Super Rugby 2020
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@pukunui said in Super Rugby 2020:
It seems way too easy now for the defence to just wait a few phases and get half a hand on the ball at a ruck And win the turnover penalty.
Definitely not the impression I get. Teams on defence are rightly being pinged for not actually going at the ball or doing it illegally.
All the other stuff you mentioned is teams getting pinged for infringing. Is that really what we want to complain about?
@Bones said in Super Rugby 2020:
@pukunui said in Super Rugby 2020:
It seems way too easy now for the defence to just wait a few phases and get half a hand on the ball at a ruck And win the turnover penalty.
Definitely not the impression I get. Teams on defence are rightly being pinged for not actually going at the ball or doing it illegally.
All the other stuff you mentioned is teams getting pinged for infringing. Is that really what we want to complain about?
Getting pinged for not going at the ball correctly? I can’t say i have noticed that. Being told to leave it maybe but I haven’t seen them getting penalised.
And it’s all well and good to say they are infringing but there needs to be a balance. The old cliche of “you could blow a penalty at just about every ruck” is true. Players leave their feet at just about every ruck. Players play the ball with their hands at just about every ruck. Players aren’t properly bound before entering just about every ruck. The list is endless. Most of these things which are technically infringements have zero impact on the game. Blowing penalties for those sorts of things has a huge impact on the game. It definitely doesn’t make for a good, free flowing, entertaining game.
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@Bones said in Super Rugby 2020:
@pukunui said in Super Rugby 2020:
It seems way too easy now for the defence to just wait a few phases and get half a hand on the ball at a ruck And win the turnover penalty.
Definitely not the impression I get. Teams on defence are rightly being pinged for not actually going at the ball or doing it illegally.
All the other stuff you mentioned is teams getting pinged for infringing. Is that really what we want to complain about?
Getting pinged for not going at the ball correctly? I can’t say i have noticed that. Being told to leave it maybe but I haven’t seen them getting penalised.
And it’s all well and good to say they are infringing but there needs to be a balance. The old cliche of “you could blow a penalty at just about every ruck” is true. Players leave their feet at just about every ruck. Players play the ball with their hands at just about every ruck. Players aren’t properly bound before entering just about every ruck. The list is endless. Most of these things which are technically infringements have zero impact on the game. Blowing penalties for those sorts of things has a huge impact on the game. It definitely doesn’t make for a good, free flowing, entertaining game.
@pukunui said in Super Rugby 2020:
@Bones said in Super Rugby 2020:
@pukunui said in Super Rugby 2020:
It seems way too easy now for the defence to just wait a few phases and get half a hand on the ball at a ruck And win the turnover penalty.
Definitely not the impression I get. Teams on defence are rightly being pinged for not actually going at the ball or doing it illegally.
All the other stuff you mentioned is teams getting pinged for infringing. Is that really what we want to complain about?
Getting pinged for not going at the ball correctly? I can’t say i have noticed that. Being told to leave it maybe but I haven’t seen them getting penalised.
And it’s all well and good to say they are infringing but there needs to be a balance. The old cliche of “you could blow a penalty at just about every ruck” is true. Players leave their feet at just about every ruck. Players play the ball with their hands at just about every ruck. Players aren’t properly bound before entering just about every ruck. The list is endless. Most of these things which are technically infringements have zero impact on the game. Blowing penalties for those sorts of things has a huge impact on the game. It definitely doesn’t make for a good, free flowing, entertaining game.
It does if the players don't infringe.
I'm pretty astounded you haven't noticed the players getting penalised on the defence for no release of the tackled player, off their feet, hands on the ground, going to ground, not on feet, second go, not playing the ball but playing the player, etc etc.
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Full replays of the first two rounds here (until they get taken down by copywrite?) -
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0ou2TJg3Ad00j9Sws0ZNxw/featured -
@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2020:
@Bones said in Super Rugby 2020:
Oh and plenty of whinging about all the "shit" refs. So it appears there isn't a half decent ref in NZ as a ref is always deemed not worthy by groups of people.
Our poor players having to deal with such substandard ineptitude. These games are clearly free of infringements yet that's not how they're being reffed.
Consistency in rulings is what you want. Uncertainty doesn't lead to a good game.
