Hurricanes 2020
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There's clearly something going on with Spencer apart from Covid 19. Maybe he wanted to he considered for the head role but wasn't. Or maybe there's a clash between Holland and Spencer. Because if all was sweet he would have stayed for another 6 games and then stepped down. So rugby fans can see through all the bullshit
It reminds me a bit of Watt being let go. Forget the bullshit and be up front. Canes need to do a lot more on this front. They need to improve their website (some players are not even listed). provide more info on players status (for eg whats happened to Numia). In general start HONESTLY communcating with the fans more. For eg explaining some of these weird selections. CoacheS should do a weekly report say to justify their selections and why some players are overlooked etc.
Overall the current CE isn't doing a great job (not even close). And NZR need to have a system where poor performing CE are helped. In an attempt to raise the bar esp for the slackers.
Plumtree said it was a difficult decision to let such a loyal member of the franchise go, but it was time for a change.
"Absolutely it was difficult, but we had to make that call. Watty has been involved with Wellington and the Hurricanes for a long period and done a fantastic job.@Winger said in Hurricanes 2020:
There's clearly something going on with Spencer apart from Covid 19. Maybe he wanted to he considered for the head role but wasn't. Or maybe there's a clash between Holland and Spencer. Because if all was sweet he would have stayed for another 6 games and then stepped down. So rugby fans can see through all the bullshit
It reminds me a bit of Watt being let go. Forget the bullshit and be up front. Canes need to do a lot more on this front. They need to improve their website (some players are not even listed). provide more info on players status (for eg whats happened to Numia). In general start HONESTLY communcating with the fans more. For eg explaining some of these weird selections. CoacheS should do a weekly report say to justify their selections and why some players are overlooked etc.
Overall the current CE isn't doing a great job (not even close). And NZR need to have a system where poor performing CE are helped. In an attempt to raise the bar esp for the slackers.
Plumtree said it was a difficult decision to let such a loyal member of the franchise go, but it was time for a change.
"Absolutely it was difficult, but we had to make that call. Watty has been involved with Wellington and the Hurricanes for a long period and done a fantastic job.
And it would eb ebtter to say nothing or to be up front about it
Good to see you keep your conspiracy mindset sharp for rugby matters as well
I see the explanation from Los as being perfectly understandable. He was a dead man walking. No one likes working out a long notice.
Saw a chance to spend time with the family and put some efforts into re-planning his career.
Maybe there were some underlying things that helped that decision be easier to make but 'something going on', 'bullshit' and demands to 'be upfront' are plain stupid unless you have evidence to the contrary.
Maybe he didn't see himself as having a future there anyway and stepped early to give CJ a chance? Nah, that wouldn't be salacious enough. -
Some Hurricanes contract info in this article
Barrett’s contract allows him to explore other New Zealand franchises in 2021 but, after a powerhouse return from a shoulder injury, Lee was confident he’d be in the yellow jersey again next year.I suspect he'll have an offer from the Blues to consider
Loose forwards Vaea Fifita and Gareth Evans, and first five-eighth Jackson Garden-Bachop are among those off contract at season’s endFafita is worth keeping
@Duluth I take anything Avan Lee says with a grain of salt. He was also confident Beauden was staying until he didn't, and the promise he made around the signing of a quality first five for next hasn't yet eventuated.
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@Duluth said in Hurricanes 2020:
Fafita is worth keeping
Agree. But maybe for Fifita's benefit he may be best off to move elsewhere. As these coaches don't seem to be able to get the best from him. Or rate him. Hes in for eg. a different league to say Blackwell at lock but isn't rated highly enough.
I hope they can also keep JGB too. He does the basics well. And Hickey doesn't full me with excitement. The key for the Canes is to keep Barrett. Without him (and esp with a limited player like Tiatia at FB) the Canes backline is a bit limited. For me he should be the AB fullback. He's better in this position than his brother
@Winger said in Hurricanes 2020:
@Duluth said in Hurricanes 2020:
Fafita is worth keeping
Agree. But maybe for Fifita's benefit he may be best off to move elsewhere. As these coaches don't seem to be able to get the best from him. Or rate him. Hes in for eg. a different league to say Blackwell at lock but isn't rated highly enough.
I hope they can also keep JGB too. He does the basics well. And Hickey doesn't full me with excitement. The key for the Canes is to keep Barrett. Without him (and esp with a limited player like Tiatia at FB) the Canes backline is a bit limited. For me he should be the AB fullback. He's better in this position than his brother
Digging deeply into the memorybanks I seem to recall Fifita and Michael Fatialofa were the two locks that closed out the season the year the Hurricanes won the Title. He is now not even rated the number three blindside nor in the best two locks so something is obviously going on behind the scenes. His slump in form seems to have co-insided with the Plumtree's tenure of head coach commencing. At that time Plumtree announced to the world that Fifita was a lock whilst Steve Hansen was equally adamant that he was a blindside. Being placed behind Reid Princep must be a telling indicator that "we don't rate you or want you here any more" message to the kid.
