'Super Rugby' 2021
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@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Godder said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Godder said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
For 2021, I think start with an ANZ tournament. Less likely to be disrupted by travel and pandemic issues, so there's more certainty that the competition will be completed.
Either 5 NZ & 3 Oz teams, or perhaps 6 & 4. Too many Oz teams just means they get stomped, which I enjoy but probably isn't conducive to garnering a following in Oz given their love of winners.
Double round robin, home and away, semis and a final. If the playoffs need to be bigger in a 10 team competition, go top 5, with the old league system.
Where does the money come from to pay the players with this model? Without the African TV money, we need something to fill the breach.
TV rights and probably a pared back cost structure for everyone.
Without SA, or Japan, the TV rights money is peanuts.
Can we have some proof of that? I cannot find the amount of the SA deal, NZR newest from sky has been guessed at. But nothing from SA. I'm not sure that they still bring in the biggest amount. The SA economy is fucked, maybe they used too, but it's it still the case?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/121523112/why-nz-rugby-could-now-rip-up-super-rugby
In fact, a source has told Stuff the new Sky deal announced in Octobermeans NZ Rugby will bring "significantly" more to Sanzaar than the South Africans will via broadcaster SuperSport, in part because of the weak Rand.
It's a game-changing deal – heated up by competition from Spark – that defied broader industry trends and could allow NZ Rugby to radically redraw Super Rugby to make it the more domestic-focused product that supporters are craving.
@Winger said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
In fact, a source has told Stuff the new Sky deal announced in Octobermeans NZ Rugby will bring "significantly" more to Sanzaar than the South Africans will via broadcaster SuperSport, in part because of the weak Rand.
It's a game-changing deal – heated up by competition from Spark – that defied broader industry trends and could allow NZ Rugby to radically redraw Super Rugby to make it the more domestic-focused product that supporters are craving.Glad that my prediction/thoughts were correct - doesn't happen often!
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Rumours only at the moment:
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8 SR teams?
They might as well go to 10 NPC teams and have a single competition. Everyone plays everyone home and away
4 teams to drop to heartland or merge with a larger team
@Duluth said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
8 SR teams?
They might as well go to 10 NPC teams and have a single competition. Everyone plays everyone home and away
4 teams to drop to heartland or merge with a larger team
Also this would make the Ranfurly Shield important again
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8 SR teams?
They might as well go to 10 NPC teams and have a single competition. Everyone plays everyone home and away
4 teams to drop to heartland or merge with a larger team
@Duluth said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
8 SR teams?
They might as well go to 10 NPC teams and have a single competition. Everyone plays everyone home and away
4 teams to drop to heartland or merge with a larger team
Bye bye Northland Southland Hawkes Bay and Ta$man
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We don't have the depth for 6 teams at the moment. If fewer players leave for overseas clubs over the next few years, we may have enough for 6 teams, but not now. More than 6 is riduculous.
Oh, and hands off the NPC. No provinces to be dropped to Heartland.
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We don't have the depth for 6 teams at the moment. If fewer players leave for overseas clubs over the next few years, we may have enough for 6 teams, but not now. More than 6 is riduculous.
Oh, and hands off the NPC. No provinces to be dropped to Heartland.
@Stargazer said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
We don't have the depth for 6 teams at the moment. If fewer players leave for overseas clubs over the next few years, we may have enough for 6 teams, but not now. More than 6 is riduculous.
Oh, and hands off the NPC.
The NPC is essentially dead (Despite a few "Ultra-fans")
This is the best opportunity to move forward and bury it but be able to keep the Ranfurly Shield in operation.
If we had 8 SR teams and it was only played between NZ teams as it is now, it would be a good comp. Bettter than a pokey 5 team comp as it stands.
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@Stargazer said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
We don't have the depth for 6 teams at the moment. If fewer players leave for overseas clubs over the next few years, we may have enough for 6 teams, but not now. More than 6 is riduculous.
Oh, and hands off the NPC.
The NPC is essentially dead (Despite a few "Ultra-fans")
This is the best opportunity to move forward and bury it but be able to keep the Ranfurly Shield in operation.
If we had 8 SR teams and it was only played between NZ teams as it is now, it would be a good comp. Bettter than a pokey 5 team comp as it stands.
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@Stargazer said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Hooroo It won't generate enough income to replace SR though.
That comparison may no longer be valid
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@Stargazer said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Hooroo It won't generate enough income to replace SR though.
Absolutely agree but it may be the new way.
I can't see Super Rugby being the same again now that SA is pretty much pulling pin.
At best it may be a ANZ comp
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We don't have the depth for 6 teams at the moment. If fewer players leave for overseas clubs over the next few years, we may have enough for 6 teams, but not now. More than 6 is riduculous.
Oh, and hands off the NPC. No provinces to be dropped to Heartland.
