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    @jauzy019 bugger, but Chiefs have a stacked midfield so probably not surprising. Wonder if he'll play for Samoa at some stage.

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    Former ABs analyst and Blues assistant coach Alistair Rogers is the new defence coach of Canon Eagles.

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    Report: Eddie Jones intent on brazenly luring Hoskins Sotutu to England

    Report: Eddie Jones intent on brazenly luring Hoskins Sotutu to England

    England coach Eddie Jones is reportedly keen on swooping in on Hoskins Sotutu, one of Super Rugby Aotearoa's breakout stars, after the Blues No 8 revealed he qualifies to play for England via his mother.

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    @Yeetyaah Fair enough too, he’s a Kiwi product, but if he wants the real big bucks (and an awful grind of a career) he should go. Hopefully he has his eyes on a black jersey, having grown up here.

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    @Yeetyaah Eddie would not be doing his job if he didn't

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    He also wouldn't be doing his 'eddie' job if he didn't attempt to wind up some kiwis.

    But, then again, he actually went through with it with Brad Shields ...

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    If only the NZ Herald had run that article after the ABs had capped him. But then again, it also sounds like Hoskins wanted that information out there. If Hoskins goes I will be disappointed. At least with Shields, he tried for years to get into the ABs and only left after it became clear that he was not likely to get picked.

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    Eddie Jones has repeatedly said it's not his job to write the eligibility rules, it's his job to prepare the best possible team for England to the very best of his ability.

    Whatever decision Hoskins Sotutu makes is up to him. He will know his career goals and his own Rugby identity. He has to think as well about his post-Rugby career and the very real possibility that injury could cut his career short.

    It would be a stunning coup by Eddie Jones and the RFU if they could get Hoskins Sotutu of the Blues and former NZ under-20 international to commit to playing for England. But dear God, what would it say about Ian Foster and NZR if they let such an obvious outstanding talent slip through their fingers?

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    @sparky said in Exodus:

    Eddie Jones has repeatedly said it's not his job to write the eligibility rules, it's his job to prepare the best possible team for England to the very best of his ability.

    Whatever decision Hoskins Sotutu makes is up to him. He will know his career goals and his own Rugby identity. He has to think as well about his post-Rugby career and the very real possibility that injury could cut his career short.

    It would be a stunning coup by Eddie Jones and the RFU if they could get Hoskins Sotutu of the Blues and former NZ under-20 international to commit to playing for England. But dear God, what would it say about Ian Foster and NZR if they let such an obvious outstanding talent slip through their fingers?

    I don't think it says anything about Foster or NZR if he choses to play for England. He's a young, inexperienced lad, so they're not going to throw extra money at him to keep him here. What can they do? Nothing. They're not going to cap a player quickly, just to keep him from playing for another country. Now, that would be dodgy!

    From what I've read, it's still a distinct possibility that he choses to play for Fiji. I haven't been able to find it anymore, but I remember reading somewhere that there's quite a lot of pressure from his family in Fiji to do so. There may also be financial pressure from that side.

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    @sparky said in Exodus:

    But dear God, what would it say about Ian Foster and NZR if they let such an obvious outstanding talent slip through their fingers?

    It would say NZ has a GDP and pop of a tenth of England, and they can pay him a fuck load more?

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    @Stargazer It's Ian Foster's job now to prepare the ABs to have the best possible shot of recapturing silverware. That is maxmisied by getting Hoskins Sotutu on board.

    If he choses anything other the ABs then Eddie Jones will be laughing for some time.

    Hopefully the ABs at the Blues will be enthuse about the AB environment. I'd also get Wayne Shelford and Kieran Read to sit down with young Hoskins 1:1 and explain what that AB Number 8 jersey meant to them.

    Ultimately and rightly, the player has the choice here. But I hope the ABs management are doing all they can to bring young eligible talent on board.

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    @Machpants said in Exodus:

    @sparky said in Exodus:

    But dear God, what would it say about Ian Foster and NZR if they let such an obvious outstanding talent slip through their fingers?

    It would say NZ has a GDP and pop of a tenth of England, and they can pay him a fuck load more?

    Yeah, but NZ has more Rugby fans and won't have its economy anything like as badly affected by Covid-19.

    Given the cuts the RFU are currently making, they're not exactly swimming in spare cash:

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    Hopefully growing up in New Zealand makes him desire the jersey and on form he'd have to be picked in the squad.

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    If I was a young England-based talented Number 8 busting my backside off, I'd be a bit upset that my national coach is so intent on turning a player who has spent almost all his life on the other side of the world into an England international.

    Eddie Jones said recently that NZ had three great development systems full of young talent: Tonga, Fiji and Samoa. Its obvious he's obsessed with selecting talent from two other development systems: the North island and the South Island of New Zealand.

    Why isn't Eddie Jones trying as hard to develop young players from the Isle of Wight, the Isle of Shepney or the Isle of Dogs into becoming England internationals?

    Poaching talent plugs holes, but it isn't going to work long-term as a talent development system.

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    After a couple of decades I'm starting to suspect that Eddie likes to shit stir

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    @Duluth Just a bit.

    Given the new Politically Correct environment in the RFU (no singing of Swing Low from the chairman), I wonder whether that relationship will always be a happy one?

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    @sparky said in Exodus:

    Why isn't Eddie Jones trying as hard to develop young players from

    Because Eddie isn't the Development Officer/person from the RFU. He's the coach of the national team, his job is to make them the best, within the rules he's given. And if getting some bloke from NZ with an English Mum is the best, then he will do it. In fact he would be remiss if he did not pursue it.

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    @Duluth said in Exodus:

    After a couple of decades I'm starting to suspect that Eddie likes to shit stir

    Clever at Media Management too.

    I suspect the super, right-wing Daily Telegraph is the paper of choice of many ardent England Rugby fans. Rather than reporting that Leicester and the RFU can't match Manu Tuilagi's wage demands as their main Rugby story, they have a headline of a "Raid" on NZ talent:

    Jun 30, 2020

    England boss Eddie Jones plans stunning raid for 'next All Blacks sensation' Hoskins Sotutu

    England boss Eddie Jones plans stunning raid for 'next All Blacks sensation' Hoskins Sotutu

    Exclusive: The 21-year-old Blues No 8 is on Jones' radar after recently revealing he qualifies for England via his mother

    All Eddie's done is told a journalist at the DT he thinks Hoskins Sotutu is an excellent player and he has an English mother.

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    @Machpants said in Exodus:

    @sparky said in Exodus:

    Why isn't Eddie Jones trying as hard to develop young players from

    Because Eddie isn't the Development Officer/person from the RFU. He's the coach of the national team, his job is to make them the best, within the rules he's given. And if getting some bloke from NZ with an English Mum is the best, then he will do it. In fact he would be remiss if he did not pursue it.

    If I was Eddie I would mostly be worried about when my players can start playing again. It's July and still they have no fixtures planned and no green light from the UK Government to start even proper training.

    The NZ players are prepping for the next World Cup by playing in the toughest domestic competition in the world in front of packed stadiums. There's the return of the legendary North Vs South game to look forward to.

    Meanwhile after more than 100 days of lockdown, Eddie's boys are still at home watching Netflix and planning a bender when the pubs open on Saturday.

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    @sparky said in Exodus:

    Poaching talent plugs holes, but it isn't going to work long-term as a talent development system.

    Eddie doesn't give a shit, he is a mercenary short term guy. Can't blame him, other people have to do the development role.

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