'Super Rugby' 2021
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@Kruse said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Tim said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
https://australia.rugby/news/2020/07/17/rugby-au-statement-nzr-decision
Rugby Australia acknowledges New Zealand Rugby’s preferred position following their announcement today regarding a potential future provincial competition from 2021 and look forward to working constructively with New Zealand Rugby in the coming weeks.
Rugby Australia will also continue its discussions with stakeholders in Australia and is in constant consultation with our valued SANZAAR Joint Venture partners.
Due to impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic, Rugby Australia recognises that there is a need to review the sustainability and practicality of the current Super Rugby competition and consider alternative models that are in the best interests of Australian Rugby from 2021 and beyond.
Well, at least Rugby Australia understood the whole concept of NZR's announcement, even if (some of) their easily triggered fans did not.
NZR did a study, and released their preferred position. ie: making public their opening position for any discussions and then negotiations to come.
Not being belligerent.
Not even being aggressive.
Not asking Australia to do anything.
Not dictating shit.
Just... "we actually put some thought into this, and this is what we think would be great... how about everybody else, what do you guys envision?"Is that true though? Have you read the statement? Because it hardly reads as 'here is what we think might be nice in future,what do you think guys?'.
For instance, "the NZR board has committed to establishing a new professional team competition in 2021." Pretty black and white there.
Also "We will also be working with Rugby Australia to seek expressions of interest from their current Super clubs and other interested parties"
They aren't asking us what we think, they are asking us if we are going to join the competition they have now committed to establishing.
Look I'm not stupid enough to think what the NZRU say is what will definitely end up as the end product. But it's hard not to see this as a not-so-subtle attempt to strongarm RA into playing ball with their vision.
And that's fine, it may well work. Or RA may choose not to be involved. It's all on the table still.
@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
For instance, "the NZR board has committed to establishing a new professional team competition in 2021." Pretty black and white there.
I read that as... "There's not going to be Super Rugby as it was in the past... but something new, and we are committed to being a part of that"
Nothing more, nothing less. Reading into it "there's going to be a new team competition, and we're going to control it" - is certainly not "black and white".
Yeah - I guess I see where you're coming from with the choice of words... in that it could be interpreted a certain way. But I think if anybody were to do so... they're creating a conflict where none need exist. And I like the fact that Rugby Australia didn't take that approach. -
@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
For instance, "the NZR board has committed to establishing a new professional team competition in 2021." Pretty black and white there.
I read that as... "There's not going to be Super Rugby as it was in the past... but something new, and we are committed to being a part of that"
Nothing more, nothing less. Reading into it "there's going to be a new team competition, and we're going to control it" - is certainly not "black and white".
Yeah - I guess I see where you're coming from with the choice of words... in that it could be interpreted a certain way. But I think if anybody were to do so... they're creating a conflict where none need exist. And I like the fact that Rugby Australia didn't take that approach.@Kruse said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
For instance, "the NZR board has committed to establishing a new professional team competition in 2021." Pretty black and white there.
I read that as... "There's not going to be Super Rugby as it was in the past... but something new, and we are committed to being a part of that"
Nothing more, nothing less. Reading into it "there's going to be a new team competition, and we're going to control it" - is certainly not "black and white".
Yeah - I guess I see where you're coming from with the choice of words... in that it could be interpreted a certain way. But I think if anybody were to do so... they're creating a conflict where none need exist.Is that surprising given the mentality displayed by broadcast commentators, the coach, etc over a period of years?
And I like the fact that Rugby Australia didn't take that approach.
Ditto. Strange what professional administration can look like.
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It's not just the cost of the team. The cost of the travel. The fucking distance. Everything.
And thats IF twiggy puts in coin without a significant say in the deal.
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@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Billy-Tell it's not really about swallowing our pride. You are basically asking us to abandon any hope of every having a rugby presence in a particular state. Is that pride?
Given NZ are being so belligerent i wouldn't be particularly upset if we just didn't participate.
Well the solution is simple; don't. Why does NZR have to continue supporting rugby in Australia?
@antipodean How exactly to NZ support Australian rugby? by deigning to play us? is your perfect world one where only NZ play professional rugby?
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@antipodean How exactly to NZ support Australian rugby? by deigning to play us? is your perfect world one where only NZ play professional rugby?
@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean How exactly to NZ support Australian rugby? by deigning to play us? is your perfect world one where only NZ play professional rugby?
You're quite belligerent,
Why don't you tell us what you are bringing to the table? Try to keep it real, not theoretical.
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@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean How exactly to NZ support Australian rugby? by deigning to play us? is your perfect world one where only NZ play professional rugby?
You're quite belligerent,
Why don't you tell us what you are bringing to the table? Try to keep it real, not theoretical.
@mariner4life Im not gunna respond if you answer my question with a question.
