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    #1427

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300054975/super-rugby-aotearoa-the-ioane-brothers-were-still-big-winners-in-blues-loss

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      #1428

      I saw a few posts about Sotutu being injured. Does anyone have more info?

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      • DuluthD Offline
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        #1429

        Reiko, Barrett & DC having a kicking contest

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        • KiwiMurphK Online
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          #1430

          A very interesting read on Akira

          alt text

          https://tiponrugby.substack.com/p/centre-of-attention

          His workload over 2018 and 2019 included 80-minute performances in 28 of his team’s 32 games, and between 2016 and 2019 he bore the highest workload in attack of any of the players charted above: he contributed 9.4% of his team’s carries during this period, while also beating defenders the most regularly and making more metres per carry than everyone except Ardie Savea and Dalton Papali’i. (Ioane averaged 2.1 more carries per 80 minutes than Savea over this period, and 6.3 more than Papali’i.)
          
          This data cannot prove or disprove that Ioane met the standards that the All Blacks selectors were asking him to meet, but it does provide evidence to contradict the assertion that only now is he providing an acceptable level of on-field performance.
          
          It is also notable that a number of positive public comments from those selectors and his Blues coaches over the last few years have been largely ignored in the framing of his story. Grant Fox’s acknowledgement prior to the 2018 end-of-year tour that Ioane was “getting better at the areas he's been asked to improve at” was published under a headline suggesting that his “star [was] on the wane”, and Leon MacDonald’s comments at the beginning of this season that Ioane had “trained really well, [and] is fit and hungry” did nothing to stop his non-selection for the opening rounds of Super Rugby being painted in the same light.
          
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          • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

            A very interesting read on Akira

            alt text

            https://tiponrugby.substack.com/p/centre-of-attention

            His workload over 2018 and 2019 included 80-minute performances in 28 of his team’s 32 games, and between 2016 and 2019 he bore the highest workload in attack of any of the players charted above: he contributed 9.4% of his team’s carries during this period, while also beating defenders the most regularly and making more metres per carry than everyone except Ardie Savea and Dalton Papali’i. (Ioane averaged 2.1 more carries per 80 minutes than Savea over this period, and 6.3 more than Papali’i.)
            
            This data cannot prove or disprove that Ioane met the standards that the All Blacks selectors were asking him to meet, but it does provide evidence to contradict the assertion that only now is he providing an acceptable level of on-field performance.
            
            It is also notable that a number of positive public comments from those selectors and his Blues coaches over the last few years have been largely ignored in the framing of his story. Grant Fox’s acknowledgement prior to the 2018 end-of-year tour that Ioane was “getting better at the areas he's been asked to improve at” was published under a headline suggesting that his “star [was] on the wane”, and Leon MacDonald’s comments at the beginning of this season that Ioane had “trained really well, [and] is fit and hungry” did nothing to stop his non-selection for the opening rounds of Super Rugby being painted in the same light.
            
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            @KiwiMurph

            Fascinating blog - those stats indicate that the Chiefs were fucking suicidal to let Coventry go - and that the forward pack of the Blues is as good as it looks.

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            • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

              A very interesting read on Akira

              alt text

              https://tiponrugby.substack.com/p/centre-of-attention

              His workload over 2018 and 2019 included 80-minute performances in 28 of his team’s 32 games, and between 2016 and 2019 he bore the highest workload in attack of any of the players charted above: he contributed 9.4% of his team’s carries during this period, while also beating defenders the most regularly and making more metres per carry than everyone except Ardie Savea and Dalton Papali’i. (Ioane averaged 2.1 more carries per 80 minutes than Savea over this period, and 6.3 more than Papali’i.)
              
              This data cannot prove or disprove that Ioane met the standards that the All Blacks selectors were asking him to meet, but it does provide evidence to contradict the assertion that only now is he providing an acceptable level of on-field performance.
              
              It is also notable that a number of positive public comments from those selectors and his Blues coaches over the last few years have been largely ignored in the framing of his story. Grant Fox’s acknowledgement prior to the 2018 end-of-year tour that Ioane was “getting better at the areas he's been asked to improve at” was published under a headline suggesting that his “star [was] on the wane”, and Leon MacDonald’s comments at the beginning of this season that Ioane had “trained really well, [and] is fit and hungry” did nothing to stop his non-selection for the opening rounds of Super Rugby being painted in the same light.
              
