'Super Rugby' 2021
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fuck the Force. They were consistently shit, made lots of bad decisions. And WA is basically another country.
I would be very happy with a 9 team trans-tasman comp. 5 NZ 4 Aus, home and away, finals.
Perth just makes everything harder.
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
fuck the Force. They were consistently shit, made lots of bad decisions. And WA is basically another country.
I would be very happy with a 9 team trans-tasman comp. 5 NZ 4 Aus, home and away, finals.
Perth just makes everything harder.
Yeah - I'm on the FTF bandwagon.
If South Africa is involved then those long-haul flights aren't such an anomaly, but NZ-Eastern Oz-Pacific - that can pretty much all be done with a 3 hour international flight (a bit more for Dunedin, etc).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Force
And looking at the tally of Force results - they never brought enough to the table.
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@Machpants not without pillaging the other 9 teams.
@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Machpants not without pillaging the other 9 teams.
Lotsa money and they could pillage the North, but that's not going to happen
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As well, we will also be working with Rugby Australia to seek expressions of interest from their current Super clubs and other interested parties to join the competition and that work will begin in earnestHow likely is this scenario?
- ARU says 5 clubs or 0 clubs
- NSW, Queensland, Brumbies etc apply for licenses anyway
- ARU can't stop them
- NZR is in control of the competition and just has to deal with the license holders
The ARU is disorganised
The states have robust political competition and don't give a fuck about each other -
As well, we will also be working with Rugby Australia to seek expressions of interest from their current Super clubs and other interested parties to join the competition and that work will begin in earnestHow likely is this scenario?
- ARU says 5 clubs or 0 clubs
- NSW, Queensland, Brumbies etc apply for licenses anyway
- ARU can't stop them
- NZR is in control of the competition and just has to deal with the license holders
The ARU is disorganised
The states have robust political competition and don't give a fuck about each other -
Yeah it would be bad for Aus rugby. They would have to create a Wallabies side from GRR and SR but have no control over the competitions
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As well, we will also be working with Rugby Australia to seek expressions of interest from their current Super clubs and other interested parties to join the competition and that work will begin in earnestHow likely is this scenario?
- ARU says 5 clubs or 0 clubs
- NSW, Queensland, Brumbies etc apply for licenses anyway
- ARU can't stop them
- NZR is in control of the competition and just has to deal with the license holders
The ARU is disorganised
The states have robust political competition and don't give a fuck about each other -
@Duluth Very unlikely. States won't ditch RA, it effectively would be a mutiny. For all the Board turmoil, things are pretty united right now.
And I really doubt RA would go down a '5 teams or zero' road.
@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
And I really doubt RA would go down a '5 teams or zero' road.
It would be unwise, but they do have seem to have that reputation.
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@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Duluth Ouch, I'd hope not. I'd rather an amicable arrangement that helps both Unions
I think it will get to that eventually. Oz will propose all five teams, NZ will say nope, Oz will either say ok or twiggy will bankroll the entire WA entry including getting NZ teams there, then hopefully they both agree to ditch the PI team.
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The way this is unfolding, I'd prefer a Super Ten with five teams each from NZ and Australia. If Australia can't sort it's shit out and four or five of their sides are consistently just fodder for the NZ squads, then so be it. I just hope the Aussie viewers don't mind if they don't have any semi-finalists year on year. But I want to see a full round robin or home and away RR. None of this conference bullshit which only serves to unfairly advantage poor Australian squads. Nine rounds and a bye week is too brief. With finals that's not even a three month comp. Double RR with two bye rounds is 22 weeks or a little more than five months. Mid Feb to late July.
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As well, we will also be working with Rugby Australia to seek expressions of interest from their current Super clubs and other interested parties to join the competition and that work will begin in earnestHow likely is this scenario?
- ARU says 5 clubs or 0 clubs
- NSW, Queensland, Brumbies etc apply for licenses anyway
- ARU can't stop them
- NZR is in control of the competition and just has to deal with the license holders
The ARU is disorganised
The states have robust political competition and don't give a fuck about each other -
The way this is unfolding, I'd prefer a Super Ten with five teams each from NZ and Australia. If Australia can't sort it's shit out and four or five of their sides are consistently just fodder for the NZ squads, then so be it. I just hope the Aussie viewers don't mind if they don't have any semi-finalists year on year. But I want to see a full round robin or home and away RR. None of this conference bullshit which only serves to unfairly advantage poor Australian squads. Nine rounds and a bye week is too brief. With finals that's not even a three month comp. Double RR with two bye rounds is 22 weeks or a little more than five months. Mid Feb to late July.
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
The way this is unfolding, I'd prefer a Super Ten with five teams each from NZ and Australia. If Australia can't sort it's shit out and four or five of their sides are consistently just fodder for the NZ squads, then so be it. I just hope the Aussie viewers don't mind if they don't have any semi-finalists year on year.
The thing is - the Aussie viewers do mind.
And so do the NZ viewers - there's plenty of entertainment value in watching the Crusaders pump yet another Aussie team, but it's not compelling viewing.
We need to get back to something like Super 12, where everyone was competitive most years - or SH rugby will die on the vine. Oz appears already to be in deep shit and if they topple, we're left open to being picked off by NH. We can't afford charity teams like the Force. Tbh I've no idea how they'll afford a Pacifika team, but presumably someone has a plan.