I don' t think the current group are terrible, but I don't think they are top drawer either. Great referees are hard to find these days, and the laws haven't helped for the last decade or so
I haven't noticed inconsistency. I've thought the refs have been doing well - dealing with new focuses and players just not adjusting. I feel like the new sport now is to try and lambast the refs.
If teams are being hammered in the first half and then not in the second - hey maybe they're adjusting? They were the winning teams right?
@Bones said in Super Rugby 2020:
@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2020:
@Bones said in Super Rugby 2020:
Oh and plenty of whinging about all the "shit" refs. So it appears there isn't a half decent ref in NZ as a ref is always deemed not worthy by groups of people.
Our poor players having to deal with such substandard ineptitude. These games are clearly free of infringements yet that's not how they're being reffed.
Consistency in rulings is what you want. Uncertainty doesn't lead to a good game.
I don' t think the current group are terrible, but I don't think they are top drawer either. Great referees are hard to find these days, and the laws haven't helped for the last decade or so
I haven't noticed inconsistency. I've thought the refs have been doing well - dealing with new focuses and players just not adjusting. I feel like the new sport now is to try and lambast the refs.
If teams are being hammered in the first half and then not in the second - hey maybe they're adjusting? They were the winning teams right?
I dunno, I've just been re-watching the Blues Chiefs and there's a whole lot of stuff being let go and occasionally pinged. Clear and obvious is always called, but some of the calls are super harsh at times, and then tolerant other times. I'm all for clarifying the tackle/collision area, and applying the laws is hard, but I think the refs could do better.
Honestly, it is consistency; all players and fans want to know is where the boundaries are, and are they consistently enforced. I think it's beter than previous years, but when we're averaging three times as many penalties as scrums in the game, refs are going to come under some scrutiny.
I think not replaying penalties is good for the casual fan, but super irritating for anoraks like me.
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@Bones said in Super Rugby 2020:
@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2020:
@Bones said in Super Rugby 2020:
Oh and plenty of whinging about all the "shit" refs. So it appears there isn't a half decent ref in NZ as a ref is always deemed not worthy by groups of people.
Our poor players having to deal with such substandard ineptitude. These games are clearly free of infringements yet that's not how they're being reffed.
Consistency in rulings is what you want. Uncertainty doesn't lead to a good game.
I don' t think the current group are terrible, but I don't think they are top drawer either. Great referees are hard to find these days, and the laws haven't helped for the last decade or so
I haven't noticed inconsistency. I've thought the refs have been doing well - dealing with new focuses and players just not adjusting. I feel like the new sport now is to try and lambast the refs.
If teams are being hammered in the first half and then not in the second - hey maybe they're adjusting? They were the winning teams right?
I dunno, I've just been re-watching the Blues Chiefs and there's a whole lot of stuff being let go and occasionally pinged. Clear and obvious is always called, but some of the calls are super harsh at times, and then tolerant other times. I'm all for clarifying the tackle/collision area, and applying the laws is hard, but I think the refs could do better.
Honestly, it is consistency; all players and fans want to know is where the boundaries are, and are they consistently enforced. I think it's beter than previous years, but when we're averaging three times as many penalties as scrums in the game, refs are going to come under some scrutiny.
I think not replaying penalties is good for the casual fan, but super irritating for anoraks like me.
@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2020:
I think not replaying penalties is good for the casual fan, but super irritating for anoraks like me.
at first i thought it was weird. but then i realised i just want to know i was hard done by, not just suspect i was hard done by. And the commentators couldn't fuel my outrage. So i could really get used to it i think
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@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2020:
I think not replaying penalties is good for the casual fan, but super irritating for anoraks like me.
at first i thought it was weird. but then i realised i just want to know i was hard done by, not just suspect i was hard done by. And the commentators couldn't fuel my outrage. So i could really get used to it i think
@mariner4life I know.
I think it's better for Rugby overall. Still annoying though - it's so hard not to dissect the performance of a ref when they are shafting you
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FYI: I've updated all injuries again on the squad lists.
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Interview with Bryce Lawrence starts ~7:40
He discusses the new rule interpretations, the feedback process between coaches (SR and Foster) and the referees.
Ben O'Keefe probably isn't too happy about this. They discuss three errors and they are all his
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12342594
Lawrence also admitted referee Ben O'Keeffe wrongly ruled a penalty against the Blues during their win over the Chiefs, which resulted in a Dalton Papalii yellow card after he was judged to have illegally stolen the ball in the ruck. He clarified that the mistake came because of an illegal use of the "squeeze ball" by the Chiefs – where the ball is placed between the legs of the ball carrier while kneeling on the ground facing the opposition.
