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    @sparky said in Exodus:

    Why isn't Eddie Jones trying as hard to develop young players from

    Because Eddie isn't the Development Officer/person from the RFU. He's the coach of the national team, his job is to make them the best, within the rules he's given. And if getting some bloke from NZ with an English Mum is the best, then he will do it. In fact he would be remiss if he did not pursue it.

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    @Duluth said in Exodus:

    After a couple of decades I'm starting to suspect that Eddie likes to shit stir

    Clever at Media Management too.

    I suspect the super, right-wing Daily Telegraph is the paper of choice of many ardent England Rugby fans. Rather than reporting that Leicester and the RFU can't match Manu Tuilagi's wage demands as their main Rugby story, they have a headline of a "Raid" on NZ talent:

    Jun 30, 2020

    England boss Eddie Jones plans stunning raid for 'next All Blacks sensation' Hoskins Sotutu

    England boss Eddie Jones plans stunning raid for 'next All Blacks sensation' Hoskins Sotutu

    Exclusive: The 21-year-old Blues No 8 is on Jones' radar after recently revealing he qualifies for England via his mother

    All Eddie's done is told a journalist at the DT he thinks Hoskins Sotutu is an excellent player and he has an English mother.

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    @Machpants said in Exodus:

    @sparky said in Exodus:

    Why isn't Eddie Jones trying as hard to develop young players from

    Because Eddie isn't the Development Officer/person from the RFU. He's the coach of the national team, his job is to make them the best, within the rules he's given. And if getting some bloke from NZ with an English Mum is the best, then he will do it. In fact he would be remiss if he did not pursue it.

    If I was Eddie I would mostly be worried about when my players can start playing again. It's July and still they have no fixtures planned and no green light from the UK Government to start even proper training.

    The NZ players are prepping for the next World Cup by playing in the toughest domestic competition in the world in front of packed stadiums. There's the return of the legendary North Vs South game to look forward to.

    Meanwhile after more than 100 days of lockdown, Eddie's boys are still at home watching Netflix and planning a bender when the pubs open on Saturday.

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    @sparky said in Exodus:

    Poaching talent plugs holes, but it isn't going to work long-term as a talent development system.

    Eddie doesn't give a shit, he is a mercenary short term guy. Can't blame him, other people have to do the development role.

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    @Snowy said in Exodus:

    @sparky said in Exodus:

    Poaching talent plugs holes, but it isn't going to work long-term as a talent development system.

    Eddie doesn't give a shit, he is a mercenary short term guy. Can't blame him, other people have to do the development role.

    And he's brilliant at that short-term role. But ultimately the guys who look at systems and structures and align them to the vision are going to bring more success in the long term.

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    @sparky said in Exodus:

    @Snowy said in Exodus:

    @sparky said in Exodus:

    Poaching talent plugs holes, but it isn't going to work long-term as a talent development system.

    Eddie doesn't give a shit, he is a mercenary short term guy. Can't blame him, other people have to do the development role.

    And he's brilliant at that short-term role. But ultimately the guys who look at systems and structures and align them to the vision are going to bring more success in the long term.

    Just pointing out that it isn't his job and noted that the "other" guys and girls have to do their bit.

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    Oh great. Now he has to sever ties with England too.

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    @sparky said in Exodus:

    Eddie Jones has repeatedly said it's not his job to write the eligibility rules, it's his job to prepare the best possible team for England to the very best of his ability.

    Whatever decision Hoskins Sotutu makes is up to him. He will know his career goals and his own Rugby identity. He has to think as well about his post-Rugby career and the very real possibility that injury could cut his career short.

    It would be a stunning coup by Eddie Jones and the RFU if they could get Hoskins Sotutu of the Blues and former NZ under-20 international to commit to playing for England. But dear God, what would it say about Ian Foster and NZR if they let such an obvious outstanding talent slip through their fingers?

    Next cab off the rank?

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    Barrett to Japan for 2 years? Thought he only had provision for 1.