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              @KiwiMurph said in Blues 2020:

              A very interesting read on Akira

              No one ever questioned Akira Ioane's desire to run the ball. It was his refusal to commit to the clean out that clearly irked the AB selectors. There is a lot more to being a loose forward than running the ball.

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              • Cantab79C Cantab79

                @KiwiMurph said in Blues 2020:

                A very interesting read on Akira

                No one ever questioned Akira Ioane's desire to run the ball. It was his refusal to commit to the clean out that clearly irked the AB selectors. There is a lot more to being a loose forward than running the ball.

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                #1433

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                • Cantab79C Cantab79

                  @KiwiMurph said in Blues 2020:

                  A very interesting read on Akira

                  No one ever questioned Akira Ioane's desire to run the ball. It was his refusal to commit to the clean out that clearly irked the AB selectors. There is a lot more to being a loose forward than running the ball.

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                  #1434

                  @Cantab79 said in Blues 2020:

                  @KiwiMurph said in Blues 2020:

                  A very interesting read on Akira

                  No one ever questioned Akira Ioane's desire to run the ball. It was his refusal to commit to the clean out that clearly irked the AB selectors. There is a lot more to being a loose forward than running the ball.

                  Sheesh AC, now you’re attacking your cousin on multiple forums. 😛The Blues used him as a runner, and like some of us have been telling TSF for the past couple of years they worked him like crazy.

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                  • NepiaN Nepia

                    @Cantab79 said in Blues 2020:

                    @KiwiMurph said in Blues 2020:

                    A very interesting read on Akira

                    No one ever questioned Akira Ioane's desire to run the ball. It was his refusal to commit to the clean out that clearly irked the AB selectors. There is a lot more to being a loose forward than running the ball.

                    Sheesh AC, now you’re attacking your cousin on multiple forums. 😛The Blues used him as a runner, and like some of us have been telling TSF for the past couple of years they worked him like crazy.

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                    @Nepia 2018 was a classic year for Ioane. Dominated in all aspects and was virtually playing on his own for the Blues then dominated for Auckland and people still made excuse after excuse as to why he shouldn't be picked.

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                      #1436

                      I have attended the Rennie,Coventry practice sessions on the lovely field at Ruakura.Everything they did was accurate and precise.Some of Coventry’s work with the forwards on a paddock near the railway line was legendary for its intensity.The odd flare up was known to occur.Akira may be benefiting from some of that work.

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                        you'd have to think watching from the sidelines behind Sotutu and Robinson would have been good for him too!

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                          #1438

                          Karl T playing off the bench for Takapuna tomorrow, so probably still working through his injury.

                          https://www.facebook.com/TakapunaRugby/posts/3114897725298173

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                            • DiceD Offline
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                              Dice
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                              #1440

                              https://www.skysports.com/rugby-union/news/12325/12033963/joe-marchant-looks-back-on-his-super-rugby-stint-with-the-blues

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                              • DiceD Dice

                                https://www.skysports.com/rugby-union/news/12325/12033963/joe-marchant-looks-back-on-his-super-rugby-stint-with-the-blues

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                                #1441

                                @Dice thanks matey, interesting read. He did well with us, was a good squad addition.

                                Recruitment is going to be fascinating at the end of the year, Blues are finally a credible destination

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                                  #1442

                                  Blues have been out and about this week.

                                  Have attended trainings at Kelston Boys, College Rifles and Marist.

                                  Good stuff.

                                  EDIT - turns out they sent players to 19 different clubs for junior rugby trainings on Wednesday night. Great work.

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                                    #1443

                                    Was just having a look at the match stats for each game, and what popped out to me was the amount of tackles we've made/attempted.

                                    Tackles Made/Tackles Attempted

                                    Week 1 vs Hurricanes - 152/174
                                    Week 2 vs Chiefs - 143/161
                                    Week 3 vs Highlanders - 109/124
                                    Week 4 vs Crusaders - 146/171
                                    Week 5 vs Hurricanes - 176/207

                                    Total - 726/837

                                    Average Per Game - 145/167

                                    In our 7 games earlier in the year, the total tackles made/attempted was 713/828(102/118 per game), so we've made more tackles in 5 games of SRA than we did in the 7 games pre-covid.