"We believe our decision was wrong ... we believe he should've been rewarded either with the penalty or if not the penalty let him then go forward and then pick it up the second time.
"We had a long discussion about that clip. We're having to work out what the 'squeeze ball' means again because it hasn't been in play for a couple of years. But all the teams are using it to protect the ball. We had a great discussion and then Fozzie (Foster) came in with exactly that clip and reconfirmed our thinking.""
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Interview with Bryce Lawrence starts ~7:40
He discusses the new rule interpretations, the feedback process between coaches (SR and Foster) and the referees.
Ben O'Keefe probably isn't too happy about this. They discuss three errors and they are all his
@Duluth I feel vindicated. Pleasing to see the collaboration and honesty to get the game where we all want it to be too.
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@Bones said in Super Rugby 2020:
@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2020:
@Bones said in Super Rugby 2020:
Oh and plenty of whinging about all the "shit" refs. So it appears there isn't a half decent ref in NZ as a ref is always deemed not worthy by groups of people.
Our poor players having to deal with such substandard ineptitude. These games are clearly free of infringements yet that's not how they're being reffed.
Consistency in rulings is what you want. Uncertainty doesn't lead to a good game.
I don' t think the current group are terrible, but I don't think they are top drawer either. Great referees are hard to find these days, and the laws haven't helped for the last decade or so
I haven't noticed inconsistency. I've thought the refs have been doing well - dealing with new focuses and players just not adjusting. I feel like the new sport now is to try and lambast the refs.
If teams are being hammered in the first half and then not in the second - hey maybe they're adjusting? They were the winning teams right?
I dunno, I've just been re-watching the Blues Chiefs and there's a whole lot of stuff being let go and occasionally pinged. Clear and obvious is always called, but some of the calls are super harsh at times, and then tolerant other times. I'm all for clarifying the tackle/collision area, and applying the laws is hard, but I think the refs could do better.
Honestly, it is consistency; all players and fans want to know is where the boundaries are, and are they consistently enforced. I think it's beter than previous years, but when we're averaging three times as many penalties as scrums in the game, refs are going to come under some scrutiny.
I think not replaying penalties is good for the casual fan, but super irritating for anoraks like me.
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Australia’s professional rugby players have rejected a new wage cut proposal by Rugby Australia, and on Tuesday night suggested sitting out the domestic competition to start on July 3 if they’re not paid more.
The threat is of such substance that Melbourne Rebels players, booked on a flight to Canberra on Friday at 10am to play the Brumbies on July 4, are openly talking about not boarding the plane.
The alarming development has come after RA asked players to take another pay cut until the end of the year.
All 192 professional players had accepted an average 60 per cent pay cut until September 30, in the belief that after RA had secured a broadcast deal for the new domestic Super tournament, they would be reinstated to full pay.
But despite a revised deal with broadcaster Fox Sports for the five-team Super Rugby AU tournament, cash-stricken RA has asked players to accept a 40 per cent pay cut from October 1 until December 31.
It means since April, the players will only have earned half their agreed salaries for the remainder of 2020 amid the COVID-19 pandemic.
The players have said they’re only prepared to accept an average 20 per cent pay cut.
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Some interesting analysis of week 2 of SRA:
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For those who get easily offended don't watch the following. Jimmy Marshall obviously has too much time on his hands.
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@Bones said in Super Rugby 2020:
I'm truly shocked neither Ioane brother even got a mention for biggest grub.
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@Bones said in Super Rugby 2020:
I'm truly shocked neither Ioane brother even got a mention for biggest grub.
@MN5 said in Super Rugby 2020:
@Bones said in Super Rugby 2020:
I'm truly shocked neither Ioane brother even got a mention for biggest grub.
I'm guessing it's because the Ioanes don't go beyond just a push and shove. You won't see them penalized or carded for anything grubby.
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@Bones said in Super Rugby 2020:
I'm truly shocked neither Ioane brother even got a mention for biggest grub.
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Would be interesting to see the results beyond the first 3 for some of those categories.
Thought the favourite ground result was interesting given the debate over the new chch stadium.Also found the best/worst ref ones interesting. O’keefe more popular tgan I would have thought and Jackson pretty unpopular.
