Stuff the new Sky deal announced in Octobermeans NZ Rugby will bring "significantly" more to Sanzaar than the South Africans will via broadcaster SuperSport, in part because of the weak Rand.
It's a game-changing deal – heated up by competition from Spark – that defied broader industry trends and could allow NZ Rugby to radically redraw Super Rugby to make it the more domestic-focused product that supporters are craving.
@Winger said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
In fact, a source has told Stuff the new Sky deal announced in Octobermeans NZ Rugby will bring "significantly" more to Sanzaar than the South Africans will via broadcaster SuperSport, in part because of the weak Rand.
It's a game-changing deal – heated up by competition from Spark – that defied broader industry trends and could allow NZ Rugby to radically redraw Super Rugby to make it the more domestic-focused product that supporters are craving.Glad that my prediction/thoughts were correct - doesn't happen often!
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Rumours only at the moment:
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8 SR teams?
They might as well go to 10 NPC teams and have a single competition. Everyone plays everyone home and away
4 teams to drop to heartland or merge with a larger team
@Duluth said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
8 SR teams?
They might as well go to 10 NPC teams and have a single competition. Everyone plays everyone home and away
4 teams to drop to heartland or merge with a larger team
Also this would make the Ranfurly Shield important again
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8 SR teams?
They might as well go to 10 NPC teams and have a single competition. Everyone plays everyone home and away
4 teams to drop to heartland or merge with a larger team
@Duluth said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
8 SR teams?
They might as well go to 10 NPC teams and have a single competition. Everyone plays everyone home and away
4 teams to drop to heartland or merge with a larger team
Bye bye Northland Southland Hawkes Bay and Ta$man
