'Super Rugby' 2021

[mofitzy_]

Good move although still needs to make up the money somehow surely.

[mariner4life]

@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:

@antipodean How exactly to NZ support Australian rugby? by deigning to play us? is your perfect world one where only NZ play professional rugby?

You're quite belligerent,

Why don't you tell us what you are bringing to the table? Try to keep it real, not theoretical.

[Derpus]

@mariner4life Im not gunna respond if you answer my question with a question.

[mariner4life]

As I thought

[antipodean]

@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:

@antipodean How exactly to NZ support Australian rugby? by deigning to play us?

Why do you think there's been a Bledisloe fixture every year for over 30 years?

is your perfect world one where only NZ play professional rugby?

No

[Machpants]

@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:

@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:

@antipodean How exactly to NZ support Australian rugby? by deigning to play us?

Why do you think there's been a Bledisloe fixture every year for over 30 years?

is your perfect world one where only NZ play professional rugby?

No

The extra Bleds were offered to help Oz. The deal of the first game in Oz every year was to help Oz. NZR has done a fair bit to prop up Oz

[barbarian]

I reckon what might end up happening is 2021 brings a 10 team comp, 5 NZ and 5 Aus.

I struggle to see how they can develop a viable, competitive Pacifika team in just six months. Therefore they will look to have that ready by 2022.

The comp can then be reviewed after one year and remain at 10 (with an Aus team dropping out), go to 11 or even 12 if Japan shows some interest.

[Machpants]

@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:

I reckon what might end up happening is 2021 brings a 10 team comp, 5 NZ and 5 Aus.

I struggle to see how they can develop a viable, competitive Pacifika team in just six months. Therefore they will look to have that ready by 2022.

The comp can then be reviewed after one year and remain at 10 (with an Aus team dropping out), go to 11 or even 12 if Japan shows some interest.

Yeah no way you can invent a team in less than 6 months, not to a decent level

[barbarian]

@Machpants not without pillaging the other 9 teams.

[Chris B.]

@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:

fuck the Force. They were consistently shit, made lots of bad decisions. And WA is basically another country.

I would be very happy with a 9 team trans-tasman comp. 5 NZ 4 Aus, home and away, finals.

Perth just makes everything harder.

Yeah - I'm on the FTF bandwagon.

If South Africa is involved then those long-haul flights aren't such an anomaly, but NZ-Eastern Oz-Pacific - that can pretty much all be done with a 3 hour international flight (a bit more for Dunedin, etc).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Force

And looking at the tally of Force results - they never brought enough to the table.

[Machpants]

@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:

@Machpants not without pillaging the other 9 teams.

Lotsa money and they could pillage the North, but that's not going to happen

[Duluth]

As well, we will also be working with Rugby Australia to seek expressions of interest from their current Super clubs and other interested parties to join the competition and that work will begin in earnest

How likely is this scenario?

• ARU says 5 clubs or 0 clubs
• NSW, Queensland, Brumbies etc apply for licenses anyway
• ARU can't stop them
• NZR is in control of the competition and just has to deal with the license holders

The ARU is disorganised
The states have robust political competition and don't give a fuck about each other

[Machpants]

@Duluth Ouch, I'd hope not. I'd rather an amicable arrangement that helps both Unions

[Duluth]

@Machpants

Yeah it would be bad for Aus rugby. They would have to create a Wallabies side from GRR and SR but have no control over the competitions

[barbarian]

@Duluth Very unlikely. States won't ditch RA, it effectively would be a mutiny. For all the Board turmoil, things are pretty united right now.

And I really doubt RA would go down a '5 teams or zero' road.

[Snowy]

@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:

And I really doubt RA would go down a '5 teams or zero' road.

It would be unwise, but they do have seem to have that reputation.

[Nepia]

@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:

@Duluth Ouch, I'd hope not. I'd rather an amicable arrangement that helps both Unions

I think it will get to that eventually. Oz will propose all five teams, NZ will say nope, Oz will either say ok or twiggy will bankroll the entire WA entry including getting NZ teams there, then hopefully they both agree to ditch the PI team.

[barbarian]

From the start RA wanted a 10 team TT comp with a view to future expansion into PI and Japan.

What the NZRU have proposed is so close to this I really can't see them being unhappy.

[shark]

The way this is unfolding, I'd prefer a Super Ten with five teams each from NZ and Australia. If Australia can't sort it's shit out and four or five of their sides are consistently just fodder for the NZ squads, then so be it. I just hope the Aussie viewers don't mind if they don't have any semi-finalists year on year. But I want to see a full round robin or home and away RR. None of this conference bullshit which only serves to unfairly advantage poor Australian squads. Nine rounds and a bye week is too brief. With finals that's not even a three month comp. Double RR with two bye rounds is 22 weeks or a little more than five months. Mid Feb to late July.

[Derpus]

@Duluth Won't happen purely because the states receive a large portion of their funding from RA. Most of the better players are on RA contracts as well. They would become unviable.