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    A bit more info. That rumour about Beauden Barrett comes from the Daily Mail. Wait and see whether it's true and whether the length of the deal is correct. I agree @mofitzy_, I also thought he only had a sabbatical clause for one season.

    All Blacks superstar Beauden Barrett has agreed a multi-million pound move to Suntory Sungoliath as the exodus of players to Japan continues.

    The double World Player of the Year has agreed a two-year deal with the franchise, worth £780,000 (NZ$1.5m) per season.

    Sportsmail understands the 29-year-old full-back, who also plays No 10, will join up with his new side after this year’s autumn internationals.

    It means he will not represent the All Blacks for two years, however the New Zealand Rugby Union agreed to the deal to help ease the financial strain of COVID-19.

    Barrett and his All Blacks team-mates are centrally contracted, allowing New Zealand control over their players on the international stage.

    His absence will cost the team arguably their best player but free up crucial funds to help deal with the lack to Test rugby during the Covid-19 crisis.

    Nik Simon  /  Jul 2, 2020  /  Rugby

    Barrett agrees huge £780,000-a-year deal to join Suntory Sungoliath

    Barrett agrees huge £780,000-a-year deal to join Suntory Sungoliath

    EXCLUSIVE BY NIK SIMON: All Blacks superstar Beauden Barrett has agreed a multi-million dollar move to Suntory Sungoliath as the exodus of players to Japan continues.

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    @Stargazer Beauden seems to have become a peripheral figure at the Blues. He should be playing 10 and calling the shots as he did at the Hurricanes. Not surprised he is looking at other options.

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    @sparky
    I'd say this has way less to do with the Blues than the financial situation of NZR. Offload your highest paycheck for 2 years knowing he'll be back likely fresher than when he left and in time for another RWC.

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    @mofitzy_ said in Exodus:

    @sparky
    I'd say this has way less to do with the Blues than the financial situation of NZR. Offload your highest paycheck for 2 years knowing he'll be back likely fresher than when he left and in time for another RWC.

    Good luck to Beauden. I hope he makes lots and lots and lots of Yen in Japan.

    Then comes home to Hurricanes and plays 1st 5 for free.

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    @mofitzy_ good luck to him ousting Mitch Hunt for the top job at the RWC.

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    @Rapido said in Exodus:

    He also wouldn't be doing his 'eddie' job if he didn't attempt to wind up some kiwis.

    But, then again, he actually went through with it with Brad Shields ...

    Yeah, he even kept up the charade by picking him for a few tests before discarding him when it actually counted

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    @junior said in Exodus:

    @Rapido said in Exodus:

    He also wouldn't be doing his 'eddie' job if he didn't attempt to wind up some kiwis.

    But, then again, he actually went through with it with Brad Shields ...

    Yeah, he even kept up the charade by picking him for a few tests before discarding him when it actually counted

    You could say that he "dropped" Brad, which would be appropriate.

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    Confirmed as a 1 season sabbatical for Beauden Barrett. Will only miss 2021 Super Rugby. Back for 2021 test rugby (who knows what that will look like).

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    Confirmed: Beauden Barrett to play in Japan next season

    Barrett, who signed a four-year deal with New Zealand Rugby and the Blues last year, will miss next year’s Super Rugby season and play for the Suntory Sungoliath club based in Tokyo, before returning to New Zealand for the 2021 international season. He will then remain in New Zealand for the rest of his contract until 2023.

    The plan to play in Japan in 2021 is part of Barrett’s four-year deal agreed last year with New Zealand Rugby (NZR) and the Blues.

    https://www.allblacks.com/news/barrett-to-play-in-japan-next-season/

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    @Stargazer
    Don't know where they got the 2 years from. 1 season is much better.

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    That sort of works out well for the Blues because we still have Otere Black contracted for next season. It would've been a massive blow for us if Beauden took his sabbatical in 2022 and Otere left in 2022 too.

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