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As I thought
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@antipodean How exactly to NZ support Australian rugby? by deigning to play us? is your perfect world one where only NZ play professional rugby?
@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean How exactly to NZ support Australian rugby? by deigning to play us?
Why do you think there's been a Bledisloe fixture every year for over 30 years?
is your perfect world one where only NZ play professional rugby?
No
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@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean How exactly to NZ support Australian rugby? by deigning to play us?
Why do you think there's been a Bledisloe fixture every year for over 30 years?
is your perfect world one where only NZ play professional rugby?
No
@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean How exactly to NZ support Australian rugby? by deigning to play us?
Why do you think there's been a Bledisloe fixture every year for over 30 years?
is your perfect world one where only NZ play professional rugby?
No
The extra Bleds were offered to help Oz. The deal of the first game in Oz every year was to help Oz. NZR has done a fair bit to prop up Oz
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I reckon what might end up happening is 2021 brings a 10 team comp, 5 NZ and 5 Aus.
I struggle to see how they can develop a viable, competitive Pacifika team in just six months. Therefore they will look to have that ready by 2022.
The comp can then be reviewed after one year and remain at 10 (with an Aus team dropping out), go to 11 or even 12 if Japan shows some interest.
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I reckon what might end up happening is 2021 brings a 10 team comp, 5 NZ and 5 Aus.
I struggle to see how they can develop a viable, competitive Pacifika team in just six months. Therefore they will look to have that ready by 2022.
The comp can then be reviewed after one year and remain at 10 (with an Aus team dropping out), go to 11 or even 12 if Japan shows some interest.
@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I reckon what might end up happening is 2021 brings a 10 team comp, 5 NZ and 5 Aus.
I struggle to see how they can develop a viable, competitive Pacifika team in just six months. Therefore they will look to have that ready by 2022.
The comp can then be reviewed after one year and remain at 10 (with an Aus team dropping out), go to 11 or even 12 if Japan shows some interest.
Yeah no way you can invent a team in less than 6 months, not to a decent level
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@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I reckon what might end up happening is 2021 brings a 10 team comp, 5 NZ and 5 Aus.
I struggle to see how they can develop a viable, competitive Pacifika team in just six months. Therefore they will look to have that ready by 2022.
The comp can then be reviewed after one year and remain at 10 (with an Aus team dropping out), go to 11 or even 12 if Japan shows some interest.
Yeah no way you can invent a team in less than 6 months, not to a decent level
@Machpants not without pillaging the other 9 teams.
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fuck the Force. They were consistently shit, made lots of bad decisions. And WA is basically another country.
I would be very happy with a 9 team trans-tasman comp. 5 NZ 4 Aus, home and away, finals.
Perth just makes everything harder.
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
fuck the Force. They were consistently shit, made lots of bad decisions. And WA is basically another country.
I would be very happy with a 9 team trans-tasman comp. 5 NZ 4 Aus, home and away, finals.
Perth just makes everything harder.
Yeah - I'm on the FTF bandwagon.
If South Africa is involved then those long-haul flights aren't such an anomaly, but NZ-Eastern Oz-Pacific - that can pretty much all be done with a 3 hour international flight (a bit more for Dunedin, etc).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Force
And looking at the tally of Force results - they never brought enough to the table.
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@Machpants not without pillaging the other 9 teams.
@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Machpants not without pillaging the other 9 teams.
Lotsa money and they could pillage the North, but that's not going to happen
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As well, we will also be working with Rugby Australia to seek expressions of interest from their current Super clubs and other interested parties to join the competition and that work will begin in earnestHow likely is this scenario?
- ARU says 5 clubs or 0 clubs
- NSW, Queensland, Brumbies etc apply for licenses anyway
- ARU can't stop them
- NZR is in control of the competition and just has to deal with the license holders
The ARU is disorganised
The states have robust political competition and don't give a fuck about each other -
As well, we will also be working with Rugby Australia to seek expressions of interest from their current Super clubs and other interested parties to join the competition and that work will begin in earnestHow likely is this scenario?
- ARU says 5 clubs or 0 clubs
- NSW, Queensland, Brumbies etc apply for licenses anyway
- ARU can't stop them
- NZR is in control of the competition and just has to deal with the license holders
The ARU is disorganised
The states have robust political competition and don't give a fuck about each other -
Yeah it would be bad for Aus rugby. They would have to create a Wallabies side from GRR and SR but have no control over the competitions
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As well, we will also be working with Rugby Australia to seek expressions of interest from their current Super clubs and other interested parties to join the competition and that work will begin in earnestHow likely is this scenario?
- ARU says 5 clubs or 0 clubs
- NSW, Queensland, Brumbies etc apply for licenses anyway
- ARU can't stop them
- NZR is in control of the competition and just has to deal with the license holders
The ARU is disorganised
The states have robust political competition and don't give a fuck about each other