@Stargazer said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
We don't have the depth for 6 teams at the moment. If fewer players leave for overseas clubs over the next few years, we may have enough for 6 teams, but not now. More than 6 is riduculous.
Oh, and hands off the NPC. No provinces to be dropped to Heartland.
A counter argument would be that in a trans Ta$man comp - making the NZ teams weaker might make the comp more competitive.
I think the real issue with the 6th NZ team is the $ funding it/making it financially viable.
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Just for fun, if there were 8 teams, what would they be?
Current 5
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Taniwha (Northland/NH plays at Albany)
Bays (Bay/Hawkes plays at Tauranga)
Cowpokes (Taranaki/Manawatu plays at New Plymouth)
If it were only one in an ANZ competition, I imagine that a team based in Labany would be easiest.
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Just for fun, if there were 8 teams, what would they be?
Current 5
Plus
Taniwha (Northland/NH plays at Albany)
Bays (Bay/Hawkes plays at Tauranga)
Cowpokes (Taranaki/Manawatu plays at New Plymouth)
If it were only one in an ANZ competition, I imagine that a team based in Labany would be easiest.
@gt12 said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Just for fun, if there were 8 teams, what would they be?
Current 5
Plus
Taniwha (Northland/NH plays at Albany)
Bays (Bay/Hawkes plays at Tauranga)
Cowpokes (Taranaki/Manawatu plays at New Plymouth)
If it were only one in an ANZ competition, I imagine that a team based in Labany would be easiest.
Bays is actually quite a good name. For a tricky divide. Hawkes Bay is the hardest to incorporate.
- North Auckland (revive the historic name)
- Bays (BOP. Poverty Bay, East Coast, Hawkes Bay
- Lower North Island (or LNI) - (Taranaki, Wanganui, Manawatu)
Hurricanes retain Howowhenua and Wairarapa in their franchise catchment.
Chiefs retain Thames Valley and King Country, but loose Counties.Blues, Chiefs, Hurricances, Highlanders, Crusaders - regain their original georgraphical monikers.
Big stuffs to Southlanders and Tasmaners moaning about their names. Southlanders have put up with in cricket for a century ....
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@gt12 said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Just for fun, if there were 8 teams, what would they be?
Current 5
Plus
Taniwha (Northland/NH plays at Albany)
Bays (Bay/Hawkes plays at Tauranga)
Cowpokes (Taranaki/Manawatu plays at New Plymouth)
If it were only one in an ANZ competition, I imagine that a team based in Labany would be easiest.
Bays is actually quite a good name. For a tricky divide. Hawkes Bay is the hardest to incorporate.
- North Auckland (revive the historic name)
- Bays (BOP. Poverty Bay, East Coast, Hawkes Bay
- Lower North Island (or LNI) - (Taranaki, Wanganui, Manawatu)
Hurricanes retain Howowhenua and Wairarapa in their franchise catchment.
Chiefs retain Thames Valley and King Country, but loose Counties.Blues, Chiefs, Hurricances, Highlanders, Crusaders - regain their original georgraphical monikers.
Big stuffs to Southlanders and Tasmaners moaning about their names. Southlanders have put up with in cricket for a century ....
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@gt12 said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Just for fun, if there were 8 teams, what would they be?
Current 5
Plus
Taniwha (Northland/NH plays at Albany)
Bays (Bay/Hawkes plays at Tauranga)
Cowpokes (Taranaki/Manawatu plays at New Plymouth)
If it were only one in an ANZ competition, I imagine that a team based in Labany would be easiest.
Bays is actually quite a good name. For a tricky divide. Hawkes Bay is the hardest to incorporate.
- North Auckland (revive the historic name)
- Bays (BOP. Poverty Bay, East Coast, Hawkes Bay
- Lower North Island (or LNI) - (Taranaki, Wanganui, Manawatu)
Hurricanes retain Howowhenua and Wairarapa in their franchise catchment.
Chiefs retain Thames Valley and King Country, but loose Counties.Blues, Chiefs, Hurricances, Highlanders, Crusaders - regain their original georgraphical monikers.
Big stuffs to Southlanders and Tasmaners moaning about their names. Southlanders have put up with in cricket for a century ....
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"Southerns" sounds better to me, ive kind of got over the "creative" franchise names to be honest, hence my avatar, a combo of Otago and southland logos
real simple summary of my thoughts, i'd like a more simple comp and so making the existing unions fully profession makes sense to me...
But i understand its not as easy as that and so will accept almost anything as long as there is some logic and inclusion of the smaller unions in it, away jerseys being one of the other unions colours for example
Using the Highlanders as an example, Gold is a common colour between Otago, North otago and Southland so maybe we should have used it more
i follow Otago boy high, Dunedin RFC, Otago, Highlanders and obviously the AB's...when ive had to explain that to people in the UK or Aus and how there is very little connection between those all anymore it makes me realise the system is a bit broke and we should try and align things a bit more