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I love how in this debate all Australian teams have become 'cannon fodder', rather than the reality of 1-2 really good sides, 1-2 middling sides and 1-2 poor sides like us AND SA have been pretty much every year.
@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I love how in this debate all Australian teams have become 'cannon fodder', rather than the reality of 1-2 really good sides, 1-2 middling sides and 1-2 poor sides like us AND SA have been pretty much every year.
It is pretty much why super rugby wasn't "super" anymore. Over expanded and reduced the quality.
The powers that be and covid might be on track to fix that.
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@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I love how in this debate all Australian teams have become 'cannon fodder', rather than the reality of 1-2 really good sides, 1-2 middling sides and 1-2 poor sides like us AND SA have been pretty much every year.
It is pretty much why super rugby wasn't "super" anymore. Over expanded and reduced the quality.
The powers that be and covid might be on track to fix that.
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@Snowy the new TT comp is going to bring back the 120+ Australian professional rugby players playing in Europe and Japan? because that's the primary issue.
@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Snowy the new TT comp is going to bring back the 120+ Australian professional rugby players playing in Europe and Japan? because that's the primary issue.
If that happens, then sure, more quality, depth and room for a greater number of teams.
How many of them are actually any good? Past it? Will they stay post covid?
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@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I love how in this debate all Australian teams have become 'cannon fodder', rather than the reality of 1-2 really good sides, 1-2 middling sides and 1-2 poor sides like us AND SA have been pretty much every year.
It is pretty much why super rugby wasn't "super" anymore. Over expanded and reduced the quality.
The powers that be and covid might be on track to fix that.
@Snowy said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I love how in this debate all Australian teams have become 'cannon fodder', rather than the reality of 1-2 really good sides, 1-2 middling sides and 1-2 poor sides like us AND SA have been pretty much every year.
It is pretty much why super rugby wasn't "super" anymore. Over expanded and reduced the quality.
The powers that be and covid might be on track to fix that.
Yep!
How many of the expansion teams ever made the play-offs?
The Jaguares did.
I think the Cheetahs might have once.
Pretty sure none of the Force, Rebels, Southern Kings or Sunwolves ever did.
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@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
The way this is unfolding, I'd prefer a Super Ten with five teams each from NZ and Australia. If Australia can't sort it's shit out and four or five of their sides are consistently just fodder for the NZ squads, then so be it. I just hope the Aussie viewers don't mind if they don't have any semi-finalists year on year.
The thing is - the Aussie viewers do mind.
And so do the NZ viewers - there's plenty of entertainment value in watching the Crusaders pump yet another Aussie team, but it's not compelling viewing.
We need to get back to something like Super 12, where everyone was competitive most years - or SH rugby will die on the vine. Oz appears already to be in deep shit and if they topple, we're left open to being picked off by NH. We can't afford charity teams like the Force. Tbh I've no idea how they'll afford a Pacifika team, but presumably someone has a plan.
@Chris-B said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
The way this is unfolding, I'd prefer a Super Ten with five teams each from NZ and Australia. If Australia can't sort it's shit out and four or five of their sides are consistently just fodder for the NZ squads, then so be it. I just hope the Aussie viewers don't mind if they don't have any semi-finalists year on year.
The thing is - the Aussie viewers do mind.
And so do the NZ viewers - there's plenty of entertainment value in watching the Crusaders pump yet another Aussie team, but it's not compelling viewing.
We need to get back to something like Super 12, where everyone was competitive most years - or SH rugby will die on the vine. Oz appears already to be in deep shit and if they topple, we're left open to being picked off by NH. We can't afford charity teams like the Force. Tbh I've no idea how they'll afford a Pacifika team, but presumably someone has a plan.
That was a rhetorical statement re the Aussie viewers. Of course they'd mind, but if the ARU is going to cave and push for five teams then they'll have to be prepared to suffer as a result. The Force squad is piss poor and if the meagre talent among the other four teams is further dispersed then there'll be some ugly results for Aussie fans.
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@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Snowy the new TT comp is going to bring back the 120+ Australian professional rugby players playing in Europe and Japan? because that's the primary issue.
If that happens, then sure, more quality, depth and room for a greater number of teams.
How many of them are actually any good? Past it? Will they stay post covid?
@Snowy there are loads of quality players in that list, many who would walk into the Wallabies. Sean McMahon, Skelton (European champion), Arnold x 2, Kerevi, Latu, etc etc. They may not all be test standard but the depth they would add to SR's would be huge and the player drain is the primary reason Australian rugby has slumped over the past 5 years.
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@Snowy said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I love how in this debate all Australian teams have become 'cannon fodder', rather than the reality of 1-2 really good sides, 1-2 middling sides and 1-2 poor sides like us AND SA have been pretty much every year.
It is pretty much why super rugby wasn't "super" anymore. Over expanded and reduced the quality.
The powers that be and covid might be on track to fix that.
Yep!
How many of the expansion teams ever made the play-offs?
The Jaguares did.
I think the Cheetahs might have once.
Pretty sure none of the Force, Rebels, Southern Kings or Sunwolves ever did.
@Chris-B said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
The Jaguares did.
They were always going to. A strong national side and one team. A shame that Japan couldn't get there too because they really should have, but I guess the domestic competition countered it.