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Those not selected for the Canes this week and playing club rugby in Wellington are.
Peter Umaga Jensen (Wainuiomata)
Chase Tiatia (HOBM)
Salesi Rayasi (HOBM)
Jackson Garden-Bachop (Norths) -
@Nepia same, especially considering Lam is shooting off soon.
@Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2020:
@Nepia same, especially considering Lam is shooting off soon.
The coach has a hard on for South African wings though it seems. Midget locks, Saffa wings, journeyman loosies, barely NPC level 10s ... seriously WTF is going on in Wellington? :astonished_face:
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2020:
@Nepia same, especially considering Lam is shooting off soon.
The coach has a hard on for South African wings though it seems. Midget locks, Saffa wings, journeyman loosies, barely NPC level 10s ... seriously WTF is going on in Wellington? :astonished_face:
@Nepia who knows? I've been scratching my head most of the season in regards to selection.
This Canes side would look alot more potent if we had the likes of Rayasi, Aumua, IWL, Toala, Flanders and a good first five in the 23.
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@Crucial said in Hurricanes 2020:
Hammet is looking for a new gig isn't he?
Damn, I really want to know what @Canes4life's two posts to you were.
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@Crucial said in Hurricanes 2020:
Hammet is looking for a new gig isn't he?
Damn, I really want to know what @Canes4life's two posts to you were.
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@Crucial said in Hurricanes 2020:
Hammet is looking for a new gig isn't he?
Damn, I really want to know what @Canes4life's two posts to you were.
@Nepia said in Hurricanes 2020:
@Crucial said in Hurricanes 2020:
Hammet is looking for a new gig isn't he?
Damn, I really want to know what @Canes4life's two posts to you were.
Something like
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@Winger said in Hurricanes 2020:
@Duluth said in Hurricanes 2020:
Fafita is worth keeping
Agree. But maybe for Fifita's benefit he may be best off to move elsewhere. As these coaches don't seem to be able to get the best from him. Or rate him. Hes in for eg. a different league to say Blackwell at lock but isn't rated highly enough.
I hope they can also keep JGB too. He does the basics well. And Hickey doesn't full me with excitement. The key for the Canes is to keep Barrett. Without him (and esp with a limited player like Tiatia at FB) the Canes backline is a bit limited. For me he should be the AB fullback. He's better in this position than his brother
Digging deeply into the memorybanks I seem to recall Fifita and Michael Fatialofa were the two locks that closed out the season the year the Hurricanes won the Title. He is now not even rated the number three blindside nor in the best two locks so something is obviously going on behind the scenes. His slump in form seems to have co-insided with the Plumtree's tenure of head coach commencing. At that time Plumtree announced to the world that Fifita was a lock whilst Steve Hansen was equally adamant that he was a blindside. Being placed behind Reid Princep must be a telling indicator that "we don't rate you or want you here any more" message to the kid.
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Spencer left cos...
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@taniwharugby Carlos first played for Horowhenua as a 17 year-old. in 1992. 28 years later and he can still play a decent standard of club Rugby.
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From a media article about club rugby in Hawke's Bay, I understand that:
Jonah Lowe played on the wing for Clive and scored two tries; and
Danny Toala came off the bench and played well at fullback for Hastings.No mention of Isaia Walker-Leawere in the article, so I don't know whether he played this weekend.
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From a media article about club rugby in Hawke's Bay, I understand that:
Jonah Lowe played on the wing for Clive and scored two tries; and
Danny Toala came off the bench and played well at fullback for Hastings.No mention of Isaia Walker-Leawere in the article, so I don't know whether he played this weekend.
@Stargazer I know this isn’t the right topic but what are your thoughts on Visignia signing for the Bay this NPC?
The form he was in when he left was really good maybe the Canes could grab him to take Lams free space.
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@Stargazer I know this isn’t the right topic but what are your thoughts on Visignia signing for the Bay this NPC?
The form he was in when he left was really good maybe the Canes could grab him to take Lams free space.
@mikey07 In the Magpies 2020 thread you can read the info from the HBRU about the signing. I think the "add size" argument may be spot on. Although I normally have reservations about bringing in players from outside the province, if that's what the coaches were looking for and they couldn't find a good, big wing in the Bay (that may have to do with our demographic), he may be a good addition.
You always have to wait and see how well a player plays after returning from overseas, but if he goes well, who knows, he might be a candidate to replace Ben Lam at the Canes?