                                    Our penalty count has not helped with this(although we had a penalty issue earlier in the year too), but we're also kicking quite a lot with 27 kicks per game.

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                                    • DiceD Dice

                                      Was just having a look at the match stats for each game, and what popped out to me was the amount of tackles we've made/attempted.

                                      Tackles Made/Tackles Attempted

                                      Week 1 vs Hurricanes - 152/174
                                      Week 2 vs Chiefs - 143/161
                                      Week 3 vs Highlanders - 109/124
                                      Week 4 vs Crusaders - 146/171
                                      Week 5 vs Hurricanes - 176/207

                                      Total - 726/837

                                      Average Per Game - 145/167

                                      In our 7 games earlier in the year, the total tackles made/attempted was 713/828(102/118 per game), so we've made more tackles in 5 games of SRA than we did in the 7 games pre-covid.

                                      Our penalty count has not helped with this(although we had a penalty issue earlier in the year too), but we're also kicking quite a lot with 27 kicks per game.

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                                      nzzp
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                                      #1444

                                      @Dice good work fella, appreciate the thoughts.

                                      If you have a strong forward pack and sound defence, you'll be a contender. Coventry has finally had an effect, and we have both scored Maul tries, and managed to defend some mauls as well - just outstanding from a forward pack that was dynamic at times, but woefully weak in maul defence.

                                      You get the feeling that if we click and get some confidence, we could tear apart some teams. People having fun out there, and it shows... but still working bloody hard for each other. Long may it last

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                                      • DiceD Dice

                                        Was just having a look at the match stats for each game, and what popped out to me was the amount of tackles we've made/attempted.

                                        Tackles Made/Tackles Attempted

                                        Week 1 vs Hurricanes - 152/174
                                        Week 2 vs Chiefs - 143/161
                                        Week 3 vs Highlanders - 109/124
                                        Week 4 vs Crusaders - 146/171
                                        Week 5 vs Hurricanes - 176/207

                                        Total - 726/837

                                        Average Per Game - 145/167

                                        In our 7 games earlier in the year, the total tackles made/attempted was 713/828(102/118 per game), so we've made more tackles in 5 games of SRA than we did in the 7 games pre-covid.

                                        Our penalty count has not helped with this(although we had a penalty issue earlier in the year too), but we're also kicking quite a lot with 27 kicks per game.

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                                        nzzp
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                                        #1445

                                        @Dice said in Blues 2020:

                                        Our penalty count has not helped with this

                                        the goddamned offensive penalties we have conceded this year make me want to throw things. What's super irritating is that the pedantic calls seem to now just be ignored ... I'm such a supporter of clear and consistent rulings, but it's only taken a few rounds for refs to just shrug their shoulders and swallow their whistles.

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                                        • DiceD Dice

                                          Was just having a look at the match stats for each game, and what popped out to me was the amount of tackles we've made/attempted.

                                          Tackles Made/Tackles Attempted

                                          Week 1 vs Hurricanes - 152/174
                                          Week 2 vs Chiefs - 143/161
                                          Week 3 vs Highlanders - 109/124
                                          Week 4 vs Crusaders - 146/171
                                          Week 5 vs Hurricanes - 176/207

                                          Total - 726/837

                                          Average Per Game - 145/167

                                          In our 7 games earlier in the year, the total tackles made/attempted was 713/828(102/118 per game), so we've made more tackles in 5 games of SRA than we did in the 7 games pre-covid.

                                          Our penalty count has not helped with this(although we had a penalty issue earlier in the year too), but we're also kicking quite a lot with 27 kicks per game.

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                                          Duluth
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                                          #1446

                                          @Dice said in Blues 2020:

                                          Was just having a look at the match stats for each game, and what popped out to me was the amount of tackles we've made/attempted.

                                          There's been a reasonable number of defensive errors/individuals getting exposed. What's saved us all year has been the scrambling defence has been extremely good.
                                          Fitness, high standards and forwards to get back on their feet faster than previous years all contribute to that

                                          The last couple of weeks the scramble has dropped off a bit which is concerning.

                                          Remember a few seasons ago the Highlanders had a kick chase game and their forwards were racking up huge tackle stats.. then the defence fell away.. the cumulative effort took the toll in the last 3rd of the season